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Old 02-23-2013, 09:54 PM   #31
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I don't know of this has happened to you guys at all, but WAY too many people ask me if my top is removable and if so, if they can buy a permanent top version. I found that crazy, but beilive it or not A LOT of people (not jeep people) want a permanent top jeep. Even at the auto show, I heard a lot of mumbling of "wish I can just keep the top permanently on, and there wasn't any bolt on crap".I was SHOCKED

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I dont believe Jeep will ever do it though, its like making a pick-up truck without a rear cargo. It destroys the meaning of the vehicle. Speaking of trucks, I do expect a Wrangler truck.

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I live in Washington state. There are cities here where the laws are enforced.

You are something else dude. Seriously? Unless you've lived in every city in the US, how the hell would you know?
I don't that's why I asked. How sad that something so stupid is passed as a law. Adults wearing required to wear bicycle helmets? That's some crazy stuff. What's even crazier is trying to compare it to a seatbelt law. (which should be a personal choice as well). However in neither case is someone "forced" to comply.

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I don't that's why I asked. How sad that something so stupid is passed as a law. Adults wearing required to wear bicycle helmets? That's some crazy stuff. What's even crazier is trying to compare it to a seatbelt law. (which should be a personal choice as well). However in neither case is someone "forced" to comply.
Ok dude. Legally mandating an activity is "forcing" someone to do it. Come on. I guess no one is "forced" to pay taxes since you can always leave the country. Or no one is "forced" to drive in the right hand lane.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:24 PM   #34
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So like I was saying, there are some places that will force you to wear a bicycle helmet. What bearing that has on the future of convertibles or doorless Jeeps, I don't know.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:29 PM   #36
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My girl friend doesn't come with this feature...
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:32 PM   #37
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My girl friend doesn't come with this feature...
That's usually a good thing in that case.
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I don't know of this has happened to you guys at all, but WAY too many people ask me if my top is removable and if so, if they can buy a permanent top version. I found that crazy, but beilive it or not A LOT of people (not jeep people) want a permanent top jeep. Even at the auto show, I heard a lot of mumbling of "wish I can just keep the top permanently on, and there wasn't any bolt on crap".I was SHOCKED

I dont believe Jeep will ever do it though, its like making a pick-up truck without a rear cargo. It destroys the meaning of the vehicle. Speaking of trucks, I do expect a Wrangler truck.
The first Liberty was ALMOST a four door, permanent top, Wrangler. The independent front suspension nixed that. I honestly think that a liberty with a solid front axle could be a fantastic overland vehicle and destroy the Land Rover, Toyota FJ, and Nissan Xterra from a capability stand point.
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Leave it to daggo to argue over bicycle helmets for no reason
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That's usually a good thing in that case.
For her, yes. For my ears, no.
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Leave it to daggo to argue over bicycle helmets for no reason
Actually it had more to do with inane "safety" laws, which is where the thread was headed regarding open top vehicles. The less intrusive the government is, the better.
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The less intrusive the government is, the better.
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WTF is this? Gross!!!!!!

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:05 AM   #44
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That would be the new Cherokee, the replacement for the Liberty. Ugly little bastard, isn't it? If it wasn't for the seven-slot grille I would refuse to believe it was even vaguely related to my Wrangler.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:57 AM   #45
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The question was where are they "forced". I have never heard of these ridiculous laws ever being enforced.
NJ as well. The parents obviously get the. Fine.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:48 AM   #46
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:48 AM   #47
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Not sure why they say the wrangler will "burst onto the scene in 3 different forms." The 2-door has been around forever and the 4 door will have been around for nearly a decade at that point. So why not just say "a wrangler truck is planned for 2016"?
Because you're wrong. They'll be removing the sport and sahara and will be adding the mall crawler and "the situation" models! Rubicon will still be built but only on a per order basis, to assist the 5% of the target market that will actually take it off road
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What's even crazier is trying to compare it to a seatbelt law. (which should be a personal choice as well). However in neither case is someone "forced" to comply.
No, what is crazy is someone who doesn't understand the similarities between the two.

No, you do not HAVE to wear a seatbelt. You can continue to get a ticket for it and suffer the consequences. You do not HAVE to wear a helmet. You can crash and bust your head wide open and have the rest of us get our insurance premiums raised because of your stupidity.

It's a safety issue. If you don't like it, don't ride.
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There's where you're wrong I'm not stupid enough to crash on a bicycle. . I haven't fallen off of one since I was 6 and even then just skinned my knee. By today's nanny state standards I shouldn't even be alive.
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There's where you're wrong I'm not stupid enough to crash on a bicycle. . I haven't fallen off of one since I was 6 and even then just skinned my knee. By today's nanny state standards I shouldn't even be alive.
I'm glad to know the the hundreds of people who die a year getting run over by cars while they are riding a bike were merely stupid.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:40 PM   #51
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It's certainly not smart to ride in traffic is it?

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