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Old 10-17-2011, 05:17 PM   #61
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^ Full circle, I see (note my post #2).

I'll go pop up some more. HPH

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^ Full circle, I see (note my post #2).

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And your data comes from?
I didn't give data, I gave facts. You can look in any book that discusses the combustion of hydrocarbons to confirm the first part of paragraph one. It's no secret that the environementalists want to get rid of the internal combustion engine as we know it. They live under the illusion that electric power would somehow be cleaner than gasoline.

The second paragraph is based on me thinking for myself and assessing what gets spewed from the media on a daily basis. 90% of the scientific "news" they distribute doesn't make sense at all, including the CO2 crisis. If you'd care to compare your thoughts about how long the Earth has been here vs how long we've been able to keep meaningful data please be my guest. There isn't much room for debate there, it's a fact.

The last paragraph is painfully obvious to anyone that isn't blinded by an agenda that more than likely isn't based on their own ideas and that they haven't put any thought into. This is easily proven by asking someone to name something put on this planet by man outside of the space program. Can you do that? I didn't think so.
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I didn't give data, I gave facts. You can look in any book that discusses the combustion of hydrocarbons to confirm the first part of paragraph one. It's no secret that the environementalists want to get rid of the internal combustion engine as we know it. They live under the illusion that electric power would somehow be cleaner than gasoline.

The second paragraph is based on me thinking for myself and assessing what gets spewed from the media on a daily basis. 90% of the scientific "news" they distribute doesn't make sense at all, including the CO2 crisis. If you'd care to compare your thoughts about how long the Earth has been here vs how long we've been able to keep meaningful data please be my guest. There isn't much room for debate there, it's a fact.

The last paragraph is painfully obvious to anyone that isn't blinded by an agenda that more than likely isn't based on their own ideas and that they haven't put any thought into. This is easily proven by asking someone to name something put on this planet by man outside of the space program. Can you do that? I didn't think so.
I agree with a lot of that. You drive an electric car? Great! Now when you plug into the grid.... Where does the power come from? Coal? Oh okay....
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Thats a lot of popcorn, and popcorn oil.. Does popcorn oil work? And is it better with tabasco? Beer and tabasco covered popcorn..thats the ticket.
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I agree with a lot of that. You drive an electric car? Great! Now when you plug into the grid.... Where does the power come from? Coal? Oh okay....
Not only that, but how much inefficiency is involved. When your car runs on gas you refine the gas, put it in the car and go. This process is roughly 30% efficient on a good day. With an electric car we have to refine/mine/purify something to run the powerplant on. Then we have to use that to make electricity, then we have to transmit that power to the end user, they have to store it in their "car", then they have to convert it to mechanical energy. There are losses associated with all of these operations and you have to ask if electric cars are really better when the big picture is considered.

The same can largely be said for all the technology that goes into our gas cars. We put all this stuff in them to reduce emissions, but how clean are the processes used to make that stuff? Not very clean. Are we making enough of a difference in the end product to justify the means? I would love to see that study, but it won't happen because the powers that be are more interested in their agenda than the truth even if the truth supports their agenda.
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Not only that, but how much inefficiency is involved. When your car runs on gas you refine the gas, put it in the car and go. This process is roughly 30% efficient on a good day. With an electric car we have to refine/mine/purify something to run the powerplant on. Then we have to use that to make electricity, then we have to transmit that power to the end user, they have to store it in their "car", then they have to convert it to mechanical energy. There are losses associated with all of these operations and you have to ask if electric cars are really better when the big picture is considered.

The same can largely be said for all the technology that goes into our gas cars. We put all this stuff in them to reduce emissions, but how clean are the processes used to make that stuff? Not very clean. Are we making enough of a difference in the end product to justify the means? I would love to see that study, but it won't happen because the powers that be are more interested in their agenda than the truth even if the truth supports their agenda.

Hydrocarbons are just stored Nuclear Fusion Energy from the sun. Humans are the same thing and will be the dinosaurs of the future, the next wave of hydrocarbons, all 40 Billion of us in about 100 years.. big fat pools of oil that some new occupants of earth will burn. LOL. It's the Law of Conservation of Crap. If the climate scientists are right we will accelerate the transition to extinction. If they are wrong, we'll get there a few years later.

There have been about 6 mass extinctions on the planet in the last few million years, we're overdue. Burn it while you can get it. I really don't give a whit one way or the other but if I had kids, I might. In any event, it's a kick to stir up the discussion!

BTW, It not just CO2 and H2O, it's Hot CO2 and H2O... there is a lot of heat in the exhaust... trillions of BTUs, everyday. Last summer hot enough for you? Tornados big enough for you? Flooding getting your attention at all? Drill baby Drill, we want the juice. We're counting on you.

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I have a lotta rifles, lets just say that I stay accurately, under 1000 yds--I'm notta sniper-and there are a couple on this forum-

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Good to know...when the shit hits the fan, we'll need water, rifles, and wranglers.
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BTW, It not just CO2 and H2O, it's Hot CO2 and H2O... there is a lot of heat in the exhaust... trillions of BTUs, everyday.
...and when we have electric cars it will be hot water going through the steam turbine to generate the electricity, it will be hot water coming of of the core of the reactor to keep it from melting down (with the added bonus of being contaminated by nuclear waste!), it will be hot exhaust from the oil burners used to make the hot water, it will be hot exhaust from the coal burners used to make the hot water, etc. There is only one form of energy responsible for everything we do every day and that is thermal. If you move up the chain far enough you will find thermal energy responsible for everything we do.

How much heat and pollution do you think is emitted by a forest fire that is started by lightning and consumes tens of thousands of acres? Man has nothing to do with that, yet they happen all the time and cause much more pollution than mankind could ever hope to. The last study I saw on this sort of thing in the early 90's estimated that the Earth emits roughly 800 times the pollution that man creates.

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You mean the record setting summer we just had? The one that came right on the heels of the record setting winter we just had? The tornados this year weren't anything we don't have every year, you just heard more about them because they hit heavily populated areas. Statistically it was going to happen sooner or later. It's flooding some places, but we are having a record setting drought in my neck of the woods. The weather is doing what weather does. Trying to pin it on the behavior of mankind is just a little bit of a stretch since we really don't know anything precise about what Earth has done in the past. It has been hot, it has been cold, and it's going to do both over and over. Claiming that the industrialization of manking in the last 100 years is responsible for the current climate change is almost boastful on our part. Do you think it's a coincidence that this time frame just happens to be the only time period in history for which we have data that is reliable and precise enough to measure the changes we've seen during that time? That maybe we just happened to start keeping track during a time when the Earth is warming up on its own? Or is it more likely that the complex chain of events touted by the scientists (who rely on their findings to keep their jobs!) are what is causing it? This is the same scientific community that has changed their mind about what is damaging our environment many times over the last 40 years. It seems that every time we solve one problem they conveniently come up with a new one they need to solve. These are the same people that led the charge for plastic grocery bags only to claim later that they were bad for the environment and we should go back to paper. In a situation like this I'm a firm believer in Ockham's Razor. It is much more likely that the Earth is doing what the Earth does than it is that our feeble existence is changing it.
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Good to know...when the shit hits the fan, we'll need water, rifles, and wranglers
. Guess you might need Ammo, Gasoline, Oil, Tires, etc too? Maybe food, shelter, someway to take care of the roads, some medicine, beer, plenty of DVDs, heat, clothes and maybe some tools... Maybe 2 wranglers, one for parts? LOL. "Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose.."
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The most noticeable difference from using synthetics was the drop in RPM's at start up and while driving around town. When I first bought my jeep with 9 miles on it, and started it, it would idle at 900 RPM's. After the first oil change at 4,000 miles I went with Amsoil. It now idles at around 600 RPM's. This will improve gas mileage, when the engine is not having to work as hard as it had to.
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I believe the idle is ECM computer controlled. Most engines have a higher rpm just after starting, and many depending on ambient temp, settle to idle after 5 seconds to a minute or so (diesels)
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I believe the idle is ECM computer controlled. Most engines have a higher rpm just after starting, and many depending on ambient temp, settle to idle after 5 seconds to a minute or so (diesels)
I too switched to Amsoil. Yes the idle does stay elevated for a minute after start up and then comes down. No different from the factory oil over too Amsoil syn.
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I didn't give data, I gave facts. You can look in any book that discusses the combustion of hydrocarbons to confirm the first part of paragraph one. It's no secret that the environementalists want to get rid of the internal combustion engine as we know it. They live under the illusion that electric power would somehow be cleaner than gasoline.

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The last paragraph is painfully obvious to anyone that isn't blinded by an agenda that more than likely isn't based on their own ideas and that they haven't put any thought into. This is easily proven by asking someone to name something put on this planet by man outside of the space program. Can you do that? I didn't think so.



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Energy from Fusion Weapons?

I think you're confusing "facts" with "opinions". If you have no data to support your "facts"; then they are "opinions".
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Energy from Fusion Weapons?
Not hardly. That energy was already here, we just opted to make use of it. Even if we did just make it magically appear one day it pales in comparison to the energy we receive from the Sun every day.

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I think you're confusing "facts" with "opinions". If you have no data to support your "facts"; then they are "opinions".
I think you are confusing you with me. I have given many facts; you have given nothing but "I disagree with you so you must be wrong".

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