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Old 09-16-2011, 10:32 AM   #1
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Winter Driving Advice?

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I have a 2011 JKU which is totally stock. I am a bit confused by the 4X4 system here, as I am not sure what to do in the following situation... I know you are not supposed to drive the Wrangler in 4WD on hard dry surfaces. However, during the winters around here, it is pretty typical where the roads will be 80% clear (hard dry surfaces) and about 20% treacherous, icy, and downright nasty. I can think of one area on the interstate that always seems to be dry and ok, then when going under a particular overpass, the other side is pure ice due to the way the wind hits it. Hitting this spot before in just 2WD almost required me to change my pants.

So my question is can I drive in 4WD in conditions like this without doing harm to it? If so, are there any speed limitations, etc...? Of course it would be in 4WD High. My last vehicles were trucks where I could select either full time 4WD or an active system where it automatically goes to 4WD when it detects wheel slippage. Since the Jeep system does not have this, I am confused.

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1) if you know its icy, slow down before you get there.
2) 55 mph is the maximum recomend speed when in 4wd.
3) leave it in 2wd until you need it.

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4WD will slip on ice the same as 2WD. Your ESP system is designed specifically for situation s such as you describe.
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And 4wd High and 4wd Low is all based an Altitude.

Anything above 4500ft sea level you need to use 4 wd High.

Anything below 4500ft sea level your going to need to use 4wd Low.

Check your elevations,, esp. when you travel.
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Are you retarded or just joking?!^

Drive intelligently when the roads are bad. you can change into 4wd on the fly if need be. 4wd will not help you on ice. I would contact the state and have the take care of the road.
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...Scratching my head about that altitude comment.

If you can afford a set of winter tires, that's what I would do. Rotate them in around Dec 1, and off in April (based off where you live). Also, if your area's 4wd drive club does Snow Runs, go on those. Better tires, practice, and slowing down make a big difference.
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Former cop talking from experience: 4wd and antilock brakes don't do a whole lot when it comes to driving on ice. 80% of vehicle accidents in the winter time that I made reports on where from people with both 4wd & antilock brakes who thought they were immune to slipping and skidding on ice, simple because they had those features...its mind blowing.

4wd will help in snow, sure. And the combination may give you better results than a 2wd car, but the scenario you mention - the best course of action is to continue straight (don't change lanes) and always COAST through the small section of underpass...those are notorious in the NE Ohio area for icing up (ie, black ice) while pavement on both sides is clear & dry.

Your Jeep will allow you to drive in a snowstorm with accumulation on the highway in the high speed lane while 2wd cars are crawling along trying to keep traction & stay straight. Accumulated snow is where the 4wd features will help a lot in wintertime.

Ice is ice. Heavy objects are hard to control on it. Use caution traversing it no matter what type of vehicle (although chained & studded tires usually work well - but how many people go to that length?).
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Just remember, 4x4 doesn't give you the ability to drive fast. It gives you the ability to drive in bad conditions. If you slide, turn in the direction of your slide (unless its going in a really bad spot). Stay off the brakes. And if its bad enough that you are worried, use your 4x4. It won't hurt it as long as you are driving in the 30-40 mph range (if the weather is bad enough for 4x4, you shouldn't be going any faster anyways)
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Great advice for 2011 and earlier Jeeps. Especially the altitude. Unfortunately mine does not come with an alt. gauge because the Pentastar just melts the ice and snow and blows away the water anyway. I plan on turning that feature off however so I can safely drift around tight icy corners.
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Just remember, 4x4 doesn't give you the ability to drive fast.
Actually it can and usually does depending on available traction. That doesn't mean you should though.
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1) if you know its icy, slow down before you get there.
2) 55 mph is the maximum recomend speed when in 4wd.
3) leave it in 2wd until you need it.
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I've driven my Hyundai accent in blizzards on un-plowed icy roads.....haven't got stuck or gone off the road. All the while laughing as I pass people in their 4wd vehicles who are spun out or stuck off the road because they lost control.

Just remeber,4wd can't fix stupid!!
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Hi Everyone,

New to the Jeep Wrangler scene and loving it. Been lurking around here for quite a while, but just joined. I have picked up a lot of useful info so far, so thank you!

I have a 2011 JKU which is totally stock. I am a bit confused by the 4X4 system here, as I am not sure what to do in the following situation... I know you are not supposed to drive the Wrangler in 4WD on hard dry surfaces. However, during the winters around here, it is pretty typical where the roads will be 80% clear (hard dry surfaces) and about 20% treacherous, icy, and downright nasty. I can think of one area on the interstate that always seems to be dry and ok, then when going under a particular overpass, the other side is pure ice due to the way the wind hits it. Hitting this spot before in just 2WD almost required me to change my pants.

So my question is can I drive in 4WD in conditions like this without doing harm to it? If so, are there any speed limitations, etc...? Of course it would be in 4WD High. My last vehicles were trucks where I could select either full time 4WD or an active system where it automatically goes to 4WD when it detects wheel slippage. Since the Jeep system does not have this, I am confused.

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After the first snowfall, go find a big & empty parking lot before they plow it.
Practice using 4h and learn how to drive thru the snow as you slip.
Have fun while you re-learn how to drive in snow.
Ice is ice, there is no driving it at highway speeds.
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After the first snowfall, go find a big & empty parking lot before they plow it.
Practice using 4h and learn how to drive thru the snow as you slip.
Have fun while you re-learn how to drive in snow.
Ice is ice, there is no driving it at highway speeds.
^^ great advice.

I would set up cones and try to avoid them, tried different maneuvers. pumping the brakes, sliding etc.
This is my first jeep with anti lock brakes and all that fancy computer stuff. I'll be going at it again this winter. Will probably look like a fool but oh well, its amazing how well you will get to know your vehicle
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nice thread!

Now I need to check the altitude of the city I live in...
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nice thread!

Now I need to check the altitude of the city I live in...
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What you can put in motion in 4wd still obeys the laws of physics once it is in motion and on slippery surfaces. Using 4wd it is not the getting going that is the problem....it is the getting stopped where there is difficulty. It won't matter how many wheels that were driving to put you in motion, when you lock them up no matter what vehicle, if there is no traction it will take something solid like a tree or bridge abutment to make it stop instantaneously. The problem is that when you are stopped instantaneously by a tree or bridge abutment, the instantaneous stop creates wrinkles in the body metal parts .

Given this dilemma, I did this. If you follow the link, you will see how my jeep sneakers change to galoshes for the winter. When I am in 4wd on ice it is like I'm on rails. I still go slow though. Keeps me out of trouble on the road. I'm more worried about other vehicles now. Neat part about it is that I can now steer out of the way as others ice skate by me doing pirouettes.
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What you can put in motion in 4wd still obeys the laws of physics once it is in motion and on slippery surfaces. Using 4wd it is not the getting going that is the problem....it is the getting stopped where there is difficulty. It won't matter how many wheels that were driving to put you in motion, when you lock them up no matter what vehicle, if there is no traction it will take something solid like a tree or bridge abutment to make it stop instantaneously. The problem is that when you are stopped instantaneously by a tree or bridge abutment, the instantaneous stop creates wrinkles in the body metal parts .

Given this dilemma, I did this. If you follow the link, you will see how my jeep sneakers change to galoshes for the winter. When I am in 4wd on ice it is like I'm on rails. I still go slow though. Keeps me out of trouble on the road. I'm more worried about other vehicles now. Neat part about it is that I can now steer out of the way as others ice skate by me doing pirouettes.
Studs to the rescue! Great post. Although I don't stud my tires, I'm more limited than those that do.

And as mentioned...... the biggest problem I see: Folks think 4 wheel drive helps them stop

It helps me go.... get around turns... and basically get home... but it sure enough doesn't help me stop. I live up a mountain that has 2 ski areas... and to see all the barneys off the side of the road (and many down into the crik) always amazes me
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Ran on a Heavy Rescue ( jaws ) unit for about 10 years. 4 wheel drive will get you going in the crap, it will not help you stop. The unplowed parking lot is exactly what I did with my girls when they started to drive, learn how your jeep handles, it is different than a truck, so get to know it, it's an awesome thing a Jeep in winter time!!
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^^ and really awesome on winter studs....totally awesome on chains.
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After driving in MD for nine winters, and Colorado (Aspen) for one in my TJ with no ABS and no TC on 33x10.5" BFG ATs, I know I'm going to spend some time in a parking lot when the first white stuff falls. I'm sure the TC and rear brake control are going to throw off how I react. Should be fun! Never got stuck once -- and the winter I spent in Aspen was '07/8 when we got around 60' of snow.

I usually just drive like I'm jello: all driving inputs are slowed and numbed down. No quick steering, no quick acceleration, and no quick braking. Everything is slow, except the smile that grows on my face passing everyone or yanking out people from the bank.
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Around here the vast majority of stuck vehicles in the winter are either AWD or 4WD. People driving them think they can stop in snow and ice like they do on dry pavement. Typically they are the people piling up, if they survive I hope they learn from the experience.
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With Kentucky winters what they are here,we adjust our driving habits by the minute.If it's snowing I use 4WD.If it's sleeting or icy 2WD.Think of the gas pedal like the brake,as you approach the top of a hill let off the gas.Slow is always best when in doubt about road conditions. I watch the morning weather before I leave the house,and sometimes I even sit my foot down on the pavement before pulling out on the highway.On the subject of ice always use caution,black ice is invisible,it's better to be late then not to be at all! Common sense people is all it takes.Drive like you expect the bridges to be slick. (They usually are.)
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Great advice on the test driving in a empty parking lot. Much better learning stopping distances and turning before you realize you can't stop as you rear end someone. I learned how to drive in snow that way in a 5.0 Mustang. Was a great car to learn with. Short wheelbase, little traction, and plenty of power. If you can keep that going in the right direction, everything else is easy. Of course I wasn't exactly sliding around in parking lots for pure educational purposes at the time. All that messing around has saved me quite a few times through out the years. Nothing beats first hand experience.
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And 4wd High and 4wd Low is all based an Altitude.

Anything above 4500ft sea level you need to use 4 wd High.

Anything below 4500ft sea level your going to need to use 4wd Low.

Check your elevations,, esp. when you travel.
Dang! I just bought an 09 JK X and I live in a city that is 32 ft. below sea level. I knew that I should have looked for a Rubicon with its lower ratio transfer case. I hope that the X will be suffice until I can have the transfer case rebuilt to the below sea level specifications. That way I will be ready for ice or snow. It is bound to happen since it snowed a few flakes here in 1932.
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Dang! I just bought an 09 JK X and I live in a city that is 32 ft. below sea level. I knew that I should have looked for a Rubicon with its lower ratio transfer case. I hope that the X will be suffice until I can have the transfer case rebuilt to the below sea level specifications. That way I will be ready for ice or snow. It is bound to happen since it snowed a few flakes here in 1932.
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So you can put 4wd high while moving..I would stop then swich over...can u also go from 4 to 2 while on the fly?
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Don't use cruise control on the highway in the winter. That is the simplest way to wreck. Also just leave it in 2wd if the road is mostly clear. If there is accumulated snow then 4w hi is fine.

Like said above find a parking lot and practaice. 4wd/awd vhicles tend to push some when your not on the gas with the tires spinning.

And to those who say 4wd will not help you stop... Not 100% true. If you know how to drive and have a manual trasmission, 4wd can help you stop. You down shift and let the drivetrain weight/resistance slow you down. Most of the time in the winter I only hit my brakes under 10mph.

Now it will not help you stop if your trying to do ludicrious speed and need to stop on a dime. But can help you in low speed stops.
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So you can put 4wd high while moving..I would stop then swich over...can u also go from 4 to 2 while on the fly?
You can go from 2hi to 4hi up to 50mph I believe. And the reverse is true also. Now I wouldn't do it at 50mph personally but I have had no issues shifting on the fly at 25mph or so. I do atleast clutch in while I switch.

Now you have to come to a complete stop or a very slow roll to go into 4lo.

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