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Old 07-17-2013, 05:56 PM   #31
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Wow I had no idea a first-time poster would generate so many responses- and all good points.

I was discussing this with a colleague of mine the other day...he said the X-Terra makes a nice chick vehicle, but don't let that stop you from buying one. He always has encouraging remarks like that...

Interesting point on the Moab trip, YJMadness....if you look at the specs, the X-Terra supposedly only has an inch difference in ground clearance, but when you see that giant plastic fascia on the front bumper, and compare approach angles, etc., etc., well it's like one guy said- X-Terra is a good daily driver capable of some off-road; Jeep is a good off-roader capable of handling highway duty.

Give me a couple weeks to sort some things out....I'll check out some used Unlimiteds as well.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:59 PM   #32
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I had a 2000 Xterra. For the kind of offroading you describe I'd pick the vehicle that you like best. Both will perform well. It comes down to trading the additional aftermarket possibilities and the fun of running doorless and topless with the Wrangler for a somewhat quieter and softer ride with the X. As someone else said though if you want a more "civilized" offroader the Grand Cherokee is definitely worth a look.

In this forum however, expect us to steer you towards a Jeep.

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #33
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Granted this vehicle came used from the heavily salted, and whatever else they use for ice, roads of Maine.
We actually use calcium chloride and sand in most places, calcium chloride doesn't cause rust

Rust isn't as big of a problem as you would expect, it's usually more a problem with particular types of vehicles. None of my vehicles have ever had rust problems (15 year old saab, 10 year old land rover, three other saabs between 8 and 10 years old)...

Our 1996 nissan pathfinder did rust a lot faster than anything else we've ever had. It's hard to find one of those of that generation up here these days where fenders aren't rusted all the way through.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:31 PM   #34
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I currently own a 2001 sexterra. I love it, but I am ordering a 2014 rubi come August/September. I will say this, a few years ago I took my stock sexterra to Rausch Creek up in PA with my buddies who all had modified jeeps and it was a blast. I was surprised that I was able to do most of the stuff they did. I just had slightly larger tires then stock. I couldn't really flex like them, but I could do just about everything else. Did a little rock climbing, mudding, trails, etc. while there. Was this a good idea in the long run with my stock vehicle? Eh, not really as I have issues now, but it was awesome.

Edit:also have lots of rusting underneath. But she's old.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:01 AM   #35
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I actually just sold my Xterra Off Road and got the JKU, I will never look back. I loved my X but as said before the aftermarket world is very small and very expensive. Test drive both and see what you like better. The 2 door has no where near the cargo room that is why I went with the 4 door. The gas mileage was terrible on the X too. Had 33's, basket up top and Xoskel light bar and if I was lucky I would get 15mpg Hwy, now I get around 19.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:55 PM   #36
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Wife and I went for a test drive in a 2013 Sport today...much to my surprise she seemed to really like it.

Took it down the Interstate, and have to say I think the ride was more refined than I was anticipating. Not really sure what I was anticipating, guess I'm thinking of the Jeeps on M*A*S*H or something, haha.

Now the Sport, Sahara, Rubicon debate comes up. Given my extremely limited knowledge of Jeeps, it kind of seems to me like the Sahara package is a bit over-priced, but I really like the fact that you can get color-matched hardtop and fender flares. I like the saddle-colored accents available in the interior, also.

Not sure about the 18" wheels on the Sahara...wow have you priced over-sized tires in 18"??? HOLY COW! That would be a ways off, of course.

I can appreciate the factory lockers on the Rubicon, but that is also something that could be added later. And, I don't see myself taking a new $30K vehicle out in areas that demand dual lockers. I've been wrong before, however!

Looked in the engine compartment a bit, never did find the spark plugs! Boy things have changed since the days of the simple 350 Chevy and the 300 6-banger Ford, etc., etc.

Our local dealer doesn't really have anything I'd be interested in, so I'm wondering- do I buy from a dealer 500 miles away to get what I want in a 2013, or 'support the local dealer' and order a 2014?

Need to really see what the numbers would be on working a deal, of course, but what's your opinion on 'buying local'?



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Old 07-21-2013, 12:39 AM   #37
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I just bought a 2013 sport about a month ago. I was debating between a new one and a 06 rubicon with 40k on it for about the same price. I ended up going with a sport, and i will upgrade it as my budget allows until it is better then a stock rubicon on trails. I just put 31" duratracs on it and black wheels. When it is paid off, i will be lifting it, putting 35's or 37's on it and regearing it. Buy the sport and upgrade it to suit your tastes, then you will have no reason to get rid of it.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:19 AM   #38
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Now the Sport, Sahara, Rubicon debate comes up. Given my extremely limited knowledge of Jeeps, it kind of seems to me like the Sahara package is a bit over-priced, but I really like the fact that you can get color-matched hardtop and fender flares. I like the saddle-colored accents available in the interior, also.
The Sahara package REQUIRES a color mathced top and fenders. They are optional on a rubi but you can still get it that way if you want. You can also only get one or the other if you want.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:32 AM   #39
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I'd order a 2014....
Check with your employer to see if you are already eligible for a Chrysler Affiliate Discount, or join Tread Lightly. That way you are guaranteed to not pay more than 1% below invoice...and of course, you can negotiate below that number. 2%-4% below invoice is what we often see around here.

As far as what model....really depends on how you will use the Wrangler.

If you are looking at two doors, pay close attention the power convenience package and window tint, if I remember correctly, those are options on the Sport and Rubi, but standard on the Sahara.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:14 AM   #40
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I will throw in a slightly redacted version of my "SUV are now station wagon/minivan rant."

What do you see in commercials for supposedly off-road capable vehicles? You see a vehicles driving down a dirt or possibly gravel road. The point being it IS a road - leveled and graded. I could drive my BMW 335i down exactly the same road without any trouble. The fact that you can kick up some dust and there are mountains in the background does not make it "off-road."

I firmly believe that folks are now conditioned to think of anything that doesn't have an asphalt of concrete surface as "off-road." Fire breaks and trails are not off-road - they are a trail made specifically for vehicle access and technically qualify as either an improved road or unimproved road depending on grading, maintenance, etc.

Why bother with all that? Well, because unless you actually plan on a trail where things like ground clearance, approach and departure angles, breakover and articulation are going to be factors in your driving they don't need to be a factor in your purchase. I'm a Toyota over Nissan guy myself, but if all I wanted to do was bomb fire roads and trails at high speed I'd be in a 4Runner over a Wrangler - not because the 4Runner is more capable off-road, but because it is more capable on-road where I'm planning to use it.

I love my Jeep - I don't mind that it is a bit on the harsh side of things. I have a 4-dr because I need/want the added cargo space. As long as you test drive and have an idea of what you're getting into - go for it.
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:26 AM   #41
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I agree, DJL2---makes me think of the Subaru commercials I've seen of late. "Wow, look at that all-wheel drive station wagon go down that gravel driveway!" lol

I've never even been in a Jeep with the top down/removed, so I'd be lying if I commented on how 'cool' or 'awesome' that may or may not be! And, a good driver in even something stock, such as a ForeRunner or an X-Terra can do some interesting things. I recall seeing a little Suzuki Samari coming down a hill I was struggling to get up with my 2-stroke dirt-bike...with nothing more than some oversize tires. So, the skill of the driver is unquestionably is an important factor; maybe the most important one?

Given my experience riding dirt bikes in the mountains and desert areas of Arizona, though, I think the Jeep is best design out of the box.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:15 AM   #42
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ND - I am not part of the uber cool Jeep club yet - I'm going to tell you a secret:

I keep a set of SureFire earplugs in my Jeep at all times. If I happen to be rolling top off or doors off, I throw them in (even windows down, actually) because it is LOUD. As a motorcyclist, I know that sustained wind noise = permanent hearing loss and I prefer to avoid that.

I recently read a piece in one of the off road mags where they did a huge expedition out West in an X-terra. Sure, I was upset it wasn't a 4Runner (heh), but that truck tackled some pretty serious terrain. The reality is that, 99% of the time, to drive terrain a X-Terra Pro-4 or 4Runner Trail cannot handle means you need to look for it.

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