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Old 09-07-2011, 05:11 PM   #91
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It's obvious that like most Fox News followers you live in the past...
i think i just got dumber

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Chrysler Workers In Michigan Reportedly Caught Smoking, Drinking During Lunch Breaks | FoxNews.com
Chrysler bailout to cost U.S. taxpayers $1.3 billion

Good reasons NOT to buy made-in-America ...

And regarding the "new" engine and transmission
Jeep: 15/19 MPG
FJ: 17/22 MPG
FJ can tow 5000 lb stock, no "tow package" required. JKU can tow 3500 lb max.
Looks like FJ's drivetrain still beats JKU, in spite of being "old".

Finally, accordingly to Edmunds / JD Powers,
Jeep Wrangler (2012) overall initial quality: 2.5 / powertrain quality: 3.5
Toyota FJ Cruiser (2011) overall initial quality: 4.5 / powertrain quality: 5.0
Of course, these guys must be idiots who don't know what they are talking about
There is no standard for measuring towing capacity. They're just not responsible if you tow more than 3500lbs.

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Chrysler Workers In Michigan Reportedly Caught Smoking, Drinking During Lunch Breaks | FoxNews.com
Chrysler bailout to cost U.S. taxpayers $1.3 billion

Good reasons NOT to buy made-in-America ...

And regarding the "new" engine and transmission
Jeep: 15/19 MPG
FJ: 17/22 MPG
FJ can tow 5000 lb stock, no "tow package" required. JKU can tow 3500 lb max.
Looks like FJ's drivetrain still beats JKU, in spite of being "old".

Finally, accordingly to Edmunds / JD Powers,
Jeep Wrangler (2012) overall initial quality: 2.5 / powertrain quality: 3.5
Toyota FJ Cruiser (2011) overall initial quality: 4.5 / powertrain quality: 5.0
Of course, these guys must be idiots who don't know what they are talking about
Why are you a member of a Wrangler forum?

Troll, by chance?
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:22 PM   #94
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Sorry to burst your bubble. It's obvious that like most Fox News followers you live in the past...

Since 2009 China is the largest car market in the world, both in terms of number of cars sold, and value. 2010 too. And 2011 it will be again.

And in spite of what most Americans want to think, European Union is a very unified block, in many aspects more so than United States. Just to give you some examples - a RN from one state has to obtain a different license if she wants to be a RN in another state. Same for a Structural PE. Or electrician. Even a driving license needs to be changed when moving from one state to another. Nothing of that is necessary when moving or working in any of European Union countries - I lived and worked there for 5 years. Americans gloat about Euro problems and Greece deficit. Well, California is broke too, and it represents a much larger portion of American economy than Greece of EU.

European car market is much more influential when it comes to innovation than USA. VW, BMW, Mercedes, even Ford, launch their new models in Europe first, and then bring them to America 2-3 years later. Even GM has been bringing some of their older European platforms (Astra, Vectra) to the US and re-launching them here as new cars. When did American car manufacturers started to introduce things like Bluetooth or voice commands to their cars? A car I bought in Europe in 2002 had a fully integrated system that "talked" with my cell phone, navigation system, and even accepted voice commands. And I am not talking about an expensive, exotic model. It was a plain bread-and-butter Renault. For Japanese manufacturers it's the local market where the competition is the toughest and where innovation is being brought to consumers well ahead of USA.

Keep following Fox News and believing the USA is the belly-button of the world. You will soon awaken to a cruel reality.

American consumers care only about to things: it has to be cheap and it must have "bling".

I spend over 20 years of my life working and living in Europe, South America and Asia. I work for a large, very successful America-based corporation with operations in over 100 countries. And let me assure you - America had a great past, but the present and the future are elsewhere.

Some numbers are not debatable, there are 4.7 million millionaires in the United States. There are 300,000 in China,and as far as car sales,do you know what sells big in China? the A4 Audi,you know what sells well in the USA?? the A8 Audi. Just keeping it real.

You obviously have been brain washed by your european bosses, its not just Greece,its Greece,Portugal,Ireland Spain and Italy. The Chancellor of Germany said the EUs days are numbered if these countries do not make significant changes .

Take your communist -Socialist crap somewhere else.!!!!!!!! We kicked your asses before and we'll kick it again.Typical european with dick envy.

NEWSFLASH, EU is not unified!!! The Germans,English,French and the Austrians do not want to pay for the socialist countries that are failing.

USA still represents 33% of the world economy. GET OVER IT.

GO AWAY JANNIKt you don't belong here.YEAH YEAH YEAH ,we are the stupid Americans.Out of curiosity, if the unemployment rate is 9% in USA, what is it in the EU????? Those numbers you don't want to talk about.


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For the life of me, Jannikt, I can't understand why you come here.

You don't own a JK. You did at one time, but decided you preferred your FJ. So you just pop in on a Wrangler forum periodically to weigh in on any discussion evaluating the Wrangler and urge that the Toyota brand is better. You're opinion is that Rubicon Wranglers are the best stockers for rock crawling, and, for everything else, the FJ is superior to the Wrangler in any and all contexts. Many disagree with you, but it is your opinion.

I have long assumed you worked for Toyota, but you apparently work for an "America-based" company, so I guess the Toyota rhetoric is just something you keep piling on for fun.

As an aside, it also looks like you're looking for a "Young, dominant Lady who likes to use and abouse older men for her fun, pleasure and entertainment" and that you are a "Submissive gentleman in southwestern ohio, seeking young dominant woman who would allow me to be her part-time slave." But that's neither here nor there.

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There is no standard for measuring towing capacity. They're just not responsible if you tow more than 3500lbs.
SAE standard J-2807 — Performance Requirements for Determining Tow-Vehicle Gross Combination Weight Rating and Trailer Weight Rating.

The standard has been adopted by Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda and Toyota. The standard takes into account five engineering characteristics and test areas that strongly influence any tow vehicle's performance, including:
  • The engine's power and torque characteristics
  • The powertrain's cooling capacity
  • The durability of the powertrain and chassis
  • Handling characteristics during cornering and braking maneuvers
  • The structural characteristics of the vehicle's hitch attachment area
The standard has been adopted voluntarily in 2009 and will become mandatory in 2013.

The towing capacity and GVWR must be approved by DOT before it is published. The manufacturer must present evidence that the vehicle can tow the maximum rated tow load safely and meet minimum acceleration, braking, and handling standards. FJ Cruiser - 5000 lb. JKU - 3500 lb.
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For the life of me, Jannikt, I can't understand why you come here.

You don't own a JK. You did at one time, but decided you preferred your FJ. So you just pop in on a Wrangler forum periodically to weigh in on any discussion evaluating the Wrangler and urge that the Toyota brand is better. You're opinion is that Rubicon Wranglers are the best stockers for rock crawling, and, for everything else, the FJ is superior to the Wrangler in any and all contexts. Many disagree with you, but it is your opinion.

I have long assumed you worked for Toyota, but you apparently work for an "America-based" company, so I guess the Toyota rhetoric is just something you keep piling on for fun.

As an aside, it also looks like you're looking for a "Young, dominant Lady who likes to use and abouse older men for her fun, pleasure and entertainment." But that's neither here nor there.

Good find. Somebody has been using the same user name as me on different forums (with different interests). I am aware of that and have been "cleaning" the history for a while. But stuff like that still pops up from time to time.
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I spend over 20 years of my life working and living in Europe, South America and Asia. I work for a large, very successful America-based corporation with operations in over 100 countries. And let me assure you - America had a great past, but the present and the future are elsewhere.
Maybe it's time that you move back. Just saying
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:30 PM   #100
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I looked at an FJ when I first started looking at Jeeps a few years ago.
I thought it was a bit cramped (visablity and abilty to get to rear seat), and had crappy fuel economy for the price.

My friend has an all black FJ TRD, and it is cool as heck...but not for me. The top does not come off.....
As far as pure off-roading goes...I would take the Rubi.
As far as "on-roading" goes...the 2012 Rubi with a new engine/tranny (along with 2011 interior) closes the gap on the FJ big time.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:35 PM   #102
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Good find. Somebody has been using the same user name as me on different forums (with different interests). I am aware of that and have been "cleaning" the history for a while. But stuff like that still pops up from time to time.
Well then I'm glad I could help and am sure you'll get it taken care of. It's no doubt good that you both live in the same state.

That said though, seriously--why do you do this? You push debates with a group of enthusiasts extolling the benefits of another platform that has its own forums. I'm not saying you're always wrong or always at fault, but you seem to pick these fights, no?

And come on, surely you understand that neither is perfect. If the "competition" between the Wrangler and the FJ was as lopsided as you suggest, the FJ would've overtaken the Wrangler long ago. Many--many--prefer the Wrangler for any number of reasons. You don't. That's fine. I just can't understand why you're here.
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SAE standard J-2807 — Performance Requirements for Determining Tow-Vehicle Gross Combination Weight Rating and Trailer Weight Rating.

The standard has been adopted by Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda and Toyota. The standard takes into account five engineering characteristics and test areas that strongly influence any tow vehicle's performance, including:
[*] The engine's power and torque characteristics[*]The powertrain's cooling capacity[*]The durability of the powertrain and chassis[*]Handling characteristics during cornering and braking maneuvers[*]The structural characteristics of the vehicle's hitch attachment area

The standard has been adopted voluntarily in 2009 and will become mandatory in 2013.

The towing capacity and GVWR must be approved by DOT before it is published. The manufacturer must present evidence that the vehicle can tow the maximum rated tow load safely and meet minimum acceleration, braking, and handling standards. FJ Cruiser - 5000 lb. JKU - 3500 lb.
That's weird. It doesn't say that Chrysler is part of here now does it? It states " Today, the Society of Automotive Engineers announced a new system of standards to measure pickup truck towing capacity, with the support of Chevrolet/GMC, Ram, Ford, Honda and Toyota. The standards will go into effect for the 2013 model year." Ram!=Chrysler or Jeep.

It also says that it will not be mandatory. Here is the source. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ests_for_2013/
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:42 PM   #104
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Good find. Somebody has been using the same user name as me on different forums (with different interests). I am aware of that and have been "cleaning" the history for a while. But stuff like that still pops up from time to time.
That explains it. We understand that things like that happen from time to time. Robert Stephens taught us that.
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That explains it. We understand that things like that happen from time to time. Robert Stephens taught us that.
Exactly.

And in fairness, I had to work to find it. First I had to do this, then I had to correct the autocorrect that changed "jannikt" to "jannik." And then . . . well okay it was the top result.

So no, not really hard.


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Bill, am I argueing too much????(with Jannikt)

LOL Ok I'll stop, guys like him agravate me,always criticizing USA, life in China,Brazil,and India is not better.

China has 500 mil people that have never stepped into a school.

India? they have more!!! We all know money, we all know that eventually someone has to pay for the ignorant.
Many Europeans want to see America fail,he sounds like one of them.

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OP here,

First, despite pluke's prior assertation, I am not trolling. I'm actually looking for some information about the OFF ROAD performance of the FJ.

Much debate about the other attributes, but as some have noted, that was not my question. Still it makes for interesting reading.

Fortunately, in amongst all the other stuff, I've been able to glean some details about the FJ's off road performance and have concluded that I'd only consider one if my focus shifted more toward the on-road side of jeepin.

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Bill, am I argueing too much????(with Jannikt)

LOL Ok I'll stop, guys like him agravate me,always criticizing USA, life in China,Brazil,and India is not better.

China has 500 mil people that have never stepped into a school.

India? they have more!!! We all know money, we all know that eventually someone has to pay for the ignorant.
Many Europeans want to see America fail,he sounds like one of them.

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Don't take this personally, but as soon as someone pulls the "Socialist" or "Communist" card, the rational discussion is over and credibility has gone out the window. But it takes two to tango, so you're not totally at fault. I mean I'm the master of off topic, but come on man.
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OP here,

First, despite pluke's prior assertation, I am not trolling. I'm actually looking for some information about the OFF ROAD performance of the FJ.

Much debate about the other attributes, but as some have noted, that was not my question. Still it makes for interesting reading.

Fortunately, in amongst all the other stuff, I've been able to glean some details about the FJ's off road performance and have concluded that I'd only consider one if my focus shifted more toward the on-road side of jeepin.

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Well OK. Just make sure to never say you're "jeepin" in an FJ.
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Is it bad all this fag j talk makes me wanna watch some failing on YouTube
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My sister-in-law says the FJ looks like a "Barbie Mobile". Never saw a Barbie Mobile. Is it true?
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Tone down the language and insults. We don't do that on WF
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