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Old 05-10-2013, 01:20 PM   #31
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Way too many people have never learned what "assume" does to you and me!!!!!!! And they then "assume" that the oil level is OK!!!!
My understanding of the word ASSUME, IS THAT IT MAKES A ASS OUT OF YOU AND ME!

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A few of the latest vehicles don't have a dipstick.

Why The Dipstick Is Dying

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See now this makes no sense. No one says you have to check oil because you have a bad engine Or you shouldn't have to check because its a new vehicle.
What if you have an oil change and the filter leaks? or the tech forgets to put oil or the drain plug in..
What if you catch a rock in the oil pan and it creates a leak?
What if you rupture a transmission line or tranny pan?
What if you take a stone in the rad?

Are you going to wait til something fails before you check your fluid levels.

WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS IS COMMON SENSE AND RESPONSIBLE VEHICLE OWNERSHIP!!!!
Why get upset? As long as you and I are checking our fluids on a regular basis, no need to worry about what others do or don't do.
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why get upset? As long as you and i are checking our fluids on a regular basis, no need to worry about what others do or don't do.
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Old 05-10-2013, 02:19 PM   #35
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08 JKU was my first new vehicle, after about 50 vehicles. Changed oil faithfully every 3-5,000 miles. After 40,000 miles started burning a qt every 1,200-2,000 miles. At 82,000 miles I had enough and I am taking a chance on the new engine in a 13 JKU.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:03 PM   #36
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See now this makes no sense. No one says you have to check oil because you have a bad engine Or you shouldn't have to check because its a new vehicle.
What if you have an oil change and the filter leaks? or the tech forgets to put oil or the drain plug in..
What if you catch a rock in the oil pan and it creates a leak?
What if you rupture a transmission line or tranny pan?
What if you take a stone in the rad?

Are you going to wait til something fails before you check your fluid levels.

WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS IS COMMON SENSE AND RESPONSIBLE VEHICLE OWNERSHIP!!!!
I'd like to entertain these examples and don't mean to sound like a smartass. A couple of them are likely catastrophic failures that will occur while you're driving, especially the tech forgetting to reinstall the drain bolt. Your engine is likely molten slag before its out of the bay... Not letting a minimum wage mechanic work on my vehicles is the way I avoid that scenario.

The other things are going easily be discovered by smoke/steam, since they imply them occurring while the vehicle is moving or they are going to leave an obvious puddle on the ground by the time you return to a vehicle that has been parked.

I'm not advocating not checking your oil, but I also don't feel any of your scenarios are great examples of a problem that will be averted by checking it.
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08 JKU was my first new vehicle, after about 50 vehicles. Changed oil faithfully every 3-5,000 miles. After 40,000 miles started burning a qt every 1,200-2,000 miles. At 82,000 miles I had enough and I am taking a chance on the new engine in a 13 JKU.
My experience so far, subject to change, is that if you break in the Pentastar 3.6 per the factory recommendations and use a good quality 5W20, or 5W30 weight oil, then the 3.6 seems to be a very dry engine.
I don't know why you had such a bad experience on your 3.8 with oil consumption, other than some of them just seem to have a tendency to use some oil.
The only other suggestion that I can make to you is to make sure that you keep your air intake/induction system clamps tight and change your air filter when needed. If silicon/dirt enters into your intake from a leaky induction system, then in time it will build up in your oil and your internal engine parts such as rings and cylinder walls will wear excessively and it will start to use some oil.
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Speaking of new technologies. My friends mom just bought a new A4. The thing is burning over a quart a month and the dealer is trying to claim it as normal. That's a perpetual oil change at that point. Just screw a new filter on every 10k and just keep adding oil
My '13 JKU hasn't burned a drop in 12,000 miles. But my wife has a 2007 VW with the 2.0 engine (same engine as Audi A4) That sucker burns a quart about every 3-4K miles, and it has done so, since new.
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I have yet to have a newer car use any oil between changes.

That said, I usually check mine every 1,000 miles out of curiosity....
you obviously did not own a 2007, or 2008 Jk....lol
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What is oil & how do you check for it?





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I'm not advocating not checking your oil, but I also don't feel any of your scenarios are great examples of a problem that will be averted by checking it.
Then you haven't been around long enough.
I've seen vehicles get a mile from quick lube before the engine packed in.
An oil leak from a cracked oil pan so minimal that it would take 2 weeks to loose a quart.
A pin hole in a rad from a stone strike or a slight leak from a thermostat ..
A drippy tranny line or leaking pan.
All of these minor things can cause a catastrophic failure if they are not caught, yet don't allows have telltale signs.
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what is oil & how do you check for it? 1

It is the missing liquid that you had hoped for, when the connecting rod ventilated the side of your engine block! You can now call your engine air cooled............O, I forgot to mention that air cooling comes at a high cost, it's called a expensive learning lesson! Enjoy!!!!!!!:r ofl:





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Old 05-11-2013, 05:01 AM   #43
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My understanding of the word ASSUME, IS THAT IT MAKES A ASS OUT OF YOU AND ME!
Give this man a Blue Ribbon!!!!!!
Any mechanical device is just that---- a mechanical device! And an engine is no different; except OIL is its LIFE BLOOD! With out it, your engine DIES... PERIOD. And any engine is subject to failure at any given time, I.E. Something CAN go wrong, and start to use oil at any time. And there is only one way to KNOW what the oil level is, and that is to check the oil level. When the engines all go to some form of electronically checking the level... fine; but until then..............................
After that, It is your engine. ef it up any way you want.
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you obviously did not own a 2007, or 2008 Jk....lol
I own a 2008 never burned or leaked any detectsble amount
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Why aren't I in the habit of checking my oil frequently? Because I owned thirteen vehicles before my Jeep that never needed oil between changes.
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Why aren't I in the habit of checking my oil frequently? Because I owned thirteen vehicles before my Jeep that never needed oil between changes.
I read this as "that never needed oil changes" lol
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I own a 2008 never burned or leaked any detectsble amount
What do you contribute as to why, you are successful in the fact that your 3.8 doesn't use any detectable amount of oil and yet we hear from so many others that do?

Was there a engine serial number range where they were dry and or used a lot of oil? I wonder if they changed the oil ring configuration at some time in the 3.8 build cycle?
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The 710 cap... Is that what I'm looking for ?
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Wait, wait, wait...oil? Our engines use oil? So, I'm not meant to be filling up my car wash bucket at the sink and pouring that in there? I thought it was supposed to help keep the engine clean.

Sheesh, next you'll tell me I cannot just stuff a rag in the spot where the filter goes.
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Then you haven't been around long enough.
I've seen vehicles get a mile from quick lube before the engine packed in.
An oil leak from a cracked oil pan so minimal that it would take 2 weeks to loose a quart.
A pin hole in a rad from a stone strike or a slight leak from a thermostat ..
A drippy tranny line or leaking pan.
All of these minor things can cause a catastrophic failure if they are not caught, yet don't allows have telltale signs.
I'm about as likely to take my vehicles to a Jiffy Lube as I am to go visit a crack house, so yea, I guess I haven't been around long enough.

I'm not saying I don't check fluids, but if there is even a quarter sized puddle of anything I own, I'd likely see it before I caught it checking fluids on the dipstick/catch bottle.

The 3.8's seem to have a propensity for just burning oil, that is very uncommon in a modern vehicle and also seems to just start occurring at random. If you look at the pattern, sometimes they are run for 30k without using a drop, then start burning a quart every thousand miles. You could call it complacency I guess, but I can see how it'd be easy not to catch something like that.
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What do you contribute as to why, you are successful in the fact that your 3.8 doesn't use any detectable amount of oil and yet we hear from so many others that do?

Was there a engine serial number range where they were dry and or used a lot of oil? I wonder if they changed the oil ring configuration at some time in the 3.8 build cycle?
There was a run of 3.8s that were made in Mexico that had the piston rings installed incorrectly. This was a very small percentage of 3.8 s manufactured, but of course we only hear of the 3.8s with problems. I have an 08 with 135,000 that doesn't burn oil.
As for theses 3.8 s being worse then other vehicles. Check the other vehicle forums GM, VW, Ford, they all have their problems will oil burners and all seem to say the same that 1 quart/1000 miles is acceptable.
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Wait, wait, wait...oil? Our engines use oil? So, I'm not meant to be filling up my car wash bucket at the sink and pouring that in there? I thought it was supposed to help keep the engine clean.

Sheesh, next you'll tell me I cannot just stuff a rag in the spot where the filter goes.
A rag is one option, but a better one is toilet paper, you know the soft gussy kind that you get from Costco. Its guaranteed to plug up the oil galley's and stop engines from using oil! Costco always guarantee's success with all of the products that they sell. TRY IT, YOU MAY LIKE IT...........
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My junk Highlander burned oil. When I traded it for the Wrangler I just kept in the habit.
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The 710 cap... Is that what I'm looking for ?
O, come on now, with over 22,000 posts, you are the old PRO! If anybody knows the answer to these question, you do, but everybody needs a update from time to time!
I tried to answer some of these questions already that another member asked, but obviously I didn't do a very good job. See my Alzheimer's acts up from time to time so please forgive me!
UPDATE AS FOLLOWS: Question, what is oil and where do you check for it?
Oil is a black smelly, slimy, slippery, wet, substance called CRUDE.
Now where do you check for it? Texas is Awful hot this time of the year, so I would recommend a state called Alaska. I have been their may times and it is a beautiful place to visit. As you seek out your search as to where do you find it, they refer to this area as a oil exploration site. Just look for those tall machines, by the way they call them DRILL RIGS. You will know that your final destination is close when you see them. You may even luck out and have a GRIZZLY BEAR offer you a hand or two (2).

As for your final question the 710 cap? That may have something to do with the new Obama Health care plan, but I'm really not sure, because of my quest for knowledge pertaining to this subject, well everybody seems lost.............

I hope that you enjoy your Alaska Exploration!
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O, come on now, with over 22,000 posts, you are the old PRO! If anybody knows the answer to these question, you do, but everybody needs a update from time to time!
I tried to answer some of these questions already that another member asked, but obviously I didn't do a very good job. See my Alzheimer's acts up from time to time so please forgive me!
UPDATE AS FOLLOWS: Question, what is oil and where do you check for it?
Oil is a black smelly, slimy, slippery, wet, substance called CRUDE.
Now where do you check for it? Texas is Awful hot this time of the year, so I would recommend a state called Alaska. I have been their may times and it is a beautiful place to visit. As you seek out your search as to where do you find it, they refer to this area as a oil exploration site. Just look for those tall machines, by the way they call them DRILL RIGS. You will know that your final destination is close when you see them. You may even luck out and have a GRIZZLY BEAR offer you a hand or two (2).

As for your final question the 710 cap? That may have something to do with the new Obama Health care plan, but I'm really not sure, because of my quest for knowledge pertaining to this subject, well everybody seems lost.............

I hope that you enjoy your Alaska Exploration!
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The 710 cap... Is that what I'm looking for ?
Yep, but 710 caps are usually hard to find at autoparts stores. Just get a OIL cap and turn it 180 degrees before you put it on.

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