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Old 09-26-2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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Why not a Warn Zeon 12?

Ignoring the steel vs. synthetic rope argument is there any reason to NOT get a Zeon 12 vs a Zeon 10?

The Zeon 10 and 12 are the same size and have the same bolt pattern. The 12 does draw more amps during use and does draw slower (the 10 pulls in at 4.8ft/m and the 12 pulls in at 3.1 ft/m) but you're getting 2000 lbs more pull. Again...ignoring the synthetic vs steel rope argument...why not spend the extra $100 and get the Zeon 12 over the 10? (Steel rope Zeon 10 retails for $899 and the steel rope Zeon 12 retails for $999).

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Ignoring the steel vs. synthetic rope argument is there any reason to NOT get a Zeon 12 vs a Zeon 10?

The Zeon 10 and 12 are the same size and have the same bolt pattern. The 12 does draw more amps during use and does draw slower (the 10 pulls in at 4.8ft/m and the 12 pulls in at 3.1 ft/m) but you're getting 2000 lbs more pull. Again...ignoring the synthetic vs steel rope argument...why not spend the extra $100 and get the Zeon 12 over the 10? (Steel rope Zeon 10 retails for $899 and the steel rope Zeon 12 retails for $999).
Everything I've ever heard always points to 2x your vehicle weight. My unlimited is around 4600 lbs, so a 10 would be perfect.

Waiting to see what others have to say.

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Everything I've ever heard always points to 2x your vehicle weight. My unlimited is around 4600 lbs, so a 10 would be perfect.

Waiting to see what others have to say.
This why I asked the question. I know that 12000 lbs is probably overkill but is there such a thing as too much?
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:21 PM   #4
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most of my life various sages have informed me "TOO much is not enough"....

and variations of "If it's worth doing it's worth OVER doing"....

Let us know how it all works out.

Disclaimer: a good part of my younger days was spent recovering from the enthusiasm of "too much" at the wrong time....
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Don't hold me to this, but I believe they have the same motor. It's the gearing that is different. As a general rule it's 1 1/2 times the weight of your rig. The 10k would be more than enough.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:12 PM   #6
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I'm having the same dilemma, only I'm looking at the Zeon 10-S vs Zeon 8-S. It's a $100 difference. Why wouldn't I get the 10?

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Old 09-27-2013, 12:21 PM   #7
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I would do the 12 all day long. Once you have your winch line laid out and a pull that is through a snatch block to rolling load that weighs out more than the JKU. You will find the limit. I have a M12K in the garage I am trying to figure out how to get it on the front of my JKU. I have an M8K right now. It is a great winch, but, I have found it's limitations a few times.

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For what it's worth, the formula we use here at Warn for winch selection is:

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating x 1.5 = Minimum Pulling Capacity

Some people place line speed over capacity and don't want to step up to a 12.

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If you use the formula: TR = GC + GF + DR + SM when you need recovered, you may find your 4600lb Jeep will weigh more than 4600lbs.

I bet your 10k winch will work fine for your Jeep, provided you use it as a 10k winch.
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I really didn't intend for this discussion to question if the Zeon 10(s) is enough for winch for a JKU. In a nutshell I guess I'm asking the following question. If I'm not going to break something on my Jeep, is there any reason to NOT spend the extra money and get the extra pull of the Zeon 12?

Rule #1 - If something sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Ok...so...
You can buy a Zeon 10s for $1149 online.

You can buy a Zeon 12 for $999 online.
You can buy 100' of Amsteel Blue 3/8" 17500 lb rope for approx $240
$999 + $240 = $1239

$1239
- $1149
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$90

So...for $90 more you get a 12000 lb winch vs a 10000 lb winch.

Is it too good to be true?
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I have a 12 and the reason why isn't because of my Jeep its because I always end up pulling folks like this out...
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I really didn't intend for this discussion to question if the Zeon 10(s) is enough for winch for a JKU. In a nutshell I guess I'm asking the following question. If I'm not going to break something on my Jeep, is there any reason to NOT spend the extra money and get the extra pull of the Zeon 12?

Rule #1 - If something sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Ok...so...
You can buy a Zeon 10s for $1149 online.

You can buy a Zeon 12 for $999 online.
You can buy 100' of Amsteel Blue 3/8" 17500 lb rope for approx $240
$999 + $240 = $1239

$1239
- $1149
--------
$90

So...for $90 more you get a 12000 lb winch vs a 10000 lb winch.

Is it too good to be true?
Nope, sounds good, get the max you can for the price spent.

If you don't plan on using it a bunch and will be buying Amsteel Blue Rope, you can always buy a Warn M8000 (still meets the 1.5x factor) and have money left over for a pulley block, 2 bow shackles, and tree saver strap. Then you will have most everything to use the winch and be able to pull 12k when needed.

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Old 09-27-2013, 03:08 PM   #13
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I have a 12 and the reason why isn't because of my Jeep its because I always end up pulling folks like this out...
LOL Now that's funny right there. Is that the same hole on the same day by chance? I'm just curious cause if I saw the first one...I don't think I'd be the second one.

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