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Old 08-16-2009, 07:32 PM   #1
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Wrangler Diesel?

Hello, I'm new to the forum but not new to Jeeps. Over a decade ago I owned an 89 YJ (4.2L, Weber carb, 2.5" Rancho Lift, etc etc.) Loved it I was young and single, great memories. Today, married with a 2 1/2 yr old daughter I've been looking to replace my wife's Toyota Rav4 with an Unlimited Sahara. We both love it but the weight of that truck with it's poor engine choice leaves me wanting more. Now I've read my few bits here and there regarding the reasons we do not have the European option of the CRD 2.8L diesels, (emissions, demand, etc) but should I give up thinking that Chrysler is going to offer something similar for us in the near future? How awesome would it be to have such a capable vehicle with good power, a BOATLOAD of torque and 40mpg to boot! Man please tell it's going to happen because as much as my wife and I love it, I will not trade in her 25mpg suv for 15mpg not matter how much cooler it is.

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No telling but as of now they don't have plans for it.

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Old 08-16-2009, 08:17 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, I came across the AEV website before doing some "diesel wrangler" googling. Awesome stuff, big money though for the average joe.
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Indeed it is. Sad part is if jeep does produce one for the american public, it will also probally come with a hefty price tag. Most likely more than the fully loaded rubicon.

The prices of Diesel vehicles always tends to be higher then the ol' gasser. Compare the diesel liberty prices to the gas engine liberty's. Huge price differance. And with Jeep knowing for a LONG time that the wrangler scene has been looking forward to the production of a diesel wrangler there sure to slap a few numbers on the price.
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Hello, I'm new to the forum but not new to Jeeps. Over a decade ago I owned an 89 YJ (4.2L, Weber carb, 2.5" Rancho Lift, etc etc.) Loved it I was young and single, great memories. Today, married with a 2 1/2 yr old daughter I've been looking to replace my wife's Toyota Rav4 with an Unlimited Sahara. We both love it but the weight of that truck with it's poor engine choice leaves me wanting more. Now I've read my few bits here and there regarding the reasons we do not have the European option of the CRD 2.8L diesels, (emissions, demand, etc) but should I give up thinking that Chrysler is going to offer something similar for us in the near future? How awesome would it be to have such a capable vehicle with good power, a BOATLOAD of torque and 40mpg to boot! Man please tell it's going to happen because as much as my wife and I love it, I will not trade in her 25mpg suv for 15mpg not matter how much cooler it is.
15 mpg is on the low end of the scale and a Wrangler V6 is hardly a poor engine choice compared to a Rav4 (did you really call it a suv?)
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:55 PM   #6
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15 mpg is the book number is it not? I'm not making it up, god forbid you floor it, 95% of our driving is city driving. The V6 is a poor choice because it is the ONLY choice. And yes again, the Rav4 is a solid little SUV with mediocre power but great gas mileage and it only asks for gas and oil changes because it also happens to be a Toyota. But please, I'm only comparing the fuel consumption between the two, not their on/off-roading capabilities. A jeep is a jeep.
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Have you thought about the CRD liberty? Mite fit your liking.
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Nah, I don't like it. I miss the open top and just love the look of the 4dr Wrangler, just a great weekend vehicle.
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Well then your stuck with the 15mpgs or the high dollar price tag for the conversion sorry. I can say They wont be producing them for 2010.

Maybe we'll get lucky in 2011.
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Maybe.
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I think it would be cool if Jeep eventually did offer a diesel in the wrangler. I'd get that option if it was offered. I wouldn't try to convert an existing gas powered jeep to a diesel though by doing a motor swap.

But if it came from the factory that way, yeah! diesel motors last forever don't they? But so does the 4.0, almost... not sure about the 3.7
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15 mpg is the book number is it not? I'm not making it up, god forbid you floor it, 95% of our driving is city driving. The V6 is a poor choice because it is the ONLY choice. And yes again, the Rav4 is a solid little SUV with mediocre power but great gas mileage and it only asks for gas and oil changes because it also happens to be a Toyota. But please, I'm only comparing the fuel consumption between the two, not their on/off-roading capabilities. A jeep is a jeep.
15 is the "book number." 2009 Jeep Wrangler Fuel Economy Information - Autotropolis.com. It is actually 15 to 19. You said you get 25 from the Rav4, yet the "book number for that is only 22. 2009 Toyota RAV4 Fuel Economy Information - Autotropolis.com
25 is the mid range. So let's say you got 17 from the Jeep. That's a difference of 8 mpg. That's the difference you need to decide if you can live with. It has nothing to do with the 3.8 verses the 4.0. Either would have given those numbers. If fuel economy is your main concern then look at the Jeep Patriot. It's a fairer comparison to the Rav4 and get's slighter better mileage. 2009 Jeep Patriot Fuel Economy Information - Autotropolis.com
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:05 AM   #13
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Like I said before, I was only comparing the mpgs on the Rav4 to the Wrangler, nothing else. Two vehicles in to very different weight/engine classes. I know what I'm up against if I want a new Wrangler, I'm not looking to go from a little SUV into another little SUV. I really like the 4dr Wrangler and I just wish they had a diesel option from the factory.
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Like I said before, I was only comparing the mpgs on the Rav4 to the Wrangler, nothing else. Two vehicles in to very different weight/engine classes. I know what I'm up against if I want a new Wrangler, I'm not looking to go from a little SUV into another little SUV. I really like the 4dr Wrangler and I just wish they had a diesel option from the factory.
Not happening any time soon.
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i also drive like 99 percent of the time city, i have an srt-4 for highway driving, and i still have seen 18.5 mpg. i will have to say that i drove it pretty damn slow most of the time keeping the revs under 2500, but its worth it to get almost 20 mpg in my jeep.
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I wish clean diesel was an option for the Wrangler. I would gladly pay a premium for it.
My wife's Bluetec GL (5,500lbs.) gets 28mpg on the highway. We need to wake up in this country... clean diesel burns so much better than gas not only in mileage, but emissions. The days of stinky, soot spewing diesels in the 80's are over. But people will only see the light if they buy a one. /sorryforthedieselrant
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No rant, you're speaking the truth. Let's just hope these engine manufacturers man up and offer an engine formula that is 50-state legal and affordable.
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By the way, this was Chrysler's response I received today on my Diesel Wrangler enquiry:

Dear Al:

Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.

We are happy to hear about your passion for our products as we have a
passion for creating and driving them. We are sure you can understand
that for competitive reasons we are limited on what we can discuss on
our future product plans.

Chrysler Group has introduced a record number of new products for 2007,
2008 and 2009 model years and will continue to bring significant new
vehicles to market in future years. Please stay close to the Jeep web
sites and listen for press announcements as this exciting story unfolds.

You can visit the website at: Official Jeep Site - 4x4 SUV, Sport Utility Vehicle for information that has been
released about current and future product information.

Thanks again for your email.

Sincerely,

Sharon Nelson

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In other words.....no answer but thank you anyway.
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By the way, this was Chrysler's response I received today on my Diesel Wrangler enquiry:

Dear Al:

Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center.

We are happy to hear about your passion for our products as we have a
passion for creating and driving them. We are sure you can understand
that for competitive reasons we are limited on what we can discuss on
our future product plans.

Chrysler Group has introduced a record number of new products for 2007,
2008 and 2009 model years and will continue to bring significant new
vehicles to market in future years. Please stay close to the Jeep web
sites and listen for press announcements as this exciting story unfolds.

You can visit the website at: Official Jeep Site - 4x4 SUV, Sport Utility Vehicle for information that has been
released about current and future product information.

Thanks again for your email.

Sincerely,

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Customer Service Representative
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In other words.....no answer but thank you anyway.
Looks like you got a classic copy and paste scripted answer.
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lol, seriously.
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Trust me, you do not want the CRD engine in your Wrangler. I used to own a Liberty CRD. Ex-wife has it now. It starts out gettng 28 mpg on the highway, but the mileage gradually decreases until you are lucky to get 20 mpg. It also has horrible turbo-lag. You stomp down on the accelerator to pass and nothing happens for 2-3 seconds, then a HUGE cloud of thick black soot comes out the tailpipe, followed by a very modest acceleration. The EGR system is junk. It fills the engine with abrasive soot and plugs up the intake system. Eventually the EGR fails. Chysler's answer: put a $8 bottle of Power Service in each tank of already expensive diesel fuel. European version of the VM 2.8 does not have the EGR, and they supposedly run great. EPA ruined the US version. Tell me how an engine that gets 20 mpg is better for the environment than one that gets 30?
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You nailed it on the head, the US EGR system was a disaster and ultimately robbed the engine of all advantages. I'm sure pending emissions legislation has all the engineers scratching their heads.
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Agreed with Mike on the CRD.
My reference was for clean diesel technology... ala VW, BMW and Mercedes Benz. The diesel on my wife's Benz emits less pollution per highway mile than a gasoline hybrid. The Government even classifies it as a "Hybrid Powertrain."
The Chrysler/VM CRD is not "clean diesel" technology... but surely they can engineer it to be. Or, simply, buy engines from VW, Benz or BMW. But this will likely not happen due to the American population will not accept diesel.
I am, by no means, an environmental person... but getting great gas mileage and emitting less pollutants is a win-win.
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Would the EGR fail using Bio Fuel?
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No telling but as of now they don't have plans for it.

AEV "american expidition vechiles'' Does how ever have a kit to put the diesel in the JK but is pricey. Also you can order a AEV JK with the diesel.

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Also welcome to the forum. We all hope jeep makes this an option in the near future.
Holy Crap....That is some serious equipment. Buying more lottery tickets today.

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