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Old 11-02-2011, 02:31 PM   #31
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it's a kick ass looking car. Overdone on the head lights (unless they really use them which i doubt) and the snorkel is stupid. But it would be fun to drive around especially a stick shift. subies last (on road idk offroad haha)

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it's a kick ass looking car.
If you're Mad Max.

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Believe it or not, those things can be made pretty capable in the right hands. I was a member of a Subaru Forester board when I had my modded 05 XT. The Baja is essentially a Forester with a bed. There were a few guys who outfitted their Foresters to desert runner specs. They had great ground clearance and plenty of power for high speed running in the sand, with snorkels for water crossings, etc. Not to mention they're fairly light. The'll never ba as capable on the trails as a Jeep, but a Jeep will never tear up the snow, gravel and sand like a turbocharged Subie will. Mine was kitted out for gravel/dirt track racing, but I never got the chance to use it for those purposes, other than some gravel parking lot autocrosses. I loved that little wagon.

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...we've owned a couple of 'soobs' through the years. solid little cars that will march through the snow like nobody's business. clearance sucks. nice little horizontally oppposed 4 cyl.-same motor they put in cessna small aircraft.

...i never walked out of the house just to look at the subaru though.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:42 PM   #35
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While we're talking about Subarus, who can give the quick explanation of the line? You know, the way folks come here and ask about Libertys versus Wranglers and so on. What's the capability distinction between a Forester versus and Outback versus a WRX, etc.?
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:57 PM   #36
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We wheeled with a friend in his Eagle recently; it was a hoot. It took a bit of spotting and patience.

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HA, very cool Bill...I had one of these back in the 80's. I was helping a buddy that was building logging roads in the state game lands, my Eagle got me in and out of the woods every day. It's nice to see them still out there, mine got me nearly anywhere.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:30 PM   #38
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I like it! It's no different in concept from the AMC Eagle, it's all wheel drive and has decent ground clearance for light off roading. My great Uncle drove the station wagon Eagle for many years in the Hills of PA, he'd drive it through rivers and water would be over the hood. Those subaru's were decent off road and quite capable as long as it wasn't a ground clearance issue.

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re: "I love the use of snorkel with touring tires. "

well.....it IS the PNW and monsoon season is almost upon us.....

Friends have had subis for decades and the do pretty well for what they are. Clearance to the differential in at least some of the subs is as good as stock YJ and TJ at the time I was looking. And other than size/body style they performed pretty well in the muck and back roads of a buddies tree farm.

They always started and ran well into the 100k + club.
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That Subi looks like an attack hamster.

I have driven rental Impreza and was favorably impressed as a cheap, small car. The WRX is a great little car.

Sadly, around here, all you see are Foresters and Outbacks and I hate them. Rented one once on a trip to Yellowstone and it damn near got stock on grass and gravel by the side of the road. It was too slow to pass anything and had to drive behind the motorhomes and trailers. My wife and I were wishing we had our Grand Cherokee all the time we were driving the Forrester. We took to calling it "Hiro Hito's Revenge".

The ones around here are ubiquitous and generally driven by aging Boomer ex Hippies and covered on stickers for various lib causes and political candidates. Their usual speed is 30 MPH in a 55 MPH zone and they brake for 45 MPH corners. They would be the bane of my Ducati when I'm out riding, but passing them is usually so effortless as not to matter. They must have a club and schedule outings to events like recycling gay whale conventions.

I have left explicit instructions with my wife that in the event I ever mention acquiring one to have a stat testosterone level drawn.
Who recycles a gay whale? That's kind of against the tenets of repopulating the depleted population of breeding cetaceans is it not? Yet another thing libs have gotten wrong.
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Lost my virginity in an AMC station wagon...
Was it with the shifter when you slipped while going from the driver's to the passenger's seat?
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Believe it or not, those things can be made pretty capable in the right hands. I was a member of a Subaru Forester board when I had my modded 05 XT. The Baja is essentially a Forester with a bed...
Well ... given that the last year for the Baja was 2006 and given the other Subaru models at that time, it was really more like an Outback with a bed instead of an enclosed wagon back end. But the turbo version had the same drive train as the Forester XT, and that (given its light weight) gave it a lot of zip -- further, with a tune, it was seriously fast.

There seems to be an inordinate amount of insecurity here about Subarus, a very weird state of affairs. Even sexual orientation and testosterone came up. What's that about?

Subaru: Nicely capable AWD vehicles with above average on-road capability

Jeep Wrangler: Kick-ass off-road vehicles with adequate on-road behavior

Is there some issue here? Why is everyone so defensive? HPH
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While we're talking about Subarus, who can give the quick explanation of the line? You know, the way folks come here and ask about Libertys versus Wranglers and so on. What's the capability distinction between a Forester versus and Outback versus a WRX, etc.?
Forester and Outback have a higher ground clearance. The WRX is more of a rally inspired vehicle. All are AWD, all are available with a turbocharged 2.5L opposed 4. The Outback is also available with a 3.0 opposed 6. All 3 are great in bad weather.
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Forester and Outback have a higher ground clearance. The WRX is more of a rally inspired vehicle. All are AWD, all are available with a turbocharged 2.5L opposed 4. The Outback is also available with a 3.0 opposed 6. All 3 are great in bad weather.
Is one or the other a better "off roader"? For example, my wife's 06 Outback is IFS all the way around. Does the Forester offer a solid rear axle or is it basically the same vehicle as an Outback but with a different body?
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Despite what some Subaru owners think, I don't believe that any of them qualifies as an "off roader." (There's a 'get it dirty' sort of section at the Outback forum, but it's really not at all like what Jeep people do.)

All have independent suspension; none has a two-speed transfer case (in the US); the newer entry-level models now have CVT transmissions. There are two types of (full-time) AWD, a viscous coupled system in the manual transmission models and an electronic one in the autos.

Foresters and Imprezas (including the WRX and STI) have shorter wheel-bases and less (pseudo-) luxury than Outbacks and Legacies.

On-road, with similar tires and in any weather except for snow deep enough to high-center, a Subaru will out-perform a Wrangler (or at least mine will). But off road, it's a completely different story. It comes down to having the right tool for the particular job at hand -- and Wranglers are more versatile in that sense...which is why I want one.

Clearly, it's possible to find tricked-out models of just about any car that evoke incredulity -- that Baja, except for the silly lights, wasn't really that big of a deal (although the Suzuki sure was). There are, after all, some pretty stupid-looking Wranglers out there...
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re: "Is there some issue here?"

of course. Ill defined and variable depending on who/what/when the comments may be.

re: "out-perform" always the crux in so many of the above reference.

For a machine that exposes it's DNA by riding like a hobby horse and handling like a lawn tractor, Wrangler JK is ample therapy for my own joyous travels.

Notions of road slalom and various go-fast illusions are long past for me. The excesses of all the extremes of any marque enthusiasts fade easily. I can go from A to B using routes that are pleasure enough without the complexities of wanting something my ride simply doesn't provide involving stopwatches or skid plates.

I happen to like the stock styling and wheels. Just how well the stock version serves my needs continues to be a pleasurable discovery with each journey.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:11 PM   #49
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I had a '09 Subaru Forester for a couple of years before trading it for the 'new' '09 wrangler for my daily driver. My old '93 YJ lives a hard life, taking me all the places I want to go to hunt. The Subaru would have never dared to try some of those roads/trails. But the Subaru was a beast on ice and snow, and boringly reliable. Sort of sluggish to accelerate, but the AWD made it handle splendidly in spirited driving on hairpin curves, etc. Really a great car in a lot of ways. The lumbar support in the forester was lacking, and my lower back hated it. That got me looking at other rigs. And, oddly, every time I came upon another forester, I noted the Obama bumper stickers, and the driver was often a white haired grandma. I somehow felt like I didn't quite fit in with the other subie drivers . Never got around to sticking an NRA sticker on the back of mine, but it would have raised eyebrows I bet.

I think Subaru has the only decent all wheel drive system. They are way better than the Honda CRV or the little Toyota crossover - forget what its called just now. The Subaru was my only foray into Japanese cars. I would recommend them to anyone looking for an AWD vehicle that gets good mileage. I found mine to be somewhat uninspiring though. But lots of folks don't need to be inspired by a vehicle. Different strokes...
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Well ... given that the last year for the Baja was 2006 and given the other Subaru models at that time, it was really more like an Outback with a bed instead of an enclosed wagon back end. But the turbo version had the same drive train as the Forester XT, and that (given its light weight) gave it a lot of zip -- further, with a tune, it was seriously fast.

There seems to be an inordinate amount of insecurity here about Subarus, a very weird state of affairs. Even sexual orientation and testosterone came up. What's that about?

Subaru: Nicely capable AWD vehicles with above average on-road capability

Jeep Wrangler: Kick-ass off-road vehicles with adequate on-road behavior

Is there some issue here? Why is everyone so defensive? HPH
The Baja shared it's chassis with the Forester and WRX. Most of the underpinnings are interchangeable.
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Is one or the other a better "off roader"? For example, my wife's 06 Outback is IFS all the way around. Does the Forester offer a solid rear axle or is it basically the same vehicle as an Outback but with a different body?
Well, as far as off roading is concerned with a stock subaru, they're probably about the same. The Outback is nicer than the Forester and you can get the 6 in the Outback, so it's really subjective. Neither will crawl down a trail like a Wrangler.
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The baja is built off the legacy/outback platform, not the impreza...
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The baja is built off the legacy/outback platform, not the impreza...
You're absolutely right, it was. I don't know what I was thinking.

Never cared much for them, honestly.
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Subis are awesome on road and rally type driving cars but in a true offload scenario they are just another awd
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Honestly, what other purpose does this post serve?
it was a joke...most of the time we always make fun of hummers...this time it was a subaru so i made a joke about it..geez get a sense of humor
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it was a joke...most of the time we always make fun of hummers...this time it was a subaru so i made a joke about it..geez get a sense of humor
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My first off road rig was a 82 subi wagon sitting on 30 9.5 swampers tsl. Was a good rig but was too small. Bought a 74 dodge powerwagon on 40's, it was too big and heavy. Next off road rig was 93 yj on 36 and is just the right size.
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Who recycles a gay whale? That's kind of against the tenets of repopulating the depleted population of breeding cetaceans is it not? Yet another thing libs have gotten wrong.
Actually I think they are the 99% that oppose fracking the gay, recycled whales or something like that. It all gets confusing.

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That subie would make a great dune jumper if he/she would add some bigger wheels/tires to complete the package. Right now it looks disproportionate with all the lights and accessories.

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