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Old 10-09-2011, 04:46 PM   #1
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Why is it hard to find a manual trans 2012 Wrangler?

I'm in the market for a 2012 Wrangler, either Sport S or Sahara. I want to get the 6-speed manual, not automatic. However, it seems like only 1 in 8Wranglers available are manual transmission. Anyone know why this is? Is it because they are in high demand and bought quickly? Or is it the opposite - most people want automatics so Jeep doesn't make many manuals? Either way, it is frustrating, because it seems like every dealer in my area has 1 or 2 manuals, at most, so my choices of color, options, etc will be very limited. Thanks in advance for the help!

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Why not order it exactly the way you want it
Dealers are always more incentivized to move existing floorplan than they are to order something to spec. But regardless, I was hoping to see if anyone knew anything specific or factual about the limited amount of 6-speeds out there. Just curious to know if it is a) some sort of manual transmission shortage in the supply chain, b) high demand for manuals leading to minimal availability at the dealers, c) limited production due to small buyer demand for manuals, etc
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Dealers are always more incentivized to move existing floorplan than they are to order something to spec.
Well yes and no, if its a done deal and you use an affiliate program they are just as happy to move something that they know they will not have to sit on. After all were talking brand new stuff here not something that has been on floorplan forever.
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Lots of manuals on the forum, me included.

But anyway, you should join treadlightly so you get 1% to 2% below invoice no haggling required. Then just order what you want.
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Seams to me more and more are going auto. A jeep to me- is a manual. I do see what you mean. If somebody was looking for a used Tj, 1-10 are manuals not so much with the jk. Different type of person buying them. Gonna be slim pickings come used time in the future, unless you order new like others are saying
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Old 10-09-2011, 06:31 PM   #7
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It's just that if it's a dealer ordered vehicle they are less inclined to order a manual, given that most buyers who walk in and test drive will want an auto due to a lot of factors; multi driver families, conveinance and, yes, there are a lot of mall crawlers out there which is fine. Then, there is a specific group that believe hard core off roading is "better" with an auto. I don't agree but there are pros and cons for both. (This is not an auto vs manual argument). If you don't see what you like don't settle. Order what you want. We did and it was a manual. It comes down to personal preference with this age old debate.
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Dealers are always more incentivized to move existing floorplan than they are to order something to spec. But regardless, I was hoping to see if anyone knew anything specific or factual about the limited amount of 6-speeds out there. Just curious to know if it is a) some sort of manual transmission shortage in the supply chain, b) high demand for manuals leading to minimal availability at the dealers, c) limited production due to small buyer demand for manuals, etc
Normally yes, 2012's are smokin' hot right now with back logs of orders, so your not getting a deal unless you do as others say and go with Tread Lightly or other program.

As far as the limited availability of manuals, dealers are not ordering them because people are not buying them. The take rate for manuals, according to a buddy who works at the areas largest Jeep dealer, is close to 1 out of 10 sold are manuals. According to him, they only order Rubicons in manuals now.

I highly recommend ordering your own, I did, and it only took about a month to get it.

By the way, I ordered a auto because in my opinion, the new A580 is a better trans than the NSG370 manual. The A580 is being used behind the Hemi V-8's, so I think it will be ok behind the 3.6. I have owned mostly manuals in my life and Jeeps, and prefer them to autos, but I wasn't going to take what I feel is a vastly inferior trans (no facts, just personal opinion upon driving and reviewing tech specs) just so I could have a manual. Kind of like taking a TH400 over a Peugeot BA10.
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Normally yes, 2012's are smokin' hot right now with back logs of orders, so your not getting a deal unless you do as others say and go with Tread Lightly or other program.

As far as the limited availability of manuals, dealers are not ordering them because people are not buying them. The take rate for manuals, according to a buddy who works at the areas largest Jeep dealer, is close to 1 out of 10 sold are manuals. According to him, they only order Rubicons in manuals now.

I highly recommend ordering your own, I did, and it only took about a month to get it.

By the way, I ordered a auto because in my opinion, the new A580 is a better trans than the NSG370 manual. The A580 is being used behind the Hemi V-8's, so I think it will be ok behind the 3.6. I have owned mostly manuals in my life and Jeeps, and prefer them to autos, but I wasn't going to take what I feel is a vastly inferior trans (no facts, just personal opinion upon driving and reviewing tech specs) just so I could have a manual. Kind of like taking a TH400 over a Peugeot BA10.
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Lots of manuals on the forum, me included.

But anyway, you should join treadlightly so you get 1% to 2% below invoice no haggling required. Then just order what you want.
^^^This. That's exactly what I did and mine should be here at the end of next week. They didn't have any on the lot, either, and I had to put $1000 down because they seemed to think that they'd have a hard time moving a 6-speed if I were to change my mind. I don't think they would have, but whatever. At least this way I'll be getting exactly what I want.

Edited to add that the salesman seemed crestfallen when I told him I was looking for a manual, but perked right up again when I told him I already knew they didn't have any and was willing to wait. Thanks to that and the Tread Lightly discount, it was probably one of the easiest sales he's made in a while.
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When I bought my 97 TJ about 75% of the Wranglers on the lot were stick. When I was shopping last spring for a used JK, only 2 out of 22 on the dealers lot were stick.
Fortunately I found a super 08 with the manual trans that I fell in love with.
According to some info I've read, only 15 to 20% of American drivers even know how to drive a stick. Having driven for 40 years I had to learn on one and have driven them all my life..VW Bug. 2 Jeep Cherokees and 2 Wranglers.
Almost all young people learning to drive now learn on an automatic.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:05 PM   #12
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My dealer has had several manuals on their lot. Another reason you don't find them on the lot is money. Selling an auto is an extra $100 or so in the dealer's pocket that they don't have to do anything for and most buyers will just take it instead of waiting on a manual.
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I could barely find any here in las vegas or close by ..and if I did it was bare bones base model...so I just ordered my own exactly how I wanted....well the 2nd time at least...(dang gearing confusion)
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Seems like 95% of Sahara's are automatic, while the Sports seem to be 50/50

I assume they think of the Sahara buyer as buying for the ammenities and the Sport buyer buying more for purpose. Also the stick keeps the Sport cost down, while the Saharas tend to be pretty loaded so the cost factor for Automatic plays less of a roll
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I ordered by stick from the factory btw
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Seams to me more and more are going auto. A jeep to me- is a manual. I do see what you mean. If somebody was looking for a used Tj, 1-10 are manuals not so much with the jk. Different type of person buying them. Gonna be slim pickings come used time in the future, unless you order new like others are saying
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When I bought my 97 TJ about 75% of the Wranglers on the lot were stick. When I was shopping last spring for a used JK, only 2 out of 22 on the dealers lot were stick.
Fortunately I found a super 08 with the manual trans that I fell in love with.
According to some info I've read, only 15 to 20% of American drivers even know how to drive a stick. Having driven for 40 years I had to learn on one and have driven them all my life..VW Bug. 2 Jeep Cherokees and 2 Wranglers.
Almost all young people learning to drive now learn on an automatic.
Yep.

I can imagine the resale for manuals being higher do to the fact they are going to be harder to find. Things have changed--big time. I remember making fun of dudes that drove autos. A Tj auto was a no no
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The answer to the original question is the same as the one in response to the question: "why so many commercials for cialis and viagra".

I keed, I keed.

Truth is, when I went hunting for my Wrangler, I noticed the same thing... which is why when I found my poor, lonesome li'l '11 online with 3.73 gears, manual and air in mango tango... I knew she hzd to come home with me.

To me, shifting gears is part of what makes driving the Wrangler so fun. We have two autos... my wife's Patriot and my Sierra pickup... but my daily driver I replaced was a five speed Subaru.
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The answer to the original question is the same as the one in response to the question: "why so many commercials for cialis and viagra".

I keed, I keed.

Truth is, when I went hunting for my Wrangler, I noticed the same thing... which is why when I found my poor, lonesome li'l '11 online with 3.73 gears, manual and air in mango tango... I knew she hzd to come home with me.

To me, shifting gears is part of what makes driving the Wrangler so fun. We have two autos... my wife's Patriot and my Sierra pickup... but my daily driver I replaced was a five speed Subaru.
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Lots of manuals on the forum, me included.

But anyway, you should join treadlightly so you get 1% to 2% below invoice no haggling required. Then just order what you want.
Here too, I also have a manual. Maybe it is just simply, 2012's were just released (for order) about 2.5 months ago, dealers are trying to move 2011's so not bringing in many 2012's at this point. I agree, just order it the way you want and then go through the waiting game like most if not all of us did. This is just a theory.
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I have seen a couple listed on lots in S California but don't seem to stay there very long. Went to test drive one and when I got there it was gone --- drove a basic Sport Unlimited manual and was impressed.
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Manuals are getting harder to find in anything. I had to search for a while to find a 6 spd rubi 2 door. 2 doors seem to be almost as rare as the manuals, lol. I think its mostly due to the number of drivers not knowing how to drive a manual and the fact that the 2012's have a new auto trans, so it makes a big push to get the auto out there.

Personally after the problems I had with the 5spd auto in my liberty (diesel liberty's came with the 5 spd auto) I'll never own another Chrysler product with an automatic trans.
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Personally after the problems I had with the 5spd auto in my liberty (diesel liberty's came with the 5 spd auto) I'll never own another Chrysler product with an automatic trans.
Ditto on that. Almost $3,000.00 for my wife's auto transmission in her PT Cruiser, I'm cured of autos for a while. Wife loved the patriot that she drove and I insisted she try a manual. First thing I did when we met is teach her to drive my standard truck.

Now for the OPs question: I got 2 standards in an 08. Both were difficult to find. I sat and waited for the first one to come along at the dealer and got it in Nov. of 07. It was a Sahara. When Chrysler bought that one back, I asked for a Rubicon for its replacement. They found what I wanted at a dealership 200 miles away up in New Hampshire. They got it here for me and I've been driving it with a shlt eating grin on my face since I took delivery in August of 08. Point is that if you tell them what you want they may be able to get it from a nearby dealer. They seemed perfectly willing to do what it took to get me what I wanted. Get what you want....and if that happens to be a standard transmission....figure out how to get it done. Don't let the dealer talk you into auto if you want a standard. Best wishes on finding your new jeep.
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Most folks can't drive a manual anymore. i found my 2012 6 xpeed through an internet search. one of the area dealers (50 miles away) had a mess of 12's with manuals on the lot. the nearby local dealer only had one or two JKU's all auto. I too learned on a manual (International Scout 4 cyl 3 speed) and have loved gear jammin ever since. I made the kids learn a manual first then they could buy or get whatever they wanted but they'd never get stranded because they couldn't drive a manual. my wife has a 2011 Liberty with the auto and its ok, i just prefer downshifting than it jumping into passing gear.
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Most folks can't drive a manual anymore. i found my 2012 6 xpeed through an internet search. one of the area dealers (50 miles away) had a mess of 12's with manuals on the lot. the nearby local dealer only had one or two JKU's all auto. I too learned on a manual (International Scout 4 cyl 3 speed) and have loved gear jammin ever since. I made the kids learn a manual first then they could buy or get whatever they wanted but they'd never get stranded because they couldn't drive a manual. my wife has a 2011 Liberty with the auto and its ok, i just prefer downshifting than it jumping into passing gear.
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manual, friend drove it home. He left and I went to town. My uncle at the time--who owned a new Tj--told me learning on a wrangler was really easy because of the low end torque. Slowly let of the clutch and then gas. I was driving around comfortably in a few days and never looked back

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I bought my Yj not knowing how to drive a
manual, friend drove it home. He left and I went to town. My uncle at the time--who owned a new Tj--told me learning on a wrangler was really easy because of the low end torque. Slowly let of the clutch and then gas. I was driving around comfortably in a few days and never looked back

Was going for an auto, and told me "autos
are for p*****s"
there you go..........although you might get a little pushback with your last statement....

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.. a vastly inferior trans (no facts, just personal opinion upon driving and reviewing tech specs)
That's pretty harsh criticism for a 'personal opinion'.

Speaking for those of us that [U]desire[U] a manual transmission I'll happily suffer with it's 'vast inferiority'.
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there you go..........although you might get a little pushback with your last statement....

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I have a 2000 tj. Manuals are defiantly more abundant than the autos. I settled with an auto for two reasons. It was the lowest mileage of any fair priced jeep in the area. And I plan on towing which is more desirable with an auto. It's not that I was against manuals, and I really would love to learn to drive them. (I drove a manual towtruck for a little...that was fun) but the auto just fit my criteria for the moment.
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I found it impossible to find a tan jku sport here in the DC area that WASN'T a manual. There are certainly no shortages of them in this area. I think from what I saw it's about 60/40 in favor of autos here in the DC area on the lots.
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I plan on towing which is more desirable with an auto. It's not that I was against manuals, and I really would love to learn to drive them. (I drove a manual towtruck for a little...that was fun) but the auto just fit my criteria for the moment.
I bought mine specifically for towing. It is a manual. I'd be too concerned about messing up the transmission while towing. The manual is simple and costs less when it screws up. My wife's PT Cruiser towed nothing with an auto transmission and it cost me just about $3000.00 to put a rebuilt in it. My YJ jeep was grinding third. It cost me $150.00 to dump a transmission I picked up on Craig's list into it and all five gears work fine now. The old transmission, if it looks OK when I crack it open will get rebuilt. I hear the JK's have better longevity than the AX5. I'll consider my options if something goes wrong but with an Auto, my options would be limited. I think manual for towing is a safer bet.

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