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Old 02-05-2013, 09:04 PM   #1
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2003 Rubicon if its an auto?

Hey all,

Came across something today.

2003 Rubi with 137K
3 tops: hard, soft, bikini
4" rough country long arm with 1.25 body
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Hard doors

But it's an auto. I'm not completely against an auto because of the ease of wheelin but would you go for it for around 7K???? Definitely takes away from the everyday fun factor of a stick but it's a rubicon and I never thought I'd be in the market for one (with what I want to spend).

Thoughts and opinions all welcome.

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$7k? salvage title?

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7k is a great deal ... If there is nothing wrong with it.
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The auto would be a plus.
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At 7k I'd be worried about a Rubi-Clone or some sort of major damage.

If not it could be a decent deal.
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7K is REALLY low for a Rubicon.... I smell something fishy.... look into this VERY closely

Do a VIN check and ensure a CLEAN title.
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RubiSport ?

I agree, tripple check that it's a real deal. That being said, you are in New Hampshire, so the frame could be a rusted out mess... ask me how I know! If you are serious, then I would definitely bring this to a garage with a lift and pay to have it inspected by a trained Jeep guy.
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Is it a craigslist scam? Sounds about 1/2 price...
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I would be seriously wary about that. I wouldn't do anything until I had a chance to write down the VIN and do a little research.
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Posted the wrong thing. Too early .
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2003 was the first year for the Rubicon. Price is way, way, way too cheap if it's a public ad (like craigslist.)
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That's a low price for a rubi, a real one that is. Make sure it's real, run the VIN, then make sure everything checks out, d44 f/r, axle locking.

At 7k, I would consider it to good to be true. Rubicons around me with similar mileage go for 14-16k.

If you really want a rubi, hold off until you find the right one. My rubi happened to fall into my lap at the right time, for the right price.
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If its legit then go for it if you don't mind the auto. I just bought a tj and one of my biggest things was that it had to be a manual so I ended driving almost two hours from home to get mine when there were autos closer. Then again, you can take the money you save on it and do a manual swap if you have the ability to do so.
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$7k? salvage title?
That's what I thought too! Apparently no? I thought repair too, no. I don't have a copy of it though.
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If you have a copy... have you verified the VIN on the title to the VIN on the Jeep? PERSONALLY?
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2003 was the first year for the Rubicon. Price is way, way, way too cheap if it's a public ad (like craigslist.)
No it's not (public). It's a private party that contacted me about selling. Agreed, on the price, that's why I posted up.

I can't find it on CL or classifieds. But it's locally registered and the person sent me pics of the truck with FS signs on it. So maybe legit, who knows.

I'm certainly biting but not hooked. I asked for the VIN to run it. I also asked for pics of the rear frame sections OR I'll come out ASAP today and see it. We shall see.

A clone? Eh, maybe. It would be pretty apparent though with a quick look. Even if I was that doubtful, a call to the stealer with the VIN solves that if the report doesn't say the trim (which 99% of the time it does).

I guess the only thing I'm weary of is the tranny, never had an auto. Wait, let me correct, never had an auto wrangler. I had the 42RLE in my KJ and 2 KK liberties (company issued personal cars!) and they saw PLENTY of beatings (hey I didn't pay the bills...). Nonetheless, the only auto wrangler I ever even rode in was a 98 sport and obivously that's not the same animal. Wondering if the newer trans holds up well on and off road and has the same feel.

I wanna see it. Agreed that it needs a proper and thorough JEEP inspection. I've cropped and renewed frame sections and body mounts....I know what I'm looking at. Personally I don't want a Jeep mechanic (if you're talking about a dealer) looking at it, no offense to indy shops. I'm a pessimist so I'm going to go there critically looking for a POS; then I'm impressed if it isn't.

Timing is NEVER on my side. We are getting a MASSIVE storm (snowmobiler) and go figure I'm flying out to Florida on a red eye! This ALSO means that if they don't get back to me I can't go look until I get back; that's almost 2 weeks away. Knowing my luck it's real, not rotten, but timing will bend me over once AGAIN!
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That's a low price for a rubi, a real one that is. Make sure it's real, run the VIN, then make sure everything checks out, d44 f/r, axle locking.

At 7k, I would consider it to good to be true. Rubicons around me with similar mileage go for 14-16k.

If you really want a rubi, hold off until you find the right one. My rubi happened to fall into my lap at the right time, for the right price.
YUP, pessimist all the way.

I know that name; you're on TSL. And I SAW that sweet a$$ rubi on there, major congrats.

I just sold my vig, we still got the AeroSS, but I'll be getting back into a 9-5 aero or classic 900 pretty soon as well. Gotta have SOMETHING to ride to Carlisle.
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I have the auto in my 06lj rubi and she is was easier to drive on mud and rocks than a stick. I would go for it.
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Some people just don't know what they have. I got my '03 Rubi with 125k for $7,500. It needed a lot of work (tires,speakers, all rotors brakes, the list goes on) It was easy because I could do all the work. IMO I got a steal, not to many out there.
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YUP, pessimist all the way.

I know that name; you're on TSL. And I SAW that sweet a$$ rubi on there, major congrats.

I just sold my vig, we still got the AeroSS, but I'll be getting back into a 9-5 aero or classic 900 pretty soon as well. Gotta have SOMETHING to ride to Carlisle.
Ah was gonna ask if you are on TSL! What is your handle on there? I have been around that site and Saabs in general for a while now (my entire driving life, actually). At the moment I still got my 1995 900 that I will probably drive down to Carlisle, maybe I will see you down there and we can talk Jeeps as well.

Got any pics of the former Vig you wanna share?

Back on topic, if this rubi is legit for 7k, it might not be around after your 2 week trip. But if it is a POS, it will be right there sitting and waiting for you . Maybe you should have someone head over to take a look at it just to give you an idea of what to expect, that way your not in the dark for the next 2 weeks.
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1) My first TJ came with a 5-speed manual transmission and my current TJ is an automatic Rubicon. Having owned and offroaded both types of transmissions, I would take the auto any day.

2) The fact it has a salvage title as my current Rubicon does is the main reason it would be so cheap. A salvage title significantly lowers a vehicle's value.
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A clone? Eh, maybe. It would be pretty apparent though with a quick look. Even if I was that doubtful, a call to the stealer with the VIN solves that if the report doesn't say the trim (which 99% of the time it does).
It depends on how the clone was done. I consider a clone to be just that, a Rubi in spirit with the axles, t-case and lockers which essentially gives you one without the hood badges.

I don't consider putting the stickers on to be a clone, so if I did a clone, it would be a lot more than that even if I started with a salvage vehicle simply due to the value of the parts and the time it takes to install them.
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It depends on how the clone was done. I consider a clone to be just that, a Rubi in spirit with the axles, t-case and lockers which essentially gives you one without the hood badges.

I don't consider putting the stickers on to be a clone, so if I did a clone, it would be a lot more than that even if I started with a salvage vehicle simply due to the value of the parts and the time it takes to install them.
If you did all that I dont know that you would want to advertise it with rubicon badges.

In practicality they end up being big "steal me!" stickers lol.

If i had to guess, thats why alot of people remove the badges all together.

Plus a clone probably wouldnt have the same resale value regardless of the badges.
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Ah was gonna ask if you are on TSL! What is your handle on there? I have been around that site and Saabs in general for a while now (my entire driving life, actually). At the moment I still got my 1995 900 that I will probably drive down to Carlisle, maybe I will see you down there and we can talk Jeeps as well.

Got any pics of the former Vig you wanna share?

Back on topic, if this rubi is legit for 7k, it might not be around after your 2 week trip. But if it is a POS, it will be right there sitting and waiting for you . Maybe you should have someone head over to take a look at it just to give you an idea of what to expect, that way your not in the dark for the next 2 weeks.
Just like you man, same name.....come on, SAABseanSCANIA on a jeep forum????? hahahahaha

Yeh if I don't pick something up I've got plenty of fast options to drive! That's the great thing about having your best buddy have multiple crazy tuned cars! I'll be there for sure, we'll have to meet up for the parties man. We were the ones this year with the car shown, a blue wagon dropped with black wheels, a LB 99 viggen, Automotion's red Sensonic, black convertible viggen, arctic white aero wagon with white RKII's, and a red vette convertible; we had the snapon tents with the coolers, grill, stereo going, etc. We were beside the big club show-tent.










Oh she was CLEAN. The new owner will be very happy. Those pics were at 154,700 miles. Yes you read that correctly....

I sold it because when I moved back up here I couldn't justify taking up a bay in the garage with a vehicle that I didn't want to drive in the winter; it didn't even have surface rust underneath...nothing.
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1) My first TJ came with a 5-speed manual transmission and my current TJ is an automatic Rubicon. Having owned and offroaded both types of transmissions, I would take the auto any day.

2) The fact it has a salvage title as my current Rubicon does is the main reason it would be so cheap. A salvage title significantly lowers a vehicle's value.
Jerry it IS a rebuilt title. Just got ahold of them.

Basically a Jeep only place purchased it out of NY with front end damage and fully rebuilt the whole truck. Mechnical (going by their word here) inspection doesn't show any sign of frame repair so the owner thinks either the frame wasn't affected OR the frame was replaced. I'll crawl around and look closer. Apparently it got reinspected as rebuilt and was issued a title; it has a current inspection sticker. I asked about frame rot and he said absolutely none. Maybe a new frame? The shop is literally 10 min from my house so I could go there and ask whats up as well; thats a good option.

After the rebuild, it was bought by the owner and went to another shop in NH to get all the components professionally installed. It has brand new tires, just installed, been aligned, etc.

With your experience, is it worth it? If I got it for 7K would it be a steep purchase or a steal? Even with it being a rebuilt. They're asking more than 7K by the way, I'm only going to pay that for a jeep.

My only issue would be buying a rebuilt car (which I've done before) and worried about paying too much so that it would never recover in resale. I plan on keeping it for a WHILE, but I want to know if you think it's worth it right now to pay around 7K (actually max 7K). Book NADA (which I never go by) is 12,425. I'm thinking rebuilt title takes at least 5 grand off.

I'm going to go look at it this afternoon, but from the pictures he took last night it's pretty mint looking (funny to say that about a rebuilt).

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Jerry it IS a rebuilt title. Just got ahold of them.

Basically a Jeep only place purchased it out of NY with front end damage and fully rebuilt the whole truck. Mechnical (going by their word here) inspection doesn't show any sign of frame repair so the owner thinks either the frame wasn't affected OR the frame was replaced. I'll crawl around and look closer. Apparently it got reinspected as rebuilt and was issued a title; it has a current inspection sticker. I asked about frame rot and he said absolutely none. Maybe a new frame? The shop is literally 10 min from my house so I could go there and ask whats up as well; thats a good option.

After the rebuild, it was bought by the owner and went to another shop in NH to get all the components professionally installed. It has brand new tires, just installed, been aligned, etc.

With your experience, is it worth it? If I got it for 7K would it be a steep purchase or a steal? Even with it being a rebuilt. They're asking more than 7K by the way, I'm only going to pay that for a jeep.

My only issue would be buying a rebuilt car (which I've done before) and worried about paying too much so that it would never recover in resale. I plan on keeping it for a WHILE, but I want to know if you think it's worth it right now to pay around 7K (actually max 7K). Book NADA (which I never go by) is 12,425. I'm thinking rebuilt title takes at least 5 grand off.

I'm going to go look at it this afternoon, but from the pictures he took last night it's pretty mint looking (funny to say that about a rebuilt).

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Something isn't adding up. It would be very difficult to do a front end rebuild to get a salvage title and even begin to break even at that price and that's if they got the rig for next to nothing and didn't have to replace the front axle and t-case.

Toss in any frame swap and unless your shop rats did it in their spare time for free on their lunch hours, it doesn't pencil out. Someone is taking a loss or something is being misrepresented.

Now, all that said, if the vehicle is clean at that price, jump on it.
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SAABseanSCANIA, be sure to read through this thread so it doesn't happen to you too. Just be careful.

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Yeh I read that and actually posted in it. I feel wicked bad for him, hence the legal mumbo jumbo.

I'm going to go over it with a fine tooth MICROSCOPE.
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Yeh I read that and actually posted in it. I feel wicked bad for him, hence the legal mumbo jumbo.

I'm going to go over it with a fine tooth MICROSCOPE.
Not really necessary. If you can verify the frame is sound, the axles are 44's with the lockers in them, know what the rubi case looks like and can tell that the locker switches in the dash work, you've got your money's worth.


At that price, if it drives down the road, don't make a bunch of noise and smoke and no pieces fall off, everything else is easily fixed and able to be done for the money you're paying.

My point is that it's way underpriced for what it is and the price doesn't warrant much other than some verification that's it's not all stuck together with sheet metal screws as long as all the Rubi bits are there.
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Story sounds very similar to mine. I bought it with a rebuilt title. Previous owner got it from a Jeep only place up north. (MN or WI somewhere I believe) Apparently thats what they do, buy salvaged titled jeeps and get them repaired enough to qualify as rebuilds, then sell them to jeepers as projects. My PO bought it and went back through it all, drove it for a couple years and then I got it. My title does not show salvaged or rebuilt, but it did show on the carfax.

All that being said, my '03 Rubi has been great, I love the damn thing! I had to do some things to it, but all in all nothing really that any 10 year old used vehicle wouldn't eventually need. No real surprises.

Hard to say for sure if it came from the same place mine did, but I'm completely happy with mine, and I paid right in the same price range.

I know this doesn't help you really, but the story was just too similar for me not to share it with you.

Hope it works out for you!

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