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Old 04-18-2013, 09:27 PM   #31
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He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires

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You've never heard of a vehicle sliding down an icy inclined driveway? Even with snow tires how do you get traction on solid ice? Put a vehicle on my driveway when it has an inch of wet snow on it (ice-forget about it), put it in park and it'll slide down. Whether it's an Audi or a Hummer. It's physics. Depending on how steep it is, it'll happen. Stood on my icy driveway in Feb... fell on my butt. Steep and slippery is a bad combination.

Not sure what my angle is, but I've slid down it many times. When I had a 2wd pickup, it was an adventure to say the least.
I know the physics behind it. Snow reduces friction and makes it easier to slide. I've just personally never heard of someone's car sliding after it already came to a complete stop. Obviously I've slide down a snowy hill when trying to stop but once I stopped completely I never slide after.

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He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires
So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.
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He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires
It's about the incline... wet snow and ice are almost the same when it's steep. Winter tires or whatever you run. I've slid down my driveway many times. I've had friends park in my driveway and their vehicle started sliding... so take it for what you will. It's not the tires, it's the incline.
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So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.
My driveway, yes. When I stand at the foot of my driveway, my garage floor is at eye level. That's about 5.5 feet of elevation (short driveway too). That incline will make you slide on wet snow. 5" of powder, you are fine. Getting up it in 4x4 or fwd isn't a problem, it's when you park it.
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So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.

It did well in powered snow but was real bad in wet snow to be snow rated. I also had trouble on inclines in slushy mud. Went back to MT/R's because of this and a non snow rated tire did better in the exact same situation and a whole lot better in mud. I live back off the main road on a old logging road. It is up and down for a half mile to my house. I needed tires that could make it to my house no matter the weather and the Duratrac's just couldn't do it. I know many love them but I wasn't one of them after having tried several other tires that did better. I shouldn't have to get out as a disabled veteran and lower my tire pressure just to get home then have to air up again.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:56 PM   #37
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My driveway, yes. When I stand at the foot of my driveway, my garage floor is at eye level. That's about 5.5 feet of elevation (short driveway too). That incline will make you slide on wet snow. 5" of powder, you are fine. Getting up it in 4x4 or fwd isn't a problem, it's when you park it.
My driveway is exactly the same. It is a little longer than a car and when I stand at the bottom the garage might be over my head. I did slide a lot going down but never when already at a stop. My GF's Camry is terrible in the snow and she never slid either. Hopefully it never happens because I would hit a fire hydrant lol

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It did well in powered snow but was real bad in wet snow to be snow rated. I also had trouble on inclines in slushy mud. Went back to MT/R's because of this and a non snow rated tire did better in the exact same situation and a whole lot better in mud. I live back off the main road on a old logging road. It is up and down for a half mile to my house. I needed tires that could make it to my house no matter the weather and the Duratrac's just couldn't do it. I know many love them but I wasn't one of them after having tried several other tires that did better. I shouldn't have to get out as a disabled veteran and lower my tire pressure just to get home then have to air up again.
Well Duratrac's might not be what I want then. I need good snow tires living in New England.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:11 PM   #38
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We have a sloped concrete driveway, not hugely sloped (we live in a neighborhood), but more than mild. We've had four cars in this house, and in the Denver winters I have never had this happen until this 2012 Sport: When I back out of the garage after a snow of a few inches or less, and I brake on the driveway to be sure the garage door goes down in front of me, the Jeep slides down the driveway! Two days ago, after a couple inches of wet snow, I tried to make it up the driveway (in 2WD) and stopped briefly and the Jeep started sliding down while in drive. I couldn't get back up without a running start (again, 2WD).

I have to be very careful because we have a brick mailbox at the foot of the driveway, and the Jeep is parked on that side. So if I turn the wheel and it slides an an angle I could hit the mail box.

None of our other cars do this. You stop on the driveway, the cars stay put in any weather excepy solid ice. The Jeep worries me because if I get caught in snow on a hill and have to stop, will I slide backwards? Is it because the Wrangler is so light? For reference, I have 2012, 2-door Sport Wrangler. Bought new Duratracs last year, and Jeep has < 4K miles on it.
Because in 2wd your front tires are free and the rear is very light, Thus do not have the extra weight of the motor and stuff on the locked wheels like you will in a front wheel drive.
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Txrdstr is right on. Parking brake works on the rear wheels, I believe. And in 2wd, even if you have it in gear or park, it'll only lock the rear wheels. There's no weight back there, so less grip. I would bet if you put it in 4wd when parked and left it in gear/park, you wouldn't slide at all.
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Just a sipe/no-sipe comparison between the stock Rubi BFG's (not KM2's), and the siped Sahara Bridgestone's. It just shows a big reason why stock Sahara tires grip better than stock Rubi's on compacted snow and ice.

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Well Duratrac's might not be what I want then. I need good snow tires living in New England.
Don't count them out. I'm no Goodyear fan by any measure, but the Duratracs for me, 265/70-17, have been excellent in everything the Michigan UP, Canada, and the big sinkhole in the midwest othewise known as Chicago has thrown my way -- slimy mud, ice, snow, rain. Best year round AT tire I've ever run and I've run a lot of tires over the years on my trucks. If I could get Duratracs in 275/50-20 I'd run them on my GC too. However, almost everything else by Goodyear that I've had -- #%$&@.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:11 AM   #42
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Don't count them out. I'm no Goodyear fan by any measure, but the Duratracs for me, 265/70-17, have been excellent in everything the Michigan UP, Canada, and the big sinkhole in the midwest othewise known as Chicago has thrown my way -- slimy mud, ice, snow, rain. Best year round AT tire I've ever run and I've run a lot of tires over the years on my trucks. If I could get Duratracs in 275/50-20 I'd run them on my GC too. However, almost everything else by Goodyear that I've had -- #%$&@.
Well that is good to know. I have the stock 25575/17 rubi tires. I believe they are bfgoodrich mud terrain km. I like them a lot. They worked great during the snow storms we got in Rhode Island this year.

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