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Old 07-08-2013, 03:26 PM   #61
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Does anybody run these on a stock height JK?

The ride on my '12 is a little less than desirable with the 10 ply tires and stock shocks

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^i highly doubt it.

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Does anybody run these on a stock height JK?

The ride on my '12 is a little less than desirable with the 10 ply tires and stock shocks
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^i highly doubt it.
This right here. It is usually seen as a different option than using adjustable control arms or cam bolts.
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Min 2.5"
These brackets "fool" a lifted jeep thinking its stock up front. CA's or geo brackets help with angles when lifted.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:59 PM   #65
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What size tires ?
Sorry I didnt see that post , I am on 37's
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Rancho is releasing their drop bracket that has been rumored for a while.. Ads in the vender area but I will post here as well. These brackets look beefy
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i didn't know rancho made em too.
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Iirc, these are a redesign. Rancho offered drop brackets in the past.
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Rancho is releasing their drop bracket that has been rumored for a while.. Ads in the vender area but I will post here as well. These brackets look beefy
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:46 PM   #70
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The ranchos are more diy, adjustable control arms would be a necessity, at least one pair of them, either upper or lower, as caster does not remain the same through 2.5 to 4" of lift. The AEV ones provide you with 3 hole locations to adjust caster. Though the ranchos seem sturdier than AEV's, so that's a plus. Ranchos are basically sturdier drop brackets and AEVs are drop brackets and caster adjusters. It would come down to which one provides the most drop at 4" of lift.
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I have 3" of lift and all adjustable control arms. If I used these brackets in front, I suppose I could adjust them down to stock lengths. Question is- if I don't like them or keep bashing them due to the lower clearance, can I simply go back to regular adjustable control arms setup like I have now? If I try this, I'll go with the AEV ones. I'll have to figure out which holes to use though- 2.5 or 3.5. I have a 3" lift.
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I have 3" of lift and all adjustable control arms. If I used these brackets in front, I suppose I could adjust them down to stock lengths. Question is- if I don't like them or keep bashing them due to the lower clearance, can I simply go back to regular adjustable control arms setup like I have now? If I try this, I'll go with the AEV ones. I'll have to figure out which holes to use though- 2.5 or 3.5. I have a 3" lift.
You can always remove the brackets at any time. You will have to readjust the control arms length, thus, it would be good to take note of your current lengths, so that you don't have to go through trial and error.

The AEV install pdf shows what hole to use depending on the length between the spring base up to the frame rail.

You could always make a hybrid out of it. If neither the 2.5 or 3.5 hole gives you a comfortable caster, you can adjust it with the upper control arm. You'll still get the drop, with the caster you like.
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Cool, let me make some calls and see if someone has them in stock here.
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You can always remove the brackets at any time. You will have to readjust the control arms length, thus, it would be good to take note of your current lengths, so that you don't have to go through trial and error.

The AEV install pdf shows what hole to use depending on the length between the spring base up to the frame rail.

You could always make a hybrid out of it. If neither the 2.5 or 3.5 hole gives you a comfortable caster, you can adjust it with the upper control arm. You'll still get the drop, with the caster you like.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:56 PM   #75
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Very impressed by the AEV brackets. Installed them and it totally changed the feel of the front end. I like it a lot. Big road imperfections and bumps/joints are felt about half as much and the front handles jolts like it should. Also, the Bilstein steering stabilizer did take away that right pull I was struggling with, it seems. It was very windy/stormy but I think it pushes enough to the left to basically cancel out the right pull. Lots of good work done today and the JK drives much better.
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Very impressed by the AEV brackets. Installed them and it totally changed the feel of the front end. I like it a lot. Big road imperfections and bumps/joints are felt about half as much and the front handles jolts like it should. Also, the Bilstein steering stabilizer did take away that right pull I was struggling with, it seems. It was very windy/stormy but I think it pushes enough to the left to basically cancel out the right pull. Lots of good work done today and the JK drives much better.
That's is great to hear HK
I figured the Bilstein SS will even out your right pull.

Throw a angle finder on the pinion flange. I've read you can use either of the 2 machined flat spots each side of the pumpkin. Very curious on what your pinion angle is ? These brackets are designed to set you close to stock if using the correct hole per lift height.
Knowing the pinion angle will tell the caster angle. There's 6* of separation. If reading +2* on the pinion, caster will be 4*.
+1* on pinion 5* caster and so on.
Closer to the stock 2*/4* is best for handling and more importantly, the driveshaft angle.
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Loving the drop brackets and the SS. In fact, my caster is basically back to normal (4.1 and 4.5) and the axle/bushing binding has gone (had a one-degree higher caster on the right before this).

In keeping with kjeeper's obsessive nature (I have my own obsessive nature- two full lift kits, drop brackets, and soon three sets of shocks in 3-4 months) I have sourced some shocks I believe will be softer than the 5100s. No, I am not telling kjeeper what they are yet. I will have them on this Monday and report back.
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Loving the drop brackets and the SS. In fact, my caster is basically back to normal (4.1 and 4.5) and the axle/bushing binding has gone (had a one-degree higher caster on the right before this).

In keeping with kjeeper's obsessive nature (I have my own obsessive nature- two full lift kits, drop brackets, and soon three sets of shocks in 3-4 months) I have sourced some shocks I believe will be softer than the 5100s. No, I am not telling kjeeper what they are yet. I will have them on this Monday and report back.
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haha...I know. BTW, Rancho's rebate will come back soon- Aug/Sep, so in time for my fourth set of shocks (if needed).
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So 9000's or 7000's are out lol
Can't be a expensive shocks like Elka's or you wouldn't have mentioned the Rancho rebate. Hmmmmm rofl

Are you running the RK arms or did you go back to stock ?
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You're going to have to wait till Monday to find out.

I am running all eight Rokmen arms now...double JJs. They are a bit softer feeling than the RK arms. Very beefy too- very thick-walled arms. They will not bend. I had to also redo some really shoddy welding the installer did. He seems to have overheated my Cs too. Oh, he installed my bumper incorrectly with the eight bolts that go OVER the bumper being put UNDER the bumper (with one bolt missing actually). That needs to be redone soon- will take a few hours but important because he did some hacking and some sharp piece of metal is digging into my winch now. You may have heard of this guy. Nice guy to talk to and seems super-nice in person, but super shoddy work too- Bach Crawlers. Someone else mentioned his subpar work on this forum before.

We are finding other issues too....
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Jeez .... You know, it seams so hard to find a rep shop to do work these days

Never heard of anybody run all 8 arms and AEV brackets. Go's to show you can do it and how well they work.

I picked up a bunch of 9/16 stover lock nuts for when I switch over to the Rancho brackets. One thing I found out is, these nuts with the Synergy kit do not like to be reused more than a few times.
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Great review HK_Runner. I don't know how it would've felt if I haven't installed the geo brackets with my 2.5 lift. It would be best to advise newbies to purchase the aev brackets when they do their lift. For the price...it ain't bad.
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Oh this guy was highly recommended by RK (especially Justin). They have since changed their minds. If I had to do it ALL over again. I'd just use these brackets on a 2-door and keep the stock control arms in the front.

On a 4-door though, there is more flexibility and the ride quality is better to begin with. Changes do not affect them as much in a negative manner. Anyway, the stock control arms are quite good unless you are doing hardcore wheeling/crawling and banging the hell out of them every time. The stock bushings will (generally) outlast any joint and give you a better ride quality as well. Only Metalcloak probably comes close and the ease of rebuild of those arms is what would draw me to them as well.

One other things I forgot to mention. The steep brake dive is much better. I suspect this will result in better high-speed braking with less abrupt weight transfer to the front. The brake dive is probably half of what it was. That is another improvement that affects handling positively.

Next steps- new shocks, redo the bumper/winch carnage, and relocate the vacuum pump. Please don't tell me that the AEV bumper came with a vacuum pump relo kit. I can't take it anymore.
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very good points. One fix for clearance ....40's
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I think I'll stick with 35s and keep learning how to pick lines instead.

The brackets can take some abuse, can be changed out, are cheap enough, and actually protect the frame from taking hits, I guess. I rarely go to trails that are 8+. I will probably be fine the way it is. I am all about exploring and I avoid trails that can cause body damage. I leave those for the guys who like that type of stuff. I don't enjoy rutted trails filled with massive rocks and boulders. We have hundreds of miles of trails here that are below 8.
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Do using the brackets help with the position of axles side to side? I suppose what I'm asking is if you used these with a 2.5 would an adj TB front still be needed "as much"?
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No ... Not at all. Rotation mostly (caster/pinion)
I do think they push the axle forward a bit.
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So the axles could certainly still shift?
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Yes because the brackets lower your CA's and do nothing with the track bar.

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