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Old 10-09-2012, 04:17 PM   #61
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AEV is screaming your name. I think the 2.5 dual sport will work great for you

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AEV is quality and I've rarely seen an AEV product that doesn't inspire confidence. If the lift is for looks and for some lighter duty trails, why not a 2.5" AEV with 33" duratracs. The duratrac is a light tire and should give you plenty of flex and performance as well as good looks. A shiny, clean 35" always evokes the . It's like having boob implants and still having a wrinkled-handbag of a face. It just doesn't work...

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This thread has a lot of great information, however at some point your the only one that can make the correct decision. (What will work for your needs and fit your budget)

When I bought my Jeep (2012 2dr JK Sport) I could not wait to lift it, put big tires on it ..etc. I spent quite a while doing my homework, reading, and research, prior to me pulling the trigger. I went Tera Flex, and Fox, along with a set of Rubi take-offs. I scoured the web in search of the best prices and ended up going through a local shop here in Ca. I studied the manual and installed the lift myself without a hitch. I saved a lot of money doing it myself as well.

I now have the lift I wanted, and the Jeep looks good. I still don't have the 35" tires and wheels on there, and to be honest, for now, I am glad I didn't end up buying them. The jump to 35's meant doing it right and that meant gussets and possibly sleeves, along with the added wear and tear on joints and bushings. I just wasn't going to spend the extra $3k for the "look". I also am saving money at the pump without those 35's. I have had trucks in the past with both 33's and 35's and will tell you first hand, they look cool but I always had some regret about the cost to cool factor.

When my wife and I off road it's usually easy to moderate trails, a little mud and hills, not rock crawling. I have yet to encounter a trail or hill etc that I actually wanted to do, but didn't feel the Jeep could handle it. I love my Jeep, I want to enjoy it, I don't want to destroy it. When you said 95%-5% on road to off road driving, I could not help but think about my situation with having over sized tires to deal with. Is the cool look really worth the money? I look at it like.. "I can take a 3-4 extra Jeep vacations (camping/off roading trips) a year, with the money I saved by sticking with 32" tires (Rubicon Stocks)". For me personally it's just didn't add up to be a great investment. I can't however speak for you, and if it's that important to you. then by all means, go for it.


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35" Tire/Wheel Concerns:

1. Am I going to snap/bend axles or damage any other parts because of the added weight/rolling resistance? In other threads, I read about possible issues from running 35" tires and wheels.

2. If the answer to question #1 is "Yes," what do I need to replace/upgrade so I can safely and reliably run 35" tires and wheels?

3. What would be the optimal wheel size I should go with? I wanna clear the brake rotors and get that "pushed out" look for the wheels, but I DO NOT want to run spacers. They're something more to break and simply put, I've never heard ANYTHING good about spacers.

Don't know if you would bend axles or your C's but I didn't want to take a chance when the cost was minimal to have Evo Offroad parts put on mine. Just finished the add on's yesterday. Evo Offroad axle shafts and gussets for the C's. Came out very nice. Cost campared to having to replace shafts or c's, minimal.
Tire size: I put BFG KM2 35x12.5x15's on mine with MB TKO 15X8 5-139.7-19MTB and love them. Have to admit, as soon as the lift and tires went on, the mpg's went down about 2.5 to somewhere's around 13-14. Hope this helps somewhat.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:18 AM   #65
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Lift Kit Concerns:

1. First, if it's made in China, don't even suggest it. Right off the bat, I'm pretty sure that's gonna exclude Skyjacker, Rough Country, Rancho, Terra-Flex, ProComp, Rubicon Express, and who knows what else. No offense to people who are using these lifts, and if you've had good luck with them, that's great, but I don't trust ANYTHING made in China.

To make a long story short, if it isn't a lift made in the USA (other than Old Man Emu), I won't even consider it, so you're wasting your time.

Right now, the ones I'm looking at the closest are the 2.5" lifts from Rock Krawler, AEV, and Old Man Emu.

- I've heard of some issues with the Rock Krawler stuff being tough to set up and correctly locate axles, and then there are rubbing issues I've heard of.

When I first got my jeep, I was about to have a mopar stage 3 lift put on. With the help of a couple of people on here, I made a diff decision and went ahead and got the 2.5 max travel kit from RK. Money well spent. I love it. Me and a buddy of mine put it on. The directions, in my opinion, are for shit. They get you going and then you have to figure it out. Me and my buddy spent 7 straight hours working on mine with no breaks. I have no prior experience with lifts and he has some. We had a lift and all the air tools you could want. The one good part about the directions are, they tell you how long the control arms are supposed to be and that was the most important part for me. There will most likely be some drilling that you don't expect but I guess that come with the territory when installing a lift for the first time. The only rubbing I have at this time is when the front tires are turned all the way to either side, the plastic dam gets hit by them. Not a problem. I can trim that up. Just did 400 mile round trip yesterday to Austin and back and the ride is better than stock and that is with the 35in KM2's on there. I would do the Rk lift all over again if given the choice. Forgot to mention the first time that the shocks I went with were the Fox 2.0's. They were recommended by Jason at Krawl off road and they seem to be great. Not mushy at all and take the curves very well. Anyways, hope this helps. RG
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The only rubbing I have at this time is when the front tires are turned all the way to either side, the plastic dam gets hit by them. Not a problem. I can trim that up.
Same here. I trimmed them after adding the 35's recently. It's fine on road, but still rubs a bit off. I plan on removing the air dam completely this weekend.
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FYI the Rancho lifts are made in the USA.

Rancho is owned by Tennico. Tennico makes the factory Rubicon shocks that you are already running.

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Anyone running anything beefed up rather then lifted? I was thinking of going that route since I dd but looking for some moderate weekending at like rausch creek or something... Just wanted to see what anyones running.
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I almost always ask, when refering to mods; What obstical are you having trouble with? I try to suggest mods that help, you know.

If your not having trouble getting over something without bottoming out, why lift?
If your not having a ton of tire spin climbing hills, why add lockers?
If your happy with a soft top, why add a hard top?

It can get so confusing just saying "to lift it or not lift it". I like your realistic approach to things for sure. I've been wanting a winch but I have to say, in three years I've only been stuck twice. In one case, I had no points to winch to anyways and we had to tie 4 straps together to pull me from solid ground. In the second time, I could have used a winch but I was with a group and the jeep in front of me simply threw out a strap and helped me through a really big hole. That being said, how realistic is it that I spend the money on a winch? Yeah, it would look cool. And yeah, I could say I have a winch, but unless I'm out wheeling on my own which I hardly ever do, I don't have enough of a need to justify spending the money. Now on the other hand, I have hinges on my tailgate almost completely wopped out from trail running with my 33" spare on the stock tire carrier. As well, I only have recovery points on the front. I would justify buying a bumper for the back with 2 recovery points and a swing out tire carrier. Its a need, plain and simple.
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What? You've posted 3,574 times and you still haven't lifted yet?
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FYI the Rancho lifts are made in the USA.

Rancho is owned by Tennico. Tennico makes the factory Rubicon shocks that you are already running.

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My rubicon express lift (2.5) might be from china, but it is warrentied forever (4WD) and I shop a Walmart.. There's an American flag on the back of the rig for the guilt endured
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FIRST thing you do CON is drive the Jeep, learn what it can do and what it cannot do that you want to do. you will find that your Jeep will TELL you what it needs to have for you to have fun in it. that will take over a year of wheelin' fun, because it's already pretty good as is.
I have an 09 that I drove with the big boys for 1.5 years before I bought my first part. started with 285/70/17 tires then a RC 2.5 BB lift w/ trk br brackit & rear swaybar links, flashpaq, after 4 years put on Rancho 9000s, in that order.
next year will change out the springs.
I run with the big boys and some times pull them out, I am always amazed to where I can go, I wheel with a smile on my face.
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My rubicon express lift (2.5) might be from china, but it is warrentied forever (4WD) and I shop a Walmart.. There's an American flag on the back of the rig for the guilt endured

Most who are made in the USA also offer a lifetime warranty on their products.

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I JUST lifted (last night) after a year of reading, asking, thinking, and getting frustrated. I do explore remote trails so wanted 35s but also had to beef up. I went with the Rock Krawler X factor. I probably got 4" up front and 3" in the back. For light-duty, you may be better off with AEV. The RK stuff is very beefy. I also replaced both driveshafts, and put sleeves and welded C-gussets, to beef things up. With the RK, you definitely get more lift than 2.5. I kinda like that, in case I go to 37s later. I also like the nitrogen-charged shocks, and will be lowering the pressure a bit to get a smoother ride (my Jeep is light). I am going to Moab tomorrow, and will report back on highway and off-road ride after I'm back.

With AEV, you will likely not need driveshafts for 35s, but I would sleeve and do the c-gussets...maybe $600 total parts and labor.
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Yeah, I do make things tougher on myself than they need to be, I'll admit to that.

Basically, to put it in the simplest terms I possibly can, I want to keep the factory level of performance/reliability, and I want all the factory parts to work in harmony with the mods, such as the electronic Swaybar Disconnect. I just want my Jeep to be on big tires and have a little bit of a lift.

If I have to add gussets, that's fine, but I don't need to build Big Foot here. I'd like to do fire trails and drive over tree trunks, take it out in the mud, snow, and what have you. I'd even like to take it through some shallow streams, but I don't have ANY interest in EVER crawling through another rock bed if I can avoid it, but if I do wind up having to, I'd like to be able to.

Basically, I want to get a complete lift kit where I don't have to add anything, and wheels/tires. I don't wanna go off having something installed, then all of a sudden, "Oh, you need relocation brackets because the kit didn't come with them!"
I am same position as you. Fully agree with everything you have posted and will probably do the same as you !
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If I may be so bold...

I think you have a decision making issue, more than a mod issue. After 2 years and 2,000 posts, if you can't make a decision without the input of the internet, you're probably doomed before you even get started.
That's right ! I installed the Rk 3.5 kit and exhaust spacers and Billstein shocks myself , w/ 35"mtz tires on my 13 jku . Then I went wheeling, lightly at first to "test the water" . Now it's HARD CORE, the stock bumpers are the only components to see any damage and they are on the next mod list!
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I couldn't disagree more. Everybody and their brother is hawking parts for Jeeps as if they are absolutely necessary. Not all lifts are created equal; some brands are known for sagging springs. Not all control arms are created equal and feature cheap bushings. And so on. With a forum like this, the OP can take notes and ask questions as to "what do I really need", "what works and what doesn't", etc. Eliminates the trial and error.

Don't know about you but I hate throwing good money after bad. Since I got back into Jeeps I have taken tons of notes from the members on here who are suspension knowledgeable. My research paid off when it came time to lift. One shot, one kill. Without the internet or this forum a lot of guesswork would have been involved.

Props to the OP for asking!
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Confucius say "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

At some point you will have to just pull the trigger.
Amen , I researched for about 3 weeks , after my local 4wd shop tried to sell me a kit I didn't want. I got a killer deal from AOR on a RK lift and shocks.
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My question is....Is it OK if the machine that is making the USA lift kit is from China?

In other words, just subscribing. Good luck.

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Great thread guys!! Im taking notes and have already changed my game plan bc of this thread. Keep the info coming
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I am pretty much sold on the AEV kit as 99% on-road will describe me for sure. My only concern is that if I decide to get more into off-roading or do it seriously even once or twice is everything going to break? I assume not but it seems many of the serious wheelers choose different kits. Anyone fairly serious use AEV?
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I am pretty much sold on the AEV kit as 99% on-road will describe me for sure. My only concern is that if I decide to get more into off-roading or do it seriously even once or twice is everything going to break? I assume not but it seems many of the serious wheelers choose different kits. Anyone fairly serious use AEV?
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Thanks! This is all it really takes for me to decide.
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It's the AEV drop brackets that worry folks because they hang lower. I run the brackets with RK coils. Although I have not taken the jeep off road, these brackets are pretty strong. Stronger then the factory CA mounts.
As far as performance, the stock Ca Bushings should hold up Just fine. Unless you are really pushing them with longer shocks.
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So... did the OP ever do anything or just give up after a few years of research?
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Thanks to the OP. I fit that "ordering a Jeep and excited about it" group. Nothing wrong with getting information before diving into it. That being said, I have to agree with the people who said that installing the lift yourself is beneficial. All the Jeepers I know offered to help me install my lift when the Jeep comes in because if something goes wrong on a trail, and you don't know how to fix it, you may be SOL. Don't want to be that NOOB with no clue about his rig!
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