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Old 05-27-2012, 07:13 PM   #91
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Hakeem,

Are the wranglers white? Just like 90% of all the other vehicles...lol

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Old 05-27-2012, 08:07 PM   #92
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So what about the Tatra 8x8 and Unimog 505?

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Old 05-27-2012, 08:43 PM   #93
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Don't think those qualify in this topic.. those are more offroad only rides. Might as well be tanks on wheels.. This is more a talk about 4x4's that are practical for on road use that are capible offroad vehlciles as well.. To which as we know there is the Wrangler then everyone else trying to catch up.. Exception being the PW which has been refered to as the wranglers big brother
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"most pommies are wankers anyway"

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Old 05-27-2012, 10:04 PM   #96
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Great thread! Lots of entertaining responses!

My first thought when I read "high end off-roaders" was the Bowler Wildcat. Love it.

Seen every episode of Top Gear since it came back on the air. I'm a Yank but grew up in England and Australia. If you don't appreciate the British sense of humor, then you wouldn't like Top Gear. But regardless, the US version just sucks!! Top Gear Australia is way better!
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:44 PM   #97
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Sooooo what if you have almost 70k tied up in your wrangler? Does that make it a "highend offroader" (Yes I have nav, dvd, ac , powerwindows & mirrors(when the doors are on)and cruse.) or just a wrangler?

Im thinking I probly wont ever run into anything that cost that much off the shelf on the trails I run. Come to think of it the only places that they can go that I wont try is a parking garage thats 7' or less.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:58 PM   #98
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I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
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I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
Lol H2 beast? Your whole post has now become invalid!
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I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
FJ Cruiser... Independent suspension vs solid axle makes them not alike on the trail
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:28 AM   #101
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Well, at around 8,500 lbs, I suppose I should have called the H2 a lumbering Behemoth and not a Beast.

I do not rock-crawl, so IFS suits my needs just fine and is a lot more composed at speed. Heck, I took my 4Runner (V8, Center Diff Lock, FJ TRD suspension) to Moab and it did very well and it is way more composed on faster rough roads at speeds that I could not maintain on my JK. The FJ does a bit better than my 4R. I think articulation and rock crawling is where the IFS falls behind, while faster stuff (like desert racing, fireroads, gravel roads, etc.) IFS is just a lot faster and more composed.

I'd really like to keep my Jeep, and add a Land Cruiser and Range Rover to the collection, and rig them up nicely. If only I come into some money.....
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Oh, my buddy picked this up a while ago (he is a mall crawler, sadly) and I think it looks fantastic and hear it does extremely well offroad. Not sure what year though. After two disastrous LR Discovery experiences, he got the Defender.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:23 AM   #103
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Hakeem,

Are the wranglers white? Just like 90% of all the other vehicles...lol
Hahaha, you know Saudi I see. Most vehicles were white or light brown before. The Wranglers, FJs and Hummers are all a variety of colors though. The Wrangler dealer here had only a few colors available, we don't have the full choice, so unfortunately they can't all be white.

I have a black one which, while a nice color, is not really the best for a hot and sunny country. The good news is that the soft top seems to prevent the car from becoming an oven while parked. The white Hyundai I drove before was much worse in that respect.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:08 AM   #104
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Well, at around 8,500 lbs, I suppose I should have called the H2 a lumbering Behemoth and not a Beast.

I do not rock-crawl, so IFS suits my needs just fine and is a lot more composed at speed. Heck, I took my 4Runner (V8, Center Diff Lock, FJ TRD suspension) to Moab and it did very well and it is way more composed on faster rough roads at speeds that I could not maintain on my JK. The FJ does a bit better than my 4R. I think articulation and rock crawling is where the IFS falls behind, while faster stuff (like desert racing, fireroads, gravel roads, etc.) IFS is just a lot faster and more composed.

I'd really like to keep my Jeep, and add a Land Cruiser and Range Rover to the collection, and rig them up nicely. If only I come into some money.....
Just busting your chops. Thats where IFS is better than SA is when youre doing more quick jarring, multiple rut driving like rally. Id take IFS all day.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:23 AM   #105
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I watch Top Gear a lot, and I'm curious. They are always going on about Range Rovers, Land Cruisers, Mercedes G class wagon, etc... I don't think I've ever seen them test anything Jeep.

Is this just British bias? I'm curious how like a JKUR would shape up vs these expensive vehicles in a purely off-road sense
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How can the Top Gear be British biased when none of the listed 4x4's are really British.
I live a 5 minute drive from the solihull Land Rover factory so I have many friends and family who work there I even foolishly turned a spanner there myself for a short time, so yes we make them like we make many other cars but hardly any car that's built here have been British owned for many years. Even a lot of the parts for Land Rover products come from other countries it's just assembled in England.
German BMW have owned Land Rover, When Ford owned it there was always rumours going around the factory it may be moved to the US to be built, now the Indian company Tata own Land Rover.
I've owned many wranglers over the years and would love to see them on Top Gear but unfortunately Wranglers just aren't very popular in England were the Op list of 4x4's are, mainly down to them being easier and cheaper to buy and run.
I agreed a lot with SEACOMMS reply #83(Downunder Dave) earlier comments until I read his last statement, then realised his intellect was the same as the most famous thing to come from Austrailia which was a Kangaroo called Skippy.
What else Has Austrailia done for this world, its given us Kylie who now lives in London, it's not added nothing of use to the world just idiots like Downunder Dave and if the world was a doughnut, Austrailia would be the hole, so I'd rather be a British W*nker than an Aussie.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:25 PM   #106
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Clarkson & Hammond are DICKS ! 5th gear is a much better auto show. That said I would love a 108 Landrover.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:29 PM   #107
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Well here's a review...bought my 2dr JK brand new, and in 2.5 yrs we've got 70k. Running in just about any condition imaginable, except the desert....Zero...repeat, Zero mechanical failures, still running the original BFG KM's and brake pads....

I could have purchased any vehicle that I desired when I bought the JK....fact is, I did not want to be without a Wrangler, ah, the most easily modified, repaired, and all around best vehicle for pretty much any purpose imaginable.....

I also don't buy into the "opinion" of the idiot Toyota freak, that ity takes $15k to make a JK into a good adventure vehicle.....but, even it if did, the JK would still come in at less $$$ that all those other vehicles mentioned in the idiots post...So Mr. Toyota idiot....you don't even want to go there......better yet, go away...
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My only other non-Jeep passion has not been mentioned. I have had 4 H1's and really like them for what they are. They are relatives to the Jeep as well

this is a prime "american" example of why the jeep should always be high on a list of capable 4x4s. AM General H1 originaly built to replace the original jeep, had to meet standards set by the original jeep. Land Rover, originaly built on a jeep frame, not much more modification than building a custom aluminum body after the original jeep body had rusted off. the original jeep pretty much created the class and the brits would be wise to pay homage to were their "super" 4x4 came from cus it wouldent exist without the jeep

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