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Old 03-23-2012, 12:09 PM   #121
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I dunno, the guys who I wheel with seem to all wish they had JKUs if they only have JKs, and most of them all have JKUs. Better approach angle, better ability to break over as well. Most of them have zero reason to even have the 4 doors; they chose them just because it's better to wheel with in our area.

Oh, is this a wave thread? I stopped waving pretty soon after I started. I see all the same jeeps, and most don't wave. However I always wave back when someone waves to me, and I'll toss a wave to the trail gear rigs I see
Ummm, the approach angle is the same 2 door and 4 door if they have the same lift. And it what world does a 4 door have a better break over angle?

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Ummm, the approach angle is the same 2 door and 4 door if they have the same lift. And it what world does a 4 door have a better break over angle?
longer wheel base? much easier to do steps with a 4door than a 2door. when you are trying to get over a big ol rockface, you'll feel better doing it in a 4door. think about it. if you put the front tires up on a curb in a 2 door and put it next to a 4door, which one is going to be at less of an incline?
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:17 PM   #126
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I dunno, the guys who I wheel with seem to all wish they had JKUs if they only have JKs, and most of them all have JKUs. Better approach angle, better ability to break over as well. Most of them have zero reason to even have the 4 doors; they chose them just because it's better to wheel with in our area.
In the words of Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny: "Everything that guy just said is bull shi!t"

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Old 03-23-2012, 12:21 PM   #127
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In the words of Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny: "Everything that guy just said is bull shi!t"


I hear the expression "the longer wheelbase will make getting over this next obstacle" enough times that I feel like I should make it a bumper sticker.

that being said, I'm more than willing to admit I'm an idiot, and probably using the wrong words. But point stands, folks I wheel with agree 4door is king
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Why no love for Stock Jeepers??? Kind of contradicting calling someone a Dick for not waving when you only wave at Modded Jeeps. No Disrespect, a Jeeps a Jeep, mod or no mod
Yep. A stock Jeep is a modded Jeep waiting to happen, right?
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:22 PM   #129
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longer wheel base? much easier to do steps with a 4door than a 2door. when you are trying to get over a big ol rockface, you'll feel better doing it in a 4door. think about it. if you put the front tires up on a curb in a 2 door and put it next to a 4door, which one is going to be at less of an incline?
You miss understand break over angle... The 2 doors is better. A 2 door can go over something higher without it hitting the underside of the Jeep b/c the rear wheels are closer and start to climb the obstacle before the underside hits.

Now I do agree that a longer wheel base is better for hill climbing... With a longer wheel base you can put the nose higher in the air before it just plain rolls over backwards.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:27 PM   #131
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I hear the expression "the longer wheelbase will make getting over this next obstacle" enough times that I feel like I should make it a bumper sticker.

that being said, I'm more than willing to admit I'm an idiot, and probably using the wrong words. But point stands, folks I wheel with agree 4door is king
You are not an idiot. It was just that the particular point you used was in fact wrong. The 2-door has two main advantages over the 4-door. A better breakover angle and a tighter turn radius. The 4-door has one big (off-road) advantage over the 2-door and than it it's climbing ability which is helped by the longer wheelbase. The approach angle is the same for both models.

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You miss understand break over angle... The 2 doors is better. A 2 door can go over something higher without it hitting the underside of the Jeep b/c the rear wheels are closer and start to climb the obstacle before the underside hits.

Now I do agree that a longer wheel base is better for hill climbing... With a longer wheel base you can put the nose higher in the air before it just plain rolls over backwards.
I think it really depends on the height u have to climb
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:30 PM   #133
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A 2 door can go over something higher without it hitting the underside of the Jeep b/c the rear wheels are closer and start to climb the obstacle before the underside hits.

Now I do agree that a longer wheel base is better for hill climbing... With a longer wheel base you can put the nose higher in the air before it just plain rolls over backwards.
And this really illustrates the bigger point. In terms of offroad capability, 2 door to 4 door is going to be more or less of a wash. Some things the shorter wheel base will be better for, some things the longer wheel base will be better for. Depends on what you're trying to do really, it seems to me.

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The 2-door has two main advantages over the 4-door. A better breakover angle and a tighter turn radius. The 4-door has one big (off-road) advantage over the 2-door and than it it's climbing ability which is helped by the longer wheelbase.
A good way to put it, though I note that it's not exactly a math problem. How those realities play out in the real world and whether the "two advantages" is more important to a user than the "one advantage" is going to vary person-to-person and situation-to-situation.

I guess my point is just that I haven't really seen any compelling analysis as to either one being "better" offroad. They're both the best of what's commerically available, and in certain circumstances either one may be better than the other. In other words, unless you have a very good bead on exactly the type of wheeling you'll be doing and you have very specific needs, offroad capability shouldn't really be part of the analysis when deciding between a 2 door and a 4 door.
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And this really illustrates the bigger point. In terms of offroad capability, 2 door to 4 door is going to be more or less of a wash. Some things the shorter wheel base will be better for, some things the longer wheel base will be better for. Depends on what you're trying to do really, it seems to me.
agree 100%. for ledge climbs, 4door. for a rock garden? 2door. thats why I said where I happen to go wheeling, the 4door is preferred. the hardest obstacles are always ledges, and that type of thing is miserable in a 2door. a 4door can overcome something like a rock garden with a good line and a nice tall lift; nothing makes climbing a 3+foot ledge with a 2door less difficult!
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2 door to 4 door is going to be more or less of a wash.
Cut your reply waaay down for this....

2 dr rules for washing....there's less to do. Not to mention you can use a shorter hose to get 'round back!

That's all I got on the 2dr vs 4dr stuff....
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Cut your reply waaay down for this....

2 dr rules for washing....there's less to do. Not to mention you can use a shorter hose to get 'round back!

That's all I got on the 2dr vs 4dr stuff....
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Has it occurred to anyone that this is one of those rare moments in WF time, that all the mods are perhaps sitting back, reading this thread and laughing, like visitors watching insane caged monkeys at the zoo?

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Are you suggesting we start a sh!t fight?
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eh...one of the mods is under my jeep currently fixing things. Punishment for being lazy the last time a "wave" thread appeared.
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So to recap the thread so far...
2 dr always wave back as long as it isn't a lady but with the exception of the ladies whose husbands warned them about the wave. And 2dr require smaller hoses because the wheel base is less and on the curb the incline is more.

Mean while...

4dr are more work to clean and require more hose because they incline less and due to their wheelbase they are less likely to wave.

Oh and Barrie is a girl...

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So to recap the thread so far...
2 dr always wave back as long as it isn't a lady but with the exception of the ladies whose husbands warned them about the wave. And 2dr require smaller hoses because the wheel base is less and on the curb the incline is more.

Mean while...

4dr are more work to clean and require more hose because they incline less and due to their wheelbase they are less likely to wave.

Oh and Barrie is a girl...

Did I get it rigth?
So far....

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So to recap the thread so far...
2 dr always wave back as long as it isn't a lady but with the exception of the ladies whose husbands warned them about the wave. And 2dr require smaller hoses because the wheel base is less and on the curb the incline is more.

Mean while...

4dr are more work to clean and require more hose because they incline less and due to their wheelbase they are less likely to wave.

Oh and Barrie is a girl...

Did I get it rigth?
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And that kjeeper10 wears his skeevies on his head....
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And that kjeeper10 wears his skeevies on his head....
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At least I was close...

Oh and that a lot of Dbags in PR are afraid of potholes.
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