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Old 09-06-2011, 05:14 PM   #61
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I've never owned an fj but I had a 94 YOTA 4x4 that was the worst vehicle I ever owned. A basket case on wheels. I know 90% of them were built solid, but the day I sold that POS and used the money for a Harley was the happiest day of my life.

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I've never owned an fj but I had a 94 YOTA 4x4 that was the worst vehicle I ever owned. A basket case on wheels. I know 90% of them were built solid, but the day I sold that POS and used the money for a Harley was the happiest day of my life.
It must have really been a piece of crap if the Harley came up better.
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I owned and '07 FJ. It was much more comfortable for my wife than my '10 JKU. Of course we are in our mid 60's. Went to Moab 4 times with the FJ and never had a problem. Got rid of the FJ and got the JK because it was towable. We now tow it behind it behind our Motorhome. The offroad capablilities of the solid axle makes it a much better rock crawler. Personally, I have never tried to take off my hardtop. Don't know how much work is involved. Also would have to find a place to put the top. Also would have to worry about rear view mirrors.
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I actually test drove a fj and found it to be cheap with too much plastic. There is no rear visibility. It did ride nice and have decent power. But I wouldn't trade a brand new fj for my 95 yj. But that's just me.
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Made in America in Toledo, Ohio is one reason. Also the quality ofnthe product made a leap in 2011 and with 2012 the new engine and trans make it top notch..
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Did the quality take a leap or just the amenities and options? They are two separate things.
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It must have really been a piece of crap if the Harley came up better.
People always talk trash about HD. Bikers move from the metric cruisers to HD all the time. You never really see many that go back to metrics. There has to be a reason for that.
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People always talk trash about HD. Bikers move from the metric cruisers to HD all the time. You never really see many that go back to metrics. There has to be a reason for that.
Lots of reasons for that but usually based on other's perceptions and the aftermarket support. Harley has the unique position of having a huge aftermarket system. I have owned both brands of American made big twin motorcycles and found that the Victory had much better build, way more available power for small money, and great handling. The Vic did not have aftermarket support though. I got rid of it and currently ride an 01 BMW GS. This bike has an aftermarket support system that is at Harley levels (but without the chrome) and is recognized as one of the best do it all motorcycles in the world. The accolades were not what made me buy the BMW. It was the ability to be able to ride it on any road I choose to ride on, maintain a decent resale value, and not look like every other clone out there.

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Well I can say this I have owned many 4x4 and my new 2012 two door wrangler 6speed stick is by far the sickest 4x4 machine I have ever owned and the 4:10s are a great plus
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Did the quality take a leap or just the amenities and options? They are two separate things.
Both. 2011 and beyond received the upgraded interior and 2012 has the tested and more powerful engine and auto trans. There is a definite positive change under the new ownership/management.

I usually buy German but feel the Jeep GC and JK have made improvement enough for me to try them out again. So far I'm not disappointed.

I've owned several Jeeps in the last 30 years and the new ones are hands down the best to date IMHO. That's not a knock on the early products just a statement of how things have improved in the last year or two.
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Made in America in Toledo, Ohio is one reason. Also the quality ofnthe product made a leap in 2011 and with 2012 the new engine and trans make it top notch..
Chrysler Workers In Michigan Reportedly Caught Smoking, Drinking During Lunch Breaks | FoxNews.com
Chrysler bailout to cost U.S. taxpayers $1.3 billion

Good reasons NOT to buy made-in-America ...

And regarding the "new" engine and transmission
Jeep: 15/19 MPG
FJ: 17/22 MPG
FJ can tow 5000 lb stock, no "tow package" required. JKU can tow 3500 lb max.
Looks like FJ's drivetrain still beats JKU, in spite of being "old".

Finally, accordingly to Edmunds / JD Powers,
Jeep Wrangler (2012) overall initial quality: 2.5 / powertrain quality: 3.5
Toyota FJ Cruiser (2011) overall initial quality: 4.5 / powertrain quality: 5.0
Of course, these guys must be idiots who don't know what they are talking about
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Umm . . . Toyota Vehicle Recalls . . .

Good reasons NOT to buy Toyota.
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That big piece of plastic don't get 20 mpg and I didn't get a jeep to tow with
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That big piece of plastic don't get 20 mpg and I didn't get a jeep to tow with
My FJ gets 22 MPG on the highway at 70 mph.
I don't care what you bought your Jeep for. The fact is that FJ's drivetrain beats JKU's drivetrain, and it make FJ a more versatile vehicle.

I may be a "big piece of plastic" but accordingly to IIHS it is still much safer and more crashworthy than Jeep.
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Umm . . . Toyota Vehicle Recalls . . .

Good reasons NOT to buy Toyota.
NHTSA-NASA study of Toyota vehicles finds no electronic causes of unintended acceleration - Welcome to the FastLane: The Official Blog of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation

Have you ever asked yourself a question about the timing of Toyota recall? Any connection with GM and Chrysler bailout?

By the way, the Toyotas subject to the recall where the ones with made-in-America parts. The ones that were built with Japanese Denso parts were not recalled.
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My FJ gets 22 MPG on the highway at 70 mph.
I don't care what you bought your Jeep for. The fact is that FJ's drivetrain beats JKU's drivetrain, and it make FJ a more versatile vehicle.
It makes it a road queen. Which AGAIN was not the question of this thread...

The question is why is the Wrangler a better off-road vehicle...which has been answered unbiasedly...unlike your Toyota love fest (Toyota has plenty of recalls, and plenty of lawsuits against them for blaming customers on problems...they ain't perfect).

I would make the font bigger, since you have clearly missed that point with every post you've made...but I can't...thats as big as it goes. Not sure what we'll do if you miss that point again...maybe a picture with bigger letters...
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NHTSA-NASA study of Toyota vehicles finds no electronic causes of unintended acceleration - Welcome to the FastLane: The Official Blog of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation

Have you ever asked yourself a question about the timing of Toyota recall? Any connection with GM and Chrysler bailout?
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FJ people get crazy when you say something about "visibility" and their vehicles. I joined the FJ forum to learn about the vehicle and got cussed out and called ever name in the book when I asked if anyone had issues with the visibility. It was a fiercely defensive crowd that acted like a bunch of children. That's the Internet for you....


HAHAHAHAHA, you are the man! Haters gonna hate, but i can't picture FJ dudes waving at each other every time they see an Fj on the street. It isn't their trade mark per say.
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Toyota corp. continues to lose market share. Rumor has it ,the employees were told to go into competitor's forums and try to talk up the Corp. and criticize the competition.

If I were Jannikt, I would be more concerned about the ss kicking the South Koreans are giving Toyota,than Jeep .

Toyota is struggling, that is an understatement, they are lucky they stockpiled money.

The FJ is not going to be around for much longer,it is not selling enough,and frankly, TOYOTA has bigger fish to fry.They need to focus on new products elsewhere.Toyota is strong in the "hybrid" department.Thats where they are aiming, they are clearly not headed for battle in the offroad world with Jeep.

Toyota still is ahead of the world in the "hybrid" area.Thats where their aiming.(did I say that twice?)

In a nutshell, Chrysler is focused on the Wrangler, as a pertinent part of the future success of the corp.
Toyota doesn't see the FJ as a pertinent part of Toyota's future. FJ is done.

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It makes it a road queen. Which AGAIN was not the question of this thread...

The question is why is the Wrangler a better off-road vehicle...which has been answered unbiasedly...unlike your Toyota love fest (Toyota has plenty of recalls, and plenty of lawsuits against them for blaming customers on problems...they ain't perfect).

I would make the font bigger, since you have clearly missed that point with every post you've made...but I can't...thats as big as it goes. Not sure what we'll do if you miss that point again...maybe a picture with bigger letters...
I am not arguing which one is better off-road vehicle. Read my original answer. Wrangler has an edge over FJ when it comes to rock crawling thanks to better front axle articulation and better approach/departure angles. In other off-road situations they are about equal, and there are some specific conditions, for example deep water fording, for which the FJ is better designed / built than the JK. Wrangler's open-top improves visibility which is great for off-roading. With the top on, both vehicles have lousy visibility when compared with a "normal" car.

It were other members of the forum who brought the argument of Jeep's quality and new engine and drivetrain being better than FJ. Well, professional evaluations and manufacturer's numbers say otherwise. Edmunds, JD Power, Consumer Reports and True Delta all put FJ above JK when it comes to initial quality and long-term reliability. Fuel efficiency and towing capacity speak for themselves.

Both, based on my personal experience with the two vehicles, as well as the evaluation of all these professional sources, FJ beats JK when it comes to initial quality, long-term reliability / dependability, and has a more capable and fuel efficient drivetrain.
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Toyota corp. continues to lose market share. Rumor has it ,the employees were told to go into competitor's forums and try to talk up the Corp. and criticize the competition.

If I were Jannikt, I would be more concerned about the ss kicking the South Koreans are giving Toyota,than Jeep .

Toyota is struggling, that is an understatement, they are lucky they stockpiled money.

The FJ is not going to be around for much longer,it is not selling enough,and frankly, TOYOTA has bigger fish to fry.They need to focus on new products elsewhere.Toyota is strong in the "hybrid" department.Thats where they are aiming, they are clearly not headed for battle in the offroad world with Jeep.

Toyota still is ahead of the world in the "hybrid" area.Thats where their aiming.

In a nutshell, Chrysler is focused on the Wrangler, as a pertinent part of the future success of the corp.
Toyota doesn't see the FJ as a pertinent part of Toyota's future. FJ is done.

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Toyota is losing market share in USA, which the 3rd most important market in the world, after China and European Union. Globally, they are doing well. Remember, USA is not the world. I fully agree that the toughest competition is coming from Korea.

The FJ still has few years ahead. It was rolled-out in Japan and Australia in 2010 (as 2011 model). Both are large and very important markets for Toyota, so they would not introduce a new model there if they were going to pull a plug on it soon. It sells very well in Latin America and Middle East. The main reason it is selling slowly in the US is because of limited supply. It helps Toyota to demand a higher premium for the vehicles available here, and also allows them to sell more FJ's on other markets where they sell for much higher price.

Toyota has a long tradition of selling off-road vehicles in Asia, Australia, Africa and Latin America, where their different versions of Land Cruiser and Hilux are the undisputed market leaders. Jeep has a long way to go to match Toyota's success and reputation as the toughest, most durable off-road vehicle in all these places where capability is a requirement, not a nice-to-have, and off-road vehicles are a vital tool, not a toy.
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I like the FJ. I saw one on the dealer lot the other day in OD green with black wheels. I'd rock it. Not over my JK, but I'd let the wife buy one.

Quality and reliability may be in favor of the Toyota, but the FJ is not without it's share of issues (TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETINS (TSB's): For the FJ Cruiser - Toyota FJ Cruiser Forum) and I think the new engine and transmission in the JK will tip the drivetrain debate in the JK's favor. Like I said, I like the FJ, but I didn't seriously consider it when I was buying my Jeep.
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Toyota is losing market share in USA, which the 3rd most important market in the world, after China and European Union. Globally, they are doing well. Remember, USA is not the world. I fully agree that the toughest competition is coming from Korea.

The FJ still has few years ahead. It was rolled-out in Japan and Australia in 2010 (as 2011 model). Both are large and very important markets for Toyota, so they would not introduce a new model there if they were going to pull a plug on it soon. It sells very well in Latin America and Middle East. The main reason it is selling slowly in the US is because of limited supply. It helps Toyota to demand a higher premium for the vehicles available here, and also allows them to sell more FJ's on other markets where they sell for much higher price.

Toyota has a long tradition of selling off-road vehicles in Asia, Australia, Africa and Latin America, where their different versions of Land Cruiser and Hilux are the undisputed market leaders. Jeep has a long way to go to match Toyota's success and reputation as the toughest, most durable off-road vehicle in all these places where capability is a requirement, not a nice-to-have, and off-road vehicles are a vital tool, not a toy.
I'm sorry Jannikt, the more you write, the more I feel sorry for you. Fox Business said , Toyota is still losing world market share(not just in America).

USA is still the largest single car market on earth.You were referring to all of Europe as a single car market???Thats Propaganda style writing.
The most important car market was and still is the USA. Don't believe me? Ask ,Porsche,BMW,Audi.Astin Martin,Ferrari,Lambho,... Wait.. better yet, ASK THE SOUTH KOREANS ,which market is the most important. If you can succeed in the USA,you got it made. Toyota is not acustomed(sp) to "selling well" everywhere but here.And frankly, thats not a good sign.

Jan it's a new world now, the Wrangler is the least of Toyota's problems. Toyota has to give the Lexus brand a new facelift,and they have to do it NOW!!!!! That in itself is going to cost billions.
Toyota has to put some of that Hybrid tech into their large SUVs, Why? ,because the large SUVs of Toyota and Lexus have abysmal MPG.
2011 GX460 is what 14 MPG?? and the bigger Lexus is getting 13mpg.??

I believe Toyota will get it done, but ,they are not picking any fights with the 2012 Wrangler,that is one fight they don't want to be in.That is not their strength.

Nobody wants to see Toyota fail, They are a great corporation,the Japanese are great friends of ours.A strong Japan is in the best interest of all of us.

The biggest competiton of the Jeep Wrangler is still the Nissan Exterra, Chrysler said that. Its very capable and its cheaper.

Enjoy your FJ, keep in mind , this is a Wrangler forum.

I admire your perserverence.


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I'm sorry Jannikt, the more you write, the more I feel sorry for you. Fox Business said , Toyota is still losing world market share(not just in America).

USA is still the largest single car market on earth.You were referring to all of Europe as a single car market???Thats Propaganda style writing.
The most important car market was and still is the USA. Don't believe me? Ask ,Porsche,BMW,Audi.Astin Martin,Ferrari,Lambho,... Wait.. better yet, ASK THE SOUTH KOREANS ,which market is the most important. If you can succeed in the USA,you got it made. Toyota is not acustomed(sp) to "selling well" everywhere but here.And frankly, thats not a good sign.

Jan it's a new world now, the Wrangler is the least of Toyota's problems. Toyota has to give the Lexus brand a new facelift,and they have to do it NOW!!!!! That in itself is going to cost billions.
Toyota has to put some of that Hybrid tech into their large SUVs, Why? ,because the large SUVs of Toyota and Lexus have abysmal MPG.
2011 GX460 is what 14 MPG?? and the bigger Lexus is getting 13mpg.??

I believe Toyota will get it done, but ,they are not picking any fights with the 2012 Wrangler,that is one fight they don't want to be in.That is not their strength.

Nobody wants to see Toyota fail, They are a great corporation,the Japanese are great friends of ours.A strong Japan is in the best interest of all of us.

The biggest competiton of the Jeep Wrangler is still the Nissan Exterra, Chrysler said that. Its very capable and its cheaper.

Enjoy your FJ, keep in mind , this is a Wrangler forum.

I admire your perserverence.


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Sorry to burst your bubble. It's obvious that like most Fox News followers you live in the past...

Since 2009 China is the largest car market in the world, both in terms of number of cars sold, and value. 2010 too. And 2011 it will be again.

And in spite of what most Americans want to think, European Union is a very unified block, in many aspects more so than United States. Just to give you some examples - a RN from one state has to obtain a different license if she wants to be a RN in another state. Same for a Structural PE. Or electrician. Even a driving license needs to be changed when moving from one state to another. Nothing of that is necessary when moving or working in any of European Union countries - I lived and worked there for 5 years. Americans gloat about Euro problems and Greece deficit. Well, California is broke too, and it represents a much larger portion of American economy than Greece of EU.

European car market is much more influential when it comes to innovation than USA. VW, BMW, Mercedes, even Ford, launch their new models in Europe first, and then bring them to America 2-3 years later. Even GM has been bringing some of their older European platforms (Astra, Vectra) to the US and re-launching them here as new cars. When did American car manufacturers started to introduce things like Bluetooth or voice commands to their cars? A car I bought in Europe in 2002 had a fully integrated system that "talked" with my cell phone, navigation system, and even accepted voice commands. And I am not talking about an expensive, exotic model. It was a plain bread-and-butter Renault. For Japanese manufacturers it's the local market where the competition is the toughest and where innovation is being brought to consumers well ahead of USA.

Keep following Fox News and believing the USA is the belly-button of the world. You will soon awaken to a cruel reality.

American consumers care only about to things: it has to be cheap and it must have "bling".

I spend over 20 years of my life working and living in Europe, South America and Asia. I work for a large, very successful America-based corporation with operations in over 100 countries. And let me assure you - America had a great past, but the present and the future are elsewhere.

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