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Old 07-13-2013, 03:41 PM   #31
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Do you know who Zone's parent company is and where Zone gets their springs? ...same place as BDS. Zone springs are far from stiff. I think your view would change if you actual rode in a TJ with a actual Zone kit with their standard white shocks.

I do agree about kits with polybushing arms. Go with JJ Adjustables or stick with the stockers.
Yep, and as stated, they are obnoxiously stiff. 158lb front, 200lb rear. Heavy Duty factory rates are 140lb front, 160lb rear. I run an LJ with 4.0L engine, FULL ARMOR, heavy F/R bumpers, winch, heavy DOM tubing safari rack, hardtop, heavy spare, exogate etc.........all that and I STILL run a 140lb/160lb spring combo. When I am unloaded riding solo with no hardtop on the ride is still just a bit stiff in the rear.

And with that being said, do you see me recommending BDS or Zone springs for someone running a regular TJ with a 4 cylinder engine??? NO.

You would have to be running some SERIOUS weight before you will ever see me recommending ANY springs that stiff to someone.

I've ridden plenty of zone and bds spring equipped TJ's.......those springs give a terribly stiff/harsh ride. No thanks.

Regardless agree mostly on the control arms as well......stay with stock until the budget allows for a quality adjustable control arm. But not the JJ's...........half dozen of my club's members have now swapped out JJ's in favor of the DF joints from MC.

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Yep, and as stated, they are obnoxiously stiff. 158lb front, 200lb rear. Heavy Duty factory rates are 140lb front, 160lb rear. I run an LJ with 4.0L engine, FULL ARMOR, heavy F/R bumpers, winch, heavy DOM tubing safari rack, hardtop, heavy spare, exogate etc.........all that and I STILL run a 140lb/160lb spring combo. When I am unloaded riding solo with no hardtop on the ride is still just a bit stiff in the rear.

And with that being said, do you see me recommending BDS or Zone springs for someone running a regular TJ with a 4 cylinder engine??? NO.

You would have to be running some SERIOUS weight before you will ever see me recommending ANY springs that stiff to someone.

I've ridden plenty of zone and bds spring equipped TJ's.......those springs give a terribly stiff/harsh ride. No thanks.

Regardless agree mostly on the control arms as well......stay with stock until the budget allows for a quality adjustable control arm. But not the JJ's...........half dozen of my club's members have now swapped out JJ's in favor of the DF joints from MC.
You're talking way over my head.

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Old 07-14-2013, 03:11 PM   #33
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This is within your budget. Choose the 2" kit.

1997-2002 Jeep Wrangler TJ Standard 6.5" lift kit 467H | BDS Suspension


This or save up for the OME 2.5" lift. I've had my OME for 6years and 50k miles, zero sag, and shocks are holding strong. I wheel mine moderately and drive it to work every day.
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:38 PM   #34
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You're talking way over my head.
I'll keep it simple.

Smart rule of thumb is to gain the desired lift with the SOFTEST springs possible. You want your SHOCKS dictating ride quality, not the springs. When the springs are obnoxiously stiff, the shocks are fighting to keep them under control and wear out quicker over time.

When the springs are the correct rates for the weight of the vehicle paired with good shocks, the shocks now will dictate the quality of the ride.

Your 4 cylinder TJ most likely has 130/140lb rated springs front and rear. So considering your just lifting your jeep do you really think going with springs that are over 25% stiffer is going to garner a better ride quality? No.

Which is why I will not recommend BDS/ZONE or similar rated springs for your setup.

You are best off with springs like OME/RC/Currie springs.......these springs have ratings much closer to what you are riding on now as you sit stock. Buy the springs you think will work best(which IMO is probably the RC progressive springs)and get some decent nitrogen charged MONOTUBES for em.

So for you the best bet would probably be the RC 2.5" kit(NOT the 3.25" kit which has additional spring spacers and a tcase drop.......NOT NEEDED, nor does it add any enhancement)with the 2.2 nitro shocks as a base to start from. Keep that driveshaft inline, and don't let the stock TC SHOVEL skid knuckle drag any lower to the ground than need be.

Then take the money left over, get a rear OME trackbar relocation bracket and some OME 20mm bumpstop extensions and your good to roll and have a well thought out base upon which to roll from.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:20 AM   #35
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Hi everyone, this is a pretty insightful thread, definitely seems to be a lot of good advice and knowledge being shared on this one.

I am in the same boat as the OP and am currently contemplating size and type of lift to get. For me the most important factor is ride quality and durability. My 2000 TJ is not a daily drive, but might become one for a couple months in the future during a move.
I have primarily been looking at OME 2-2.5" lifts as I love the OME / ARB brand and have never had a bad experience with any of their other products. However, I also want to run 33x10.5 tires and have been told the 2.5 OME will not be capable of running that size by themselves, that some sort of hybrid system with a body lift is required. Which from most of the research I have done seems to be the case. With that said, based on the previous posts in this threat I would really appreciate some advice / insight on the two following products / hybrid kits I found online through DPG offraod.

http://dpgoffroad.com/products/old-m...-wrangler-kit/

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I have done a fair share of research on the OME suspensions, and like what I have seen / heard, where I am not so read up on is body lifts, different types of lower / upper control arms, pros / cons of only doing lowers vs uppers as well, and sway bars.

From everyones experience / knowledge, do these seem like good hybrid systems, what about price, worth the investment?
Are there better / more economical hybrid systems that would achieve the same ride quality / durability as the above?

Any and all advice / insight is appreciated.
Thanks,
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:20 AM   #36
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My .02, I have a RC 2.5, JKS 1.25 BL, and a Brown Dog 1" MML (grand total = $530) and I'm happy as a clam. Ride quality? If I was that picky about ride quality, I would've bought a BMW. With that said, no sag, and the ride doesn't bother the girlfriend. That's enough for me
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:12 PM   #37
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Take a look at Metal Cloaks 3.5" suspension lift kit. Comes with the ARB shocks and related goodies.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:21 PM   #38
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I bought the RC 2.5 and used Bilstien 5100s. Had some vibration at take off and was advised to do the TC drop which did eliminate the problem.

All I know is I was getting rid of the spacer lift to go with the springs. Mine is not a daily driver and doesn't see any hardcore off roading.

I'm not sure if I need bump stop ext or the control arms or the tracbar relocation bracket.

How do I know if I need those things?
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I bought the RC 2.5 and used Bilstien 5100s. Had some vibration at take off and was advised to do the TC drop which did eliminate the problem.

All I know is I was getting rid of the spacer lift to go with the springs. Mine is not a daily driver and doesn't see any hardcore off roading.

I'm not sure if I need bump stop ext or the control arms or the tracbar relocation bracket.

How do I know if I need those things?
I already have vibrations at take off with my stock suspension on 32s. Did you say that the t-case drop did eliminate the vibrations?
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:34 PM   #40
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Hi everyone, this is a pretty insightful thread, definitely seems to be a lot of good advice and knowledge being shared on this one.

I am in the same boat as the OP and am currently contemplating size and type of lift to get. For me the most important factor is ride quality and durability. My 2000 TJ is not a daily drive, but might become one for a couple months in the future during a move.
I have primarily been looking at OME 2-2.5" lifts as I love the OME / ARB brand and have never had a bad experience with any of their other products. However, I also want to run 33x10.5 tires and have been told the 2.5 OME will not be capable of running that size by themselves, that some sort of hybrid system with a body lift is required. Which from most of the research I have done seems to be the case. With that said, based on the previous posts in this threat I would really appreciate some advice / insight on the two following products / hybrid kits I found online through DPG offraod.

http://dpgoffroad.com/products/old-m...-wrangler-kit/

and

http://dpgoffroad.com/products/old-m...-wrangler-kit/

I have done a fair share of research on the OME suspensions, and like what I have seen / heard, where I am not so read up on is body lifts, different types of lower / upper control arms, pros / cons of only doing lowers vs uppers as well, and sway bars.

From everyones experience / knowledge, do these seem like good hybrid systems, what about price, worth the investment?
Are there better / more economical hybrid systems that would achieve the same ride quality / durability as the above?

Any and all advice / insight is appreciated.
Thanks,
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You can run 33x10.5" tires with 2.5" running ome bumpstops front and rear.....though doing a 1" bl/mml combo isnt a bad idea if u can get it in the budget.

Best hybrid system is one u build urself......dpg systems......meh.......i like ome springs.........but ome shocks are light duty(ok if mostly dd with light off road use).....better stuff out there than what dpg offerd.
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I already have vibrations at take off with my stock suspension on 32s. Did you say that the t-case drop did eliminate the vibrations?
It did eliminate the vibration. Mine had 32's and a spacer lift when I bought it but it did not have any vibration before. The first time I pulled out onto the road after the lift the vibration was there. I ran it for probably 500 miles with the vibration. The only thing done was the t-case drop and the vibration was gone.
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Even going cheap, you can still stay in the budget and have a good foundation.

A bet for you to look into would be a set of OME springs(2932's in front, 2941's out back) which is about $300, a set of BDS 5500 series shocks $180, an OME rear trackbar relocation bracket($20) and front/rear OME bumpstop extensions($30)..........so about $500-530 right there. That will give you a great riding TJ with about 2.5" lift for 33's.
Just noting this for a future reference. It is a good setup for little monies.
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Lots of WF members have ordered through AOR...see this post:
Zone Offroad Products...

I got mine from rockridge4wd via ebay.
Just installed the zone 3 inch from rockridge 4wd via ebay 459.00 shipped with nitro shocks. I say the road ride is better then stock and the quality is good. I have 32x11.5 Kumhos mt tires.
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