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Old 06-09-2010, 08:11 AM   #31
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personally i don't mess with dealers.. because if you buy the jeep for 12k from there, your easily gonna have another grand at least in sales tax.. I always buy from private owners. just my 2 cents.

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True on the sales tax to some extent. When I go and get the title transfer I will ahve to pay tax on the Jeep at that point. In Texas you used to be able to "name " the price that you purchased the ride for and pay tax on that. I beleive now they go off of blue book. That said, I beleive that I will be paying the same sales tax either way.

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I knew this going into the Jeep, but if I get it is this hard top repairable and what would something like this cost. I know the picture has tape on the top, but its a hairline crack underneath and does not leak.
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What part of Texas are you in?

And if I were you, I'd test drive both jeeps, especially around the 55 mph speed, check for death wobble etc.... Also try the 4x4 out and everything, just make sure that nothing is broken or giving you any problems. Check all of the fluids, if the tranny or oil fluid looks burnt, then you may want to stay away.
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I live in the Houston area. I think that buddy had the death wobble on his old jeep. Is it noticable at 55? Is it expensive/easy to repair?
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:48 AM   #36
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Ditch the hard top, buy a soft top and be done. Use the busted hard top as a negotiating tool to get the price down.... If it was a cheap easy fix, it would be fixed... just sayin.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:50 AM   #37
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He knocked off 1k for the hard top issue and bluebook resale has the jeep at 11k +.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:58 AM   #38
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A few years back, I bought a hardtop from a guy in Oceanside. It had holes drilled in the top that he had filled with RTV. Eventually, they started leaking.

I found a product by PC-Products PC Epoxy callled PC-11. It is an Epoxy paste that seems to work well for my repair.

Your problem is a crack in a high stress location. You would need to test PC-11 to see if it is suitable for this repair.
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Check the rear diffs on both and look at the tag to find out the gearing. Lower gears (higher #) is more desirable. You will want to get bigger tires..... Trust me. Putting a soft top on either will be the same. Did you find out the deal with the flare on the blue one?
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:00 AM   #40
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there's a sticky on the death wobble, but you should notice it around 55, maybe a higher speed.

BTW: Hardtop is nice down here in Houston, the TJ had a soft top, but we installed a hard top after it was broken into.

With that said, it probably has 3.73 gears, at least that's what my 01 TJ sport has.
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Without removing the tape there is no way of knowing the extent of the crack. I'm hoping that I can get a better look from the inside this evening. With the crack being in that location am I better off selling it and looking for another one on craigslist?
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So you're looking at 8K then, not bad. I like IG's thought, stow the hard top, get a new soft top and see how you like it, I'm pretty sure you won't even want the hard top, then maybe get a few bucks for it. Make sure you drive it at hwy speeds, on various roads, that DW can be scary and suddenly appear, surprise It's just a hassle tracking down the culprit, could be a number of things. That's a bummer about taxes, here in Ca we can still name our sale price, as long as both parties agree
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You can find complete tops, soft and hard on Craigslist, just have to look and snatch a deal up quickly, nothing like that stays on CL long down here, if the price is good that is.
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Since I do not have the parts for soft top, how much more would that add to the price for a soft top conversion?
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You'll need all the hardware if you go with a factory style soft top. Or some hardware if you choose a bowless style. Prices will vary, depending on which top you choose. If you price new tops expect to spend anywhere from $500 to $1500. Since it looks like the one with the broken top is at a dealer, tell them you need more than $1k for the top, as new hard tops easily run 1500+....
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The broken top is from the individual. He posted 10k on his add and the blue book retail was 11k. He dropped it to 9k when I asked if he would. I think it's a good deal as I can get a top for 700 with parts (as I just found online) brand new. I can use the damaged hard top in the super hot months in Texas and the winter if it gets too cold.
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Also, one of the pics that he sent me had this in it (see below). He stated that he had an ac part replaced last year as it was leaking and has not had a problem since. This shouldn't be an issue if it blows cold on my test drive today right?
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I think it's a good deal. Still curious about the one black flare, but the hard top is basically repaired with the tape. I don't think there's much else you could do unless your handy with bondo. Run the air for a few minutes, make sure that the temp stays consistent. Run it while you're parked and driving. It should be fine if it stays at one temp.
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That's awful about the Blue Book and I think that technically should be illegal since the Blue Book isn't always accurate! Obviously you're not paying blue book. It would be like having to pay sales tax on the MSRP rather then the price you paid for the goods in-store.

In terms of the hardtop, they're difficult to fix, but it's not impossible with a little fiberglass filler. I can't say I'd recommend everyone else's opinion and stick with a soft top. I like my soft top for the summer but my hard top is fantastic in the winter and I'm not looking to sell it anytime soon.

For $8k though, I'd jump right on it. That's a great price for that many miles and that year.
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It's 9k out the door, dropped from his advertised 10k. Some of you are saying 8k is a good price, is 9k not? I think if everything works fine, it should not be a bad price right?
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It's not a bad price. a year and a half ago, I paid 8300 for my '01 with 104k miles on it, a soft top, and automatic, no a/c. Even with the crack, you should be able to get 500 for the hard top, which would almost cover the cost of a softie.

You won't regret buying it. It is a good deal.
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Another odd question, can you buy a carpet paint? In lieu of replacing what seems to be decent carpet, I could just spray paint it. Ghetto huh??
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Also, one of the pics that he sent me had this in it (see below). He stated that he had an ac part replaced last year as it was leaking and has not had a problem since. This shouldn't be an issue if it blows cold on my test drive today right?
Are you sure it was the a/c? The orange stain makes me think it had a bad heater core, which also just went out on my g/f's a month ago. And you can try a carpet cleaner before qhetto rigging it with paint.

The hard top could probably be sold for $400, i've seen quite a few nice tops with no problems sold for $600-700 around here.
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I'm with death on the orange carpet stains... Probably will come out with a carpet machine, but I'd bet it was the heater core, no biggie as long as it's fixed... I hear they are a bugger to get to.

I'd see if you can get him down another 500 since the top is busted. And while you might like the hard top for various reasons, cold in Texas is not one you should worry about. I run a softop year round in Indiana, snow, ice, temps in the single digits for weeks at a time, Jeep heaters are amazing, and heating such a small interior is very quick. Keep in mind you need somewhere to store the hard top if you keep it and want to remove it. The front yard is not a good option....
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Deathphoenix, good eye!! He told me it was the heater coil! Is that a bad thing?
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True on the sales tax to some extent. When I go and get the title transfer I will ahve to pay tax on the Jeep at that point. In Texas you used to be able to "name " the price that you purchased the ride for and pay tax on that. I beleive now they go off of blue book. That said, I beleive that I will be paying the same sales tax either way.
i didn't realize that it was different for you, around here they still go by what we say we bought it for so its pretty easy to knock off some of the taxes, but that doesn't work for you anymore lol
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Deathphoenix, good eye!! He told me it was the heater coil! Is that a bad thing?
If it's fixed, it's not a big deal, although, RUN the heater on full blast, if the coolant is still in the heating ducts, it will smell awful! So hopefully it's all been cleaned I still have to replace the heater core on my g'fs. It's not too bad to do, just time consuming, and expensive to take somewhere to do it. But for now, I just bypassed it, not like we need heat in Houston right now.

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I'm with death on the orange carpet stains... Probably will come out with a carpet machine, but I'd bet it was the heater core, no biggie as long as it's fixed... I hear they are a bugger to get to.

I'd see if you can get him down another 500 since the top is busted. And while you might like the hard top for various reasons, cold in Texas is not one you should worry about. I run a softop year round in Indiana, snow, ice, temps in the single digits for weeks at a time, Jeep heaters are amazing, and heating such a small interior is very quick. Keep in mind you need somewhere to store the hard top if you keep it and want to remove it. The front yard is not a good option....
As far as soft top goes, the hard top is better in traffic, a/c stays in better, as far as winter, have you seen people from Texas, they wear winter jackets when it's 50°. I'm from IN, born and raised, so I'm like it's t-shirt weather still. But yea, both tops have their advantages, and you can swap between the two if you want, we have both for the jeep here now. But the soft top needs a new rear window, the thief cut it while getting in it.
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What?

Sorry Death, "Better in traffic" We don't even have a top right now and the heat and cold is effective in the front seats. Did you have your doors locked? Or just a spiteful thief If you did, why?
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I'm with death on the orange carpet stains... Probably will come out with a carpet machine, but I'd bet it was the heater core, no biggie as long as it's fixed... I hear they are a bugger to get to.

I'd see if you can get him down another 500 since the top is busted. And while you might like the hard top for various reasons, cold in Texas is not one you should worry about. I run a softop year round in Indiana, snow, ice, temps in the single digits for weeks at a time, Jeep heaters are amazing, and heating such a small interior is very quick. Keep in mind you need somewhere to store the hard top if you keep it and want to remove it. The front yard is not a good option....
I also run a soft top year round in Indiana. And I lived in Houston with my soft top and never had an issue at all. I wouldn't worry about running a soft top full time. You could throw a trektop on the jeep and it wouldn't require any extra hardware! I love my trektop.

On a side note, this would be a great time to talk him down on the cost. Then with the money you save, rip out the carpet and rhino line the interior!

I would walk up to him and say, "Based on the market of Jeep's I've been looking at, I believe a fair deal would be 8k. If you can meet me at that price I'd be glad to discuss the arrangements for pickup." If he counters with 8500, you are coming out ahead. Don't think of it as if you are ripping him off.. he can easily say no..and you can easily look for a better fit for a Jeep.
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Make on offer on the non dealer one. Did you run a car fax on it? Southern cars/trucks/jeep would have the big issue....of katrina flood damage.

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