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Old 01-23-2013, 12:26 AM   #1
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I'm looking at buying a winch for my rubicon but I have a few questions. First I want the best bang for the buck. I'm not sure on a brand. Secondly I've seen that there are steel rope and synthetic rope. What is going to be the bat option?

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There are quite a few similar threads here. One new option is the Quadratec winch, seems to be a pretty good option and not expensive at all. The steel rope will eventually rust.

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best bang for the buck is the one that will pull you out of a hole in the middle of nowhere when it is raining and you are by yourself. I would go with a name brand quality winch Warn mileage maker, ramsey etc. synthetic cable is much lighter but spendy.
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I'm looking at buying a winch for my rubicon but I have a few questions. First I want the best bang for the buck. I'm not sure on a brand. Secondly I've seen that there are steel rope and synthetic rope. What is going to be the bat option?
Here's a post I made awhile back for someone asking about winches, and re-posted in a thread the other day...see links @ bottom concerning techniques, specific recovery gear, etc:

Okay, here's the poop on winches, from my perspective:

Your MINIMUM winch size should be able to pull 1.5x the weight of your vehicle. That's if you're gonna use it for very light duty. Pulling yourself (or someone else) out of deep mud, up an incline, etc, may require a larger size.

For JK's, the lowest size I'd recommend would be an 8000-lb winch. Better would be a WARN 9.5cti-s, or it's equivalent in the brand of your choice.

There are a bunch of things you need to consider before buying a winch. One is line speed, or how fast the winch can let out or take up cable. Winches with faster line speeds are generally more expensive. But you don't really NEED a fast line speed...it's just an option. If you wheel a lot it's a very welcome option. If you wheel infrequently, it may not be worth the cost.

Another factor is the type of motor a winch has. Permanent magnet motors generally have a lower battery draw, overheat easier, and are best for lighter-duty winches. Series wound motors are more heavy duty, and usually more expensive.

Buying a winch with synthetic cable will save weight. It's also safer than cable, since it's not as dangerous if it snaps and whiplashes back at you. Any winch you look at should come with a remote, so you can stand off to the side (much safer) while operating it. You should also use a damper on the line (coat, blanket, etc) to keep it from whipping back if it breaks, especially if you have wire cable.

Most winches stand up pretty well to the elements...you shouldn't need a waterproof version unless you regularly ford streams with the thing.

Good recovery gear is equally important. A quality recovery strap (NOT one w/a metal hook), snatch block, good D-rings, etc can make the difference between driving out and walking out.

Here are some links to winch info, and a couple of winch reviews:


Winch Tech - The Guide to choosing a Winch

Winch Reviews - JeepReviews.com.

Massive Multi-Winch Shootout - Four Wheeler Magazine

Synthetic rope vs. Steel cable

Some info on recovery straps and D-rings:

Talk D-Ring to me....

D ring size -pics-

Let's Talk Recovery Gear

recommendation for recovery straps
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:14 AM   #5
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i have a smittybilt xrc 8 with syn rope... they get a lot of bad comments but i havent had a problem with mine, and there r several ppl in my club that have the same winch and they dont have any issues with theirs as well.. my buddy has a superwinch 9.5i and its done very well.. there is 1 guy in the club that has a warn m8000 and he has to beat it to get it to work..
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We only run Warn winches on our shop rigs. You get what you pay for and the winch is the last thing you want to have issues with on the trail!
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i have a smittybilt xrc 8 with syn rope... they get a lot of bad comments but i havent had a problem with mine, and there r several ppl in my club that have the same winch and they dont have any issues with theirs as well.. my buddy has a superwinch 9.5i and its done very well.. there is 1 guy in the club that has a warn m8000 and he has to beat it to get it to work..
i also have a smittybilt xrc 8, but still with the steel cable. as you've hopefully read in KB's thread, get a damper for the steel cable... a little extra safety precautions are a good thing. in my case, i still have my e-tool and case from the Army.... i just snap the e-tool to the cable when i'm winching..

oh, right the winch. i've used the crap out of this winch. it wasn't my first choice... but i won it. how can you say no to a free winch! anyways, i heard the bad wrap and i was a little leery... but this winch has saved me a few times. and everytime i've needed it... it works. free spool works... no issues! pulled me up a couple things i started and couldn't finish... and kept me from flipping my rig backwards when the front end's been way up in the air.

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Old 01-23-2013, 08:47 AM   #8
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I have the smity bilt xrc8000 w/synn rope on my 2dr JK and have used it on a lot of differant ocassions Ihave pulled out a 1ton dually that was burried to the frame winch moaned a little and I had to have 2other jeeps hooked to me to keep me fom sliding forward but it did the job I have had to use this in some hevy pulls and it has never failed Me If and when it DIES I would buy ANOTHER but will step up to the next size I think 9.5 anyway do your reserch over priced doe's not always mean the best just my 2cent
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Yeah you get what you pay for until your $1000+ Warn breaks like any other budget winch. Look at the 4 Wheel Magazine winch shootout. They had to get a 2nd Warn winch because the first one they had puked its guts out in the submerge test. To me, Warn should have been out right there. I run a Recon winch 10,500 LB capacity, waterproof, synth line, wired and wireless control etc never let me down…Under $500. Also check out Engo winches.

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Yeah you get what you pay for until your $1000+ Warn breaks like any other budget winch. Look at the 4 Wheel Magazine winch shootout. They had to get a 2nd Warn winch because the first one they had puked its guts out in the submerge test. To me, Warn should have been out right there. I run a Recon winch 10,500 LB capacity, waterproof, synth line, wired and wireless control etc never let me down…Under $500. Also check out Engo winches.

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Not taking sides but after reading the article, the Warn winch still took first place...

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Not taking sides but after reading the article, the Warn winch still took first place...

Underservingly. Who has the most ads in our 4x mags and catalogs???? Warn. That is why they won.

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Might look at superwinch made in USA
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Ive got a superwinch 8500 and love it
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I have a Smittybilt X2O 8, used a couple of times (its fairly new) I also have the synth line.
Waterproof and seems to be built well, unless it proves to be a dud I can't ever see needing anything more.
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The real issue is how much do you expect to use your winch? If you plan a lot of serious offroading in mud and other spots where you could get stuck then spend the money for a quality winch with adequate pulling power. And don't forget to get good recovery gear. No winch is any good without it.

I plan only lighter offroading so got the Warn VR8000-S with synthetic rope. Why Warn? Lifetime warranty and reputation. Why rope? Stronger and safer but it will wear out like steel and is not as environment resistant (repeated soakings and some de-icers can break it down). But safety trumps all for me.

If you plan on fording a lot of water then get a waterproof winch. Otherwise, that shouldn't be a factor (why Warn won the shootout). Bottom line, how much you think you will need it will determine price/performance.
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i have a smittybilt xrc 8 with syn rope... they get a lot of bad comments but i havent had a problem with mine, and there r several ppl in my club that have the same winch and they dont have any issues with theirs as well.. my buddy has a superwinch 9.5i and its done very well.. there is 1 guy in the club that has a warn m8000 and he has to beat it to get it to work..
Warns have a lifetime warranty and their customer support is very good. Your buddy should be calling Warn and getting that taken care of.
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Warn is a great winch line. Their new Zeon line is really cool! They have a great warranty and reputaion. They have pulled many out of mud holes in the past.

Now a good "bang for the buck" was also in that artical and did really well. That was the ENGO line. Their are a great winch and comes with steel or synthetic. Prices are hard to beat as well!

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Best warranty in the business seems to be offered by Superwinch on their Talon series. Lifetime on mechanical issues and 3 years on electrical components. Warn only offers a 1 year warranty on the electrical components.

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All winches are good until they quit working for what ever reason. Never going to get everyone to agree on which one to get. We all have our favorites. Guys that buy cheap one really never admit they screwed up. I abuse mine time and time again, I have pulled 3x it rating several times. The only bad winch is not having one at all or having one that doesn't work. I have seen many that work just fine until you submerge them a few times.

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