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Old 02-05-2011, 11:29 AM   #61
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sorry to say this but... that guy is a douche ^

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Go to a dealership and start looking in person!

Then go out for a test drive and you will know first hand if Jeeps are in your blood

Geez my 1985 CJ7 is so reliable that I was sold after my first test drive in a new JK. My 11 JK arrived last week and I am loving it!!! Plenty of power for me with the 6 speed with 3.73s





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Old 02-06-2011, 09:19 AM   #63
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Does anyone if significant changes are coming to the wrangler 2 door in future years and what are they?

The price wii go up. What a dumb ass question!
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Old 02-06-2011, 10:49 AM   #64
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The price wii go up. What a dumb ass question!
I see a lot of dumbass questions on the forum but that one is just asking for a re-cap. Not so bad.

They are changing the engine over to the 3.6l Pentastar engine starting MY2012. This is reported to inprove power and fuel economy (I'm optimistic that those things will both happen but we'll see). It will also run on e85 (Out of gas? Find a corn field).

Supposibly, they are going to add a gear to the auto tranny. Not solid on what (if anything) they are going to do with the manual.

Black will return as an available color.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:42 PM   #65
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May I suggest JK-Forum.com - The Ultimate Jeep JK Wrangler Bulletin Board or perhaps JKOwners.com - The community for Jeep JK Owners? I'm sure you'll find them to be much different than here. Good luck getting your 2012. Maybe when you finally own a Wrangler you'll understand the "Jeep thing."
As I am also on JK-Forum.com - The Ultimate Jeep JK Wrangler Bulletin Board I can bet you he'd would not recieve any better reaction than he's getting here. And I use the same log in name on both site's.
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:14 AM   #66
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Wrangler was also near the bottom of the most recent JD Power quality study.

But hey, what's the point? You'll just tell me how their study doesn't matter either.

I'm not going to take the time to post links, they're out there if you want to take your head out of the sand and find them.

Lets do this since you're such a defender of the Wranglers reliability, show me a quality study where they're near the top.

I'll be waiting.
JD Powers no longer has ANY credibility, especially after it became public that they were skewing results.

As for Consumer Reports, I wouldn't take their words for ANYTHING. They've reported that Audis and VWs have tons of problems, yet I owned a 2002 GTI which never hiccuped once, and we now own a 2009 Audi A3, and it's the same story.

Consumer Reports has consistently suggested that the Subaru WRX will have below-average reliability ratings. I own a 2005 STi with nearly 102,000 miles on it, and it has cost me $300 in repairs, not including basic maintenance.

Jeeps and sports cars notoriously receive poor marks for reliability, but I absolutely disagree that most of these issues are quality issues. People beat the living Hell out of these vehicles. Abuse leads to problems. Pay to play.

When people are having problems, they're going to be upset, and talk about it. If their vehicles are falling apart, they're not going to deny it when asked about it for the sake of "taking one for the team." Maybe things are different here, but if I were having problems, I'd make sure to let everyone know as a warning to everyone to "be prepared."

Do I own a Jeep? No, I do not. Have I ever owned a Jeep? No, I have not. Do I plan on owning a Jeep? Hopefully, sooner than later. Am I nervous about owning a Jeep? Of course, I've never owned a Jeep. I'm always nervous whenever I jump to a brand in which I haven't had experience.

IMO, if Jeeps were so bad, they wouldn't carry such high resale values.
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:30 AM   #67
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No need to be nervous Dan. The Jeep Wrangler is as reliable as anything else would be that is used the same way. I've owned a few dozen of them.
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No need to be nervous Dan. The Jeep Wrangler is as reliable as anything else would be that is used the same way. I've owned a few dozen of them.
I will probably go with a manual, even though I'd probably prefer an automatic, but being a car enthusiast, and (I'm not exaggerating here...) hearing from friends and family members who have owned a Chrysler product, each of them have at least one "Chrysler failed transmission" story to tell.

I'm sure times have changed since, but years ago, my uncle had worked for a company, and they had 10 (2nd generation) Dodge Intrepids as company vehicles. Within 40,000 miles, 8 of them had new transmissions, and the other 2 had transmissions replaced by 50,000 miles.

One of my wife's friends have a 1st generation Dodge Durango, and within having 36,000 miles on it, she already had a transmission replaced, and then another one before the vehicle hit 55,000 miles. For some reason, she still owns this vehicle, and the last time we saw her, she mentioned she now had around 85,000 miles on it (a few months ago?), and that transmission was starting to slip. Driver error?

I've also heard that Chrysler do NOT like to honor their warranties, and will kick and fight over even the simplest of things, and common practice with them is to "blame the customer." I'm hoping some of you can shed some light on this one.

Horror stories. Because of these issues, I've tried my best to steer very clear of Chrysler vehicles, or at least the ones with automatic transmissions. I haven't heard anything good or bad, either way, about the manuals, so that just tells me they aren't a problem.

Admittedly, I really have my reservations about trading in my STi, which has proved to be dead-on reliable, for a Chrysler product. I'm nervous. However, in the grand scheme of things, I'm trying my best to keep the faith that when I do get a Jeep, and if I have problems, Chrysler's not going to put me out in the cold.

All things aside, I'm hopeful in my decision for a Jeep to be my next vehicle, as I still do see a lot of old ones on the road, and in all honesty, I have NEVER seen one stranded on the side of the road, resulting from a breakdown. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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TO FOLLOWUP ON (CON ARTIST) WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ??

I've had 3 Dodge Ramchargers and one Cuda all with A727 auto trannys-abused/raced/strained for a total of probably 250,000 miles-NEVER HAD A MOMENT of TROUBLE-

Now with my '08 JKU, because of the overheating (Possibility), I've corrected that and the tranny is great-

I've also employed an AEVPM to mod shift points, because of lift/tires/ wheels/trailer-etc

The 6-speed manual has troublee with Jumping outta Gear (JOG) and that has been close to distasterous, so pick and choose-

The 2012 JK/JKU is rumored to be using the 5-spd AUTO-I don't know which one, but I'll always stay with Chryslers Autos--

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I've also heard that Chrysler do NOT like to honor their warranties, and will kick and fight over even the simplest of things, and common practice with them is to "blame the customer." I'm hoping some of you can shed some light on this one.
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I've actually had more problems with GM not honoring their warranty than I have with Chrysler. I do have a Chrysler transmission story to tell though. A '97 Wrangler TJ that I took to Four Wheeler Magazine's Top Truck Challenge in '97, and competed in the competition. It was a good thing that I trailered the Jeep to the event, because by the end of the event the transmission wasn't shifting normally. I towed it home and took it to the local Jeep dealership, and they pulled the pan to see what was wrong, only to have a bucket full of broken parts and metal shards fall out on the ground. For some reason, towing a loaded dump truck up a hill at wide open throttle had caused transmission problems, or maybe it was the water that got into the transmission. The alternator needed replaced as well after that event. The dealership replaced everything under warranty, and they knew what I had used the Jeep for. It is the dealership that determines warranty coverage, not Chrysler. If the dealer submits it as a warranty claim, Chrysler pays it. Too bad there are some really bad dealers out there.

Good luck with your Jeep when you get it. I think you'll be fine.
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I've had issues with GM transmissions, but never Chrylser. My first Jeep was an AMC 1980 CJ7. It had a Chrysler automatic transmission in it and never had an issue.
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I've had issues with GM transmissions, but never Chrylser. My first Jeep was an AMC 1980 CJ7. It had a Chrysler automatic transmission in it and never had an issue.
I burned out the tranny in my first car getting stuck in snow banks, completely my fault really. It was a New Yorker and I *think* the transmission was actually the same as what's in the JK's now. Too long ago to remember but it had to have at least 65K miles on it.
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Is there any word from Chrysler about using a different manual tranny in the 2012's ? I just looked up the NSG370 on Wikipedia and it says the tranny is "sourced from Mercedes" so you would think it would be a decent tranny. It also said it likes synthetic fluid like Redline MTL. I wonder if that would make any difference with the JOG issue. And do you guys think the JOG issue is overblown? like maybe only one out of 1000 have a problem? I know the '05 and '06 TJs had the same tranny and I don't see much on the TJ forum about a JOG problem in those years. I'm doing my homework in case I decide to get a JK down the road
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As I am also on JK-Forum.com - The Ultimate Jeep JK Wrangler Bulletin Board I can bet you he'd would not recieve any better reaction than he's getting here. And I use the same log in name on both site's.
Waste-o-lyfe's house? Ummm, that's not exactly something to brag about.
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Waste-o-lyfe's house? Ummm, that's not exactly something to brag about.
Isn't that the place where you get banned in like 0.2 seconds?
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:03 PM   #76
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I own an 08 JK Unlimited 74,000 miles
I like my jeep But
I have replaced the back and front brakes
There are not enough cup holders
Seems to not have enough power
Seems to burn oil and Jeep has no answer and I change my oil every 3000 miles
I have not had any problems with anything breaking or no Death Wobble
The only thing I have done to my jeep is a Tera Flex 2.5 lift and other minor mods
Everybody will have their own thing to say about what they live or hate about the jeep

I suggest you ask questions and read what you can find and go test drive one. Then make up your mind.
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Waste-o-lyfe's house? Ummm, that's not exactly something to brag about.
Yup I will brag about it any time.Their JK Sticker is on the side of my JKU.
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I'm fairly new to this forum...but not forums. On JK, GC SRT8, Swede speed, G35 Driver - now this one.

I've had 11 or so Jeeps since 1997 - and of all the cars I have owned (44 total - Jeep to BMW to Volvo to Saab to Infiniti) the Jeeps have always had the least amount of issues. The only major one (if you can call it that) was the first off the line 2007 Sahara in black where they missed painting a part of the body inside the door panels and you could see primer. All mechanical stuff has been a walk in the park compared to my other brands.

The 11's - which i'm buying my Sahara this week - address the luxo/noise issues with the interior. 12 will address the power. Whatever really - this is a Jeep not a LuxoSUV - it's not supposed to go 0-100 in 12 seconds.

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TO FOLLOWUP ON (CON ARTIST) WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ??

I've had 3 Dodge Ramchargers and one Cuda all with A727 auto trannys-abused/raced/strained for a total of probably 250,000 miles-NEVER HAD A MOMENT of TROUBLE-

Now with my '08 JKU, because of the overheating (Possibility), I've corrected that and the tranny is great-

I've also employed an AEVPM to mod shift points, because of lift/tires/ wheels/trailer-etc

The 6-speed manual has troublee with Jumping outta Gear (JOG) and that has been close to distasterous, so pick and choose-

The 2012 JK/JKU is rumored to be using the 5-spd AUTO-I don't know which one, but I'll always stay with Chryslers Autos--

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What does what tell me? Everyone knows a 727 Torque-Flite is one of the best trannies to ever find its way under a vehicle, but I don't think these newer vehicles have them.

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I've actually had more problems with GM not honoring their warranty than I have with Chrysler. I do have a Chrysler transmission story to tell though. A '97 Wrangler TJ that I took to Four Wheeler Magazine's Top Truck Challenge in '97, and competed in the competition. It was a good thing that I trailered the Jeep to the event, because by the end of the event the transmission wasn't shifting normally. I towed it home and took it to the local Jeep dealership, and they pulled the pan to see what was wrong, only to have a bucket full of broken parts and metal shards fall out on the ground. For some reason, towing a loaded dump truck up a hill at wide open throttle had caused transmission problems, or maybe it was the water that got into the transmission. The alternator needed replaced as well after that event. The dealership replaced everything under warranty, and they knew what I had used the Jeep for. It is the dealership that determines warranty coverage, not Chrysler. If the dealer submits it as a warranty claim, Chrysler pays it. Too bad there are some really bad dealers out there.

Good luck with your Jeep when you get it. I think you'll be fine.
I've heard from a lot of people that they've had problems with GM addressing warranty issues, but I've never had a problem with them; bring the car in, and it's fixed, no questions asked. I guess as with the Chrysler dealers, it must be the GM dealers?

That's awesome that Chrysler covered those issues for you. Is the issue with the 6spd jumping out of gear something common? Is there any idea of what causes this to happen?

I had my 4L60E transmission in my Camaro go bad at around 135,000 miles, then had it rebuilt, and the rebuild didn't last 15,000 miles. Then, I had it rebuilt again, and it exploded. The THIRD rebuild was apparently the charm. I don't blame GM for these disasters, but the "highly recommended" shops that did shoddy work.

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