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Old 05-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #31
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resetting adaptive is a 100% waste of time. It will relearn after 2 minutes of a cold start.

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I was doing some research on my 42 rle about a year ago and stumbled on to something like this. It was supposed to help the transmission shift better by learning your driving style. I tried it. It still shifted too early and my mpg is still around 13. But I didn't do it 50 times either. By only filling up with 5 gallons, he is not getting an accurate reading. How many times have you tried to totally fill up your jeep and the pump cut off, but your were able to squeeze another couple gallons in it? If you add another gallon to his 100 miles, now your only getting 16 mpg.
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I did not do the procedure 50 times, I only did it once.
I just started and shut down 50 times within 200 miles after doing it.
I am still getting close to 20 mpg. 65 miles on a quarter tank.
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^^^^^Might want to math that one out...depending on tank size, more like 13-16mpg!
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Anecdotal. I've done the same thing and it's not an accurate representation of your actual fuel economy. Test it again, only this time over a period of, say, 30 days. 30 days of normal driving. Fill it up completely before you start the test, and fill it up at the completion of the 30 days. The longer the testing period, the more accurate the results will be.
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I got 22 with my stock tj (4.0, 32rh, 3.07s, no top, doors, or back seat) running about 45 rural cruising, few stops, long trips. I now get 15 average on 33s. No magic for fuel efficiency, just physics and driving habits

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Anecdotal. I've done the same thing and it's not an accurate representation of your actual fuel economy. Test it again, only this time over a period of, say, 30 days. 30 days of normal driving. Fill it up completely before you start the test, and fill it up at the completion of the 30 days. The longer the testing period, the more accurate the results will be.
I suppose you mean more miles traveled/fuel used, the more accurate. What if he only used half a tank in those 30 days?
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I did not do the procedure 50 times, I only did it once.
I just started and shut down 50 times within 200 miles after doing it.
I am still getting close to 20 mpg. 65 miles on a quarter tank.
I always count my gallons from the top of the tank, Fill up. Drive,
on refill I divide the miles by the gallons.
I keep my tank full.

Jgorm, I'm not here to waste my time arguing. This is what I did, and here are the results.
waterdog, I ran the gallons from the top of the tank, yes.
shadydc, I calculated my mileage after,
<filling up, driving 100 miles, then filling up again.>
I am not telling everybody to do this to their jeep. I merely tried the thread I read and gained a few mpg since I have done it.
You guys are all grown adults and have the free will to do whatever the heck you like.
I don't feel bashed, I don't mind clearing up any points I was unclear on.
I am only doing my blogging part and spreading the good news.
I had positive results on the thread I read about resetting the adaptive memory.
The results were clear to me.
I did it one time,
I drove my jeep for 200 miles, making sure I had 50 starts in there somewhere, and made sure that the temp guage read at least to the first hash mark when I drove it.
My day is this,
take one kid to school across town. come home, shut down.
20 min later, start up, drop the other one off 1 mile away. come home, shut down.
Start up, drive a mile, go to youngests school, shut down for a while, wait. Start up.
Drive across town to pick up the oldest and go home, shut down.
Start up later at night, go to work. 10 miles highway, shut down.
Start up, go home, 10 miles highway, shut down.
Repeat.
So I easily got 50 starts within 200 miles.
I did not repeat the whole 1-7 50 times, only #7. My bad on the wording.
I hope anyone else who decides to try this has great results.
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I got 22 with my stock tj (4.0, 32rh, 3.07s, no top, doors, or back seat) running about 45 rural cruising, few stops, long trips. I now get 15 average on 33s. No magic for fuel efficiency, just physics and driving habits



I suppose you mean more miles traveled/fuel used, the more accurate. What if he only used half a tank in those 30 days?
Haha, true. I used to work on an old lady's car and she put less than 200 miles on it per year.
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Haha, true. I used to work on an old lady's car and she put less than 200 miles on it per year.

OP must make short trips too, he started 50 times in 200 miles!
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I could see helping, your not fooling the computer. Just relearning driving habits, starting with a fresh sheet. And if you change your habits to what he is doing, your mileage would probably improve with out flashing the computer. I would think most benefit would be with an automatic.
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Sorry, but a quarter of a 16 gal tank is 4. 65 divided by 4=16.25. If it's a 19 gal tank, 65 miles divided by 4.75=13.68.
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Sorry, but a quarter of a 16 gal tank is 4. 65 divided by 4=16.25. If it's a 19 gal tank, 65 miles divided by 4.75=13.68.
Yeah but if you stand there forever and keep pumping fuel in like I have done before it looks better on paper. LOL My 15 gallon tank was at 1/4 and I managed to squeeze 14 gallons in it late one evening when there was not much going on. Basing "only" off the gauge and odometer I got 93 miles on a 1/4 tank of gas. If I calculated like that, then I got 24.8 MPG at that time!!! I would only ever use that calculation with a wife (if I had one) to argue why the Jeep is good to drive when it comes to fuel mielage.
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The sad fact is that if the passenger side of the Jeep is up an inch higher than the driver side, you can trap an air bubble 2.5-3 gallons in size on the high side of the tank. The filler neck is on the left side of the tank, and as soon as the liquid reaches the bottom of the vent tube, a pressure spike shuts off the gas pump.

You said you were getting 13mpg. If you filled it at a station where the Jeep was tilted, and there was 2.5g of trapped air, you used 7.5g in 100 miles, for 13.33mpg.

That is what I believe. Try measuring mileage over a longer period like 3 tanks of gas. When you fill up the first and last tanks, put your weight on the passenger side of the bumper and "burp" that air bubble in the tank. That way you get a consistent fill instead of a random shutoff.
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The sad fact is that if the passenger side of the Jeep is up an inch higher than the driver side, you can trap an air bubble 2.5-3 gallons in size on the high side of the tank. The filler neck is on the left side of the tank, and as soon as the liquid reaches the bottom of the vent tube, a pressure spike shuts off the gas pump.

You said you were getting 13mpg. If you filled it at a station where the Jeep was tilted, and there was 2.5g of trapped air, you used 7.5g in 100 miles, for 13.33mpg.

That is what I believe. Try measuring mileage over a longer period like 3 tanks of gas. When you fill up the first and last tanks, put your weight on the passenger side of the bumper and "burp" that air bubble in the tank. That way you get a consistent fill instead of a random shutoff.
Getting 20 MPG is a daily occurance for me. lowest I get is 18 with 33x10.50 3.5" RE lift 4.10 gears

I mesure my MPG on every tank. Ive checked my speedo via friend who is cop with laser dead on, mesured my odometer with GPS also good, Did 100 mi trip and gps read just under 99.6. its all about how you drive your jeep and the weight its pulling.
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My stock 2000 Sahara got 20 MPG at 160k miles. It now has a zone 4.25" with 33's and gets 15 MPG on the highway using cruise. I think some of you are just horrible at math. For one thing check your F&*^ing speedo with a good GPS. I was nuts on with stock tires but am now off by 4 MPH at highway speed.
Do you have any idea how much that effects your indicated MPG you nitwits?
If I drive from Eugene to Portland which is 106 miles it will only look like you went around 95 miles on the trip odometer.
Top off your tank only till the pump pops and do the same when you top off again(+/- half gallon if your level)
Divide your CORRECTED milage(if you have oversize tires) by how many gallons it took to top it off.......and keep it within a tenth gallon....it matters.
Do this a few times and you will get your actual MPG.
I get 14.5 MPG if I cruise at 70 MPH on relatively flat terrain for the 106 miles.
Yes TJ's get terrible MPG but you re re's are making it look a lot worse than it is.
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getting 20 mpg is a daily occurance for me. Lowest i get is 18 with 33x10.50 3.5" re lift 4.10 gears

i mesure my mpg on every tank. Ive checked my speedo via friend who is cop with laser dead on, mesured my odometer with gps also good, did 100 mi trip and gps read just under 99.6. Its all about how you drive your jeep and the weight its pulling.
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The sad fact is that if the passenger side of the Jeep is up an inch higher than the driver side, you can trap an air bubble 2.5-3 gallons in size on the high side of the tank. The filler neck is on the left side of the tank, and as soon as the liquid reaches the bottom of the vent tube, a pressure spike shuts off the gas pump.

You said you were getting 13mpg. If you filled it at a station where the Jeep was tilted, and there was 2.5g of trapped air, you used 7.5g in 100 miles, for 13.33mpg.

That is what I believe. Try measuring mileage over a longer period like 3 tanks of gas. When you fill up the first and last tanks, put your weight on the passenger side of the bumper and "burp" that air bubble in the tank. That way you get a consistent fill instead of a random shutoff.
I dunno about the stations in your area but in 50 years of driving, I have never filled up at a gas station where the parking area next to the pump anything but dead-level.

For my TJ with 35" tires, I get excited if I get 13 mpg.
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Only a small number of gas stations here have even remotely level islands. I always try to fill up with the filler on the uphill side.
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Only a small number of gas stations here have even remotely level islands. I always try to fill up with the filler on the uphill side.
The parking area next to the pump isn't made from poured concrete?
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My stock 2000 Sahara got 20 MPG at 160k miles. It now has a zone 4.25" with 33's and gets 15 MPG on the highway using cruise. I think some of you are just horrible at math. For one thing check your F&*^ing speedo with a good GPS. I was nuts on with stock tires but am now off by 4 MPH at highway speed.
Do you have any idea how much that effects your indicated MPG you nitwits?
If I drive from Eugene to Portland which is 106 miles it will only look like you went around 95 miles on the trip odometer.
Top off your tank only till the pump pops and do the same when you top off again(+/- half gallon if your level)
Divide your CORRECTED milage(if you have oversize tires) by how many gallons it took to top it off.......and keep it within a tenth gallon....it matters.
Do this a few times and you will get your actual MPG.
I get 14.5 MPG if I cruise at 70 MPH on relatively flat terrain for the 106 miles.
Yes TJ's get terrible MPG but you re re's are making it look a lot worse than it is.
You're right about speedometer accuracy, but to be accurate in your inaccuracy, your speedometer isn't simply off by a certain MPH, it's off by a percentage. The faster you go, the farther it's off. For example, when you're at a dead stop, your speedometer is exactly accurate @ 0 MPH.
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Ive been filling up with 87 and I replace my air filter with K&N intake and i average about 12 mpg. When I got it the deal said about 17 city mpg.
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The parking area next to the pump isn't made from poured concrete?
Of couse it is. Doesn't mean there isn't a slope. I'm surprised you didn't know this- concrete can be poured on a slope. For example, here's my driveway. If you want, I'll stop on my way home in a bit and take a pic of the station where I usually buy gas.

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I see that no matter what is said, there will always be a non-believer, the guy who always has to rationalize that what you have proven is wrong.
Sad guys. very sad.
To those who support the fact that it can be possible, or that it has happened.
congrats! and Thank you.
To those other guys.... I can't change a mind that is already made up. Please take your negativity and destructive criticism somewhere else.
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I see that no matter what is said, there will always be a non-believer, the guy who always has to rationalize that what you have proven is wrong.
Sad guys. very sad.
To those who support the fact that it can be possible, or that it has happened.
congrats! and Thank you.
To those other guys.... I can't change a mind that is already made up. Please take your negativity and destructive criticism somewhere else.
Thank you.
Get back to us with the tech and proof of why this works and we will believe you.




As far as level vs non level gas stations. Around here it's mom an pop stations so flat concrete. Sheets is flat with drains. I have seen them with the Crete laid to allow water runoff however. Like most garage floors and concrete or even asphalt driveways.
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I've gained 3-4 mpg average over 10 tanks of gas with a k/n air filter.
I am sure warm weather has a lot to play on mpg.
I am only running premium through this tank and maybe one more for information on how many more or less mpg can be got for my extra .40c / gallon.
I will also try days of nice driving, compared to beating the crap out of it.
I've put 3500 miles on since Jan. 1st. I have been tracking fuel consumption since I got it.
I should start a graph....
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I've gained 3-4 mpg average over 10 tanks of gas with a k/n air filter.
I am sure warm weather has a lot to play on mpg.
I am only running premium through this tank and maybe one more for information on how many more or less mpg can be got for my extra .40c / gallon.
I will also try days of nice driving, compared to beating the crap out of it.
I've put 3500 miles on since Jan. 1st. I have been tracking fuel consumption since I got it.
I should start a graph....
Do you have 10 tanks of pre CAI data and equal driving habits to compare it to? Wow, a 20% gain in mpg using something that is well accepted that achieves no measurable gains in mpgs. You must have gotten an awesome CAI. LOL
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Do you have 10 tanks of pre CAI data and equal driving habits to compare it to? Wow, a 20% gain in mpg using something that is well accepted that achieves no measurable gains in mpgs. You must have gotten an awesome CAI. LOL

While I don't completley believe the entirety of this post..... nowhere did he say he installed a CAI.... He simply said that he used a K&N filter.
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I've gained 3-4 mpg average over 10 tanks of gas with a k/n air filter.
I am sure warm weather has a lot to play on mpg.
I am only running premium through this tank and maybe one more for information on how many more or less mpg can be got for my extra .40c / gallon.
I will also try days of nice driving, compared to beating the crap out of it.
I've put 3500 miles on since Jan. 1st. I have been tracking fuel consumption since I got it.
I should start a graph....
3-4 mpg with a K&N? I averaged about 12-13 before my K&N. Since installing it I average around 12.1-13.1.
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