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Old 09-16-2012, 12:47 PM   #31
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I used black RTV, I pryed the plug out a bit and filled in as much as I could, then I went all around the whole thing with it..
What's the "plug" made out of ?

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Old 09-16-2012, 01:36 PM   #32
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I used black RTV, I pryed the plug out a bit and filled in as much as I could, then I went all around the whole thing with it..
Thanks for your help. I find it amazing that Chrysler could not find this simple problem and devise a quick fix for it themselves. No telling how many Jeeps have this problem but the owners don't know it because they normally park their Jeeps in a garage. If I didn't have to park my Jeep outdoors I probably would have never known because it doesn't happen when I'm driving. It is weird too that it doesn't happen every time it rains. It seems to take a slow soaking rain for it to occur.

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Yeah I sealed it from the inside, the "plug" is plastic..
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Yeah I sealed it from the inside, the "plug" is plastic..
Okay.... it appears the water is coming from the cowl. My question would be why isn't the water draining down the channels? It looks like the water is dripping from the cowl / firewall and making its way down from the top of the kick panel and into a hole where the plug is.

I think you showed that when you injected water directly into the cowl and it came out underneath between the sheet metal where the kick panel and fender panels meet.

I always thought there were channels (drains) designed from the cowl so water can make its way underneath the vehicle. I've never seen water drain between two sheet metal panels before, one would think that would be a major source for rust to develop.



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Old 09-17-2012, 01:27 AM   #35
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lol a leak???? bedline the inside and go lol i wash mine out all the time and hell i dont care if theres water unless its dripping on electrical stuff. but thats awesome you found the leak like that. lemme know if yal come across anymore
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Okay.... it appears the water is coming from the cowl. My question would be why isn't the water draining down the channels? It looks like the water is dripping from the cowl / firewall and making its way down from the top of the kick panel and into a hole where the plug is.

I think you showed that when you injected water directly into the cowl and it came out underneath between the sheet metal where the kick panel and fender panels meet.

I always thought there were channels (drains) designed from the cowl so water can make its way underneath the vehicle. I've never seen water drain between two sheet metal panels before, one would think that would be a major source for rust to develop.



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I made a youtube video of under the hood, it all drains off the side, kinda hard to see in the video though..



I pried it back



another view, you can see jeep's cheezy blue foam or just call it crap they put around the plug, because its worth a crap..



While I had it pried out I filled with as much RTV as possible and then around the outside... It doesn't matter how it looks, just how it works

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I made a youtube video of under the hood, it all drains off the side, kinda hard to see in the video though..

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While I had it pried out I filled with as much RTV as possible and then around the outside... It doesn't matter how it looks, just how it works
Got it ... the cowl doesn't have drain tubes, water just rolls off the edges down the side of the inner sheet metal panels onto the ground... right over that dumb ass non-functioning plug. One would think those Jeep engineers would have a hose with running water to verify the plugs they buy are doing what they are designed to do.

Good job man .. this was a major reason I've avoided buying another Jeep.



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OK, so it looks like TWO areas are prone to leaks. The wonderfully documented cowl plug leak, and the leak under the door due to improper seal near the door sill.

I haven't experienced the cowl plug leak, and I'm guessing that it's a crap shoot whether or not you get one or both leaks. Good job Chrysler. (roll eyes, face palm, etc.)

I know that the Jeep is designed to be abused, and a little water shouldn't bother us, but unless you live in a fairly arid area (Me!), having a constant source of water intrusion - when you don't want it - is a problem.
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Maybe Slcbrian's Jeep will float now ... went from a submarine to a destroyer in 3 easy steps.

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:20 AM   #41
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gonna seal mine up today
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #42
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driver side water under floor mat ,2012 jk

Anyone know why a new 2012 jk would have a puddle of water under floor mat, when it rains... ? strange right cant figure it out
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:13 PM   #43
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What's really sad is this is a common, well documented leak in the TJ's and LJ's, and somehow it's carried over to the JK's. I had a similar leak in my 2004 LJ. Once I cleaned out the cowl drain, it stopped. But, a lot of guys had to seal up a firewall penetration very similar to this one.
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Anyone know why a new 2012 jk would have a puddle of water under floor mat, when it rains... ? strange right cant figure it out

Have someone put a hose on it and get inside and wait for the leak..
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:17 PM   #46
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Awww jeeez. Now you're gonna make me go n look :P

I lemon-lawed a '97 - 7 tries for the dealer to fix the leak and they couldn't. Leaked from the cowl/air intake area. Used to flood the passenger floor.

Apparently fixed the problem - the '99 I replaced it with never leaked.

I put deep-well mats in to catch water when it happened. Got 'em in my 12 too... no sign of water. Never checked under though.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:05 AM   #47
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Dealer did the TSB fix on my pass side door seal which meant they hacked out a rectangle in the bottom of my door seal to allow water to drain out, not happy with the hack job. Did not fix the leak so I made them replace my door seal and now it leaks worse. Somebody has to know what I have to do to stop this water from coming in and soaking the floorboard. Door was wet near the top front inside painted area which is new , it used to just seap under the bottom door seal. My plug is not leaking under the dash.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:33 PM   #48
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Maybe Chrysler should move production to China....I bet quality would actually improve.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:47 PM   #49
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Maybe Chrysler should move production to China....I bet quality would actually improve.
Oooo! Don't go there.
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Is this an issue in the 2013?
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:01 AM   #51
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The best fix, and to avoid the dealer screwing our vehicles up just a little bit more, you should find out where that area is (meets) on the OUTSIDE of the Jeep, and silicone it from the outside. If you do it from the inside, you would still have water trapped in between the sheetmetal. Would love to have a fix for this from the outside to seal the Jeep up.
Good call on that, and then you wind up with rust issues!

Crazy video and makes me wonder if I'm getting a soggy passenger-side carpet. I haven't noticed anything but now I'm paranoid.
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Any word on how this fix has lasted? Kind of concerning how many jeep owners find they have a wet floor mat and reinstall/repair their freedom panels thinking that's the fix.
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Any word on how this fix has lasted? Kind of concerning how many jeep owners find they have a wet floor mat and reinstall/repair their freedom panels thinking that's the fix.
Its been dry ever since....
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I have a 2010 and assumed it was the door seal issue as well.

Definitely plan on doing the water test and sealing that plug.

Now if I can just get my Trektop NX to stop leaking too...
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Is this an issue in the 2013?
^ This. Im also interested if it got fixed with 2013
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Its been dry ever since....

Good to hear! I just purchased a 2010 Wrangler Sport Mountain and that will be the first place I'll look if its leaking. I have spoken with the previous owner and he mentioned he had no issues with the roof leaking.

Has anyone else done this test and found if that's where there's is leaking?
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Good to hear! I just purchased a 2010 Wrangler Sport Mountain and that will be the first place I'll look if its leaking. I have spoken with the previous owner and he mentioned he had no issues with the roof leaking.

Has anyone else done this test and found if that's where there's is leaking?
Yes I did this test. My 2012 JKUR was leaking in this spot on the drivers side. It was a quick 15 min. max fix
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Today I happened to pull out the floormat on the passenger side and my carpet is soaked. And it hasn't rained here in Southern California nor have I washed it in 2 weeks. Wtf

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