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Old 01-15-2012, 11:01 AM   #1
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3.25 lift... front track bar?

i but on a rough country 3.25 lift yesterday and instructions said drill a hole to relocate the front track bar... but were you have to move it to leaves like no metal to hold it in if you drill a hole... so the question is.. what did yall do to solve the problem..

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You have to drill the hole 3/4" towards the drivers side of the vehicle.

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Old 01-15-2012, 04:14 PM   #3
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someone should post pictures I'm looking at this lift and i've been wondering about that also
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Don't forget to reenforce the mount or you will risk ripping the trackbar out of the mount...I relocated mine when I installed my 3" lift and within days, it was loose in the mount and popping frequently. I kept tightening it and it continued working itself loose. I replaced it with a JKS adjustable a couple months later and my hole was wallowed out from the trackbar shifting so much. Haven't had any issues since installing the adjustable using the original hole.

One note with using an adjustable...you need to have the right amount of bumpstop extensions or your trackbar could contact your differential cover on bigger bumps. If it hits hard enough, that could be disastrous.
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Or just leave it where it is. Mine has been shifted over for almost 2 years to no ill effect.
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Or just leave it where it is. Mine has been shifted over for almost 2 years to no ill effect.
Of course, that's always an option...but if it were mine, constantly seeing it shifted would drive me nuts. lol
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Adjustable front trac bar is the solution honestly.
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Adjustable front trac bar is the solution honestly.
thats only if you're willing to sacrific uptravel by installing bumpstop extensions to prevent the new track bar from hitting the diff cover or tie-rod.

Nate_Stroud: here's what you want to do:
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I have a Teraflex adjustable trackbar and it doesn't even come close to the differential cover...
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I have a Teraflex adjustable trackbar and it doesn't even come close to the differential cover...
post pics at full bump with the springs removed.
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post pics at full bump with the springs removed.
One, I don't do cameras or pictures.

Two, any change I make to my suspension is done with a full cycle check.

Three, are you calling me a liar, MFKR?
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I just cut the wheels over till the hole and track bar lined up and put the bolt back in... I don't think my springs could compress down enough to make it touch the front diff...
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This is why you do full cycle checks when you modify your suspension. With springs out you check all clearances both at full compression, full drop, and if you're really paranoid at full compression on both sides. This last is really important if you're into any kind of jumping. It is dangerous to 'think' it will clear. You have to 'know' it will clear.
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Two, any change I make to my suspension is done with a full cycle check.
so prove it...post pics. lots of people claim their stuff works, but few can actually prove it at full bump.

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Three, are you calling me a liar, MFKR?
I'm not sure what MFKR is?

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I just cut the wheels over till the hole and track bar lined up and put the bolt back in... I don't think my springs could compress down enough to make it touch the front diff...
here's 1.375" bumpstop extension over stock at full bump, with an adjustable track bar and a V8 ZJ tie-rod. with a straight tie-rod, this track bar hits the tie-rod without 2" front bumpstop extension.



Notice I had to cut half the face off the diff cover to clear.


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Make sure you read the above thread before buying an adjustable track bar. Make sure to understand the problems & challenges.
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alot of suspension companys sell track bar relocation bracks. RE1611 - TRACK BAR DROP BRKT, TJ FRONT - Rubicon Express
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alot of suspension companys sell track bar relocation bracks. RE1611 - TRACK BAR DROP BRKT, TJ FRONT - Rubicon Express
those hit tie-rods, even with like 5" of lift


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so prove it...post pics. lots of people claim their stuff works, but few can actually prove it at full bump.


I'm not sure what MFKR is?



here's 1.375" bumpstop extension over stock at full bump, with an adjustable track bar and a V8 ZJ tie-rod. with a straight tie-rod, this track bar hits the tie-rod without 2" front bumpstop extension.



Notice I had to cut half the face off the diff cover to clear.


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I don't know who came up with the bend on your track bar but that is a bloody mess

It is the middle of winter here. I am not tearing down my front suspension for nobody, nohow, noway...

However in the spirit of good jeepism and all that crap I propose the following:

PM me your name and address. I'll send you a check for the purchase price of a Teraflex trackbar.

YOU buy it.

YOU install it.

YOU do a full cycle clearance check.

If the trackbar hits the differential cover, cash the check.

If it doesn't, send my check back.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is, ball's in your court

P.S. I don't require proof. I will take your word for it
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those hit tie-rods, even with like 5" of lift


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I don't know who came up with the bend on your track bar but that is a bloody mess
i don't disagree, but this is the current bend used by one of the major track bar manufacturers everybody looks to when they think of high quality track bars. Diff and track bar clearance isn't a trivial problem. I don't know of a track bar that clears at 0" of lift, other than the stocker. Currie & JKS both require 2" front bumpstop.

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It is the middle of winter here. I am not tearing down my front suspension for nobody, nohow, noway...
same here

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However in the spirit of good jeepism and all that crap I propose the following:

PM me your name and address. I'll send you a check for the purchase price of a Teraflex trackbar.

YOU buy it.

YOU install it.

YOU do a full cycle clearance check.

If the trackbar hits the differential cover, cash the check.

If it doesn't, send my check back.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is, ball's in your court

P.S. I don't require proof. I will take your word for it
I notice Teraflex says their track bar will not work with stock vehicles, and at least 3" of lift is required....

here's the bend difference:


PM sent.
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YOU buy it.

YOU install it.

YOU do a full cycle clearance check.
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I'm putting my money where my mouth is, ball's in your court
Update for everyone...I have finished the evaluation. I bought the Teraflex track bar, and tested with my highly modified SOLID cover and a stock D30 diff cover.

Both the stock diff cover, and my highly modified "SOLI" require 3.75-4" of bumpstop extension to prevent major clearance issues with the Teraflex track bar. You would need 4" of lift just to maintain stock uptravel.

My highly modified Solid cover (notice the whole rib at 2'o-clock is ground off):


and unmodified SOLID diff cover would require 4.5-5" of bumpstop extension with the Teraflex track bar.

Stock diff cover vs Teraflex track bar:



remember my goofy bend track bar? that uses 1.375" bumpstop extension, all other things being equal......now about that check...
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Update for everyone...I have finished the evaluation. I bought the Teraflex track bar, and tested with my highly modified SOLID cover and a stock D30 diff cover.

Both the stock diff cover, and my highly modified "SOLI" require 3.75-4" of bumpstop extension to prevent major clearance issues with the Teraflex track bar. You would need 4" of lift just to maintain stock uptravel.

My highly modified Solid cover (notice the whole rib at 2'o-clock is ground off):


and unmodified SOLID diff cover would require 4.5-5" of bumpstop extension with the Teraflex track bar.

Stock diff cover vs Teraflex track bar:



remember my goofy bend track bar? that uses 1.375" bumpstop extension, all other things being equal......now about that check...
Hey, no worries , the check is already in the mail Now if you will pm me your address or email or something the "next" check I send you might actually get to you...

P.S. I am still going WTF??? because I'm starting to feel like I'm in some alternate reality. I will be checking this out on my rig when it gets warmer because I need to bump it 3/4". I'll be doing a full cycle then so hopefully I can sort this out in my own mind.

P.P.S. This has been interesting, to say the least. Check out the CO forum. Perhaps you could join us on one of our "nastier" excursions You missed a great one out to the Gulches this weekend...
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Hey, no worries , the check is already in the mail Now if you will pm me your address or email or something the "next" check I send you might actually get to you...

P.S. I am still going WTF??? because I'm starting to feel like I'm in some alternate reality. I will be checking this out on my rig when it gets warmer because I need to bump it 3/4". I'll be doing a full cycle then so hopefully I can sort this out in my own mind.

P.P.S. This has been interesting, to say the least. Check out the CO forum. Perhaps you could join us on one of our "nastier" excursions You missed a great one out to the Gulches this weekend...
I'll PM you

and yes, I would definitely recommend a full bump check with the springs removed...honestly, you can look at it and see it's no where close to clearing the stock cover.

I don't wheel in the winter....hard top goes on and I save the gas money for running up I-70 to/from A-Basin, Breck, Keystone & Vail with snowboard buddies
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Or, if your paronoia is as great as mine, PM me a date and time and I will meet you in Castle Rock and give you a check with "Pay to the Order of" blank...
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I'll PM you

and yes, I would definitely recommend a full bump check with the springs removed...honestly, you can look at it and see it's no where close to clearing the stock cover.

I don't wheel in the winter....hard top goes on and I save the gas money for running up I-70 to/from A-Basin, Breck, Keystone & Vail with snowboard buddies
Oh, one of those, "it snows, I stop wheeling" I'd much rather break my neck in my jeep than on a snowboard. But, to each his own, however, I do have to admire you, I wouldn't have ripped apart my suspension this time of year for anything...
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I just wanted to say that this thread is awesome.
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Update for everyone...I have finished the evaluation. I bought the Teraflex track bar, and tested with my highly modified SOLID cover and a stock D30 diff cover.

Both the stock diff cover, and my highly modified "SOLI" require 3.75-4" of bumpstop extension to prevent major clearance issues with the Teraflex track bar. You would need 4" of lift just to maintain stock uptravel.

remember my goofy bend track bar? that uses 1.375" bumpstop extension, all other things being equal......now about that check...
Could you satisfy my curiosity about something?

You have 3 1/4 inch lift, right? Please correct if wrong.

What are the center to center lengths of your front upper and lower control arms?

I hope you are getting a chance to enjoy all the powder we got over the weekend
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Could you satisfy my curiosity about something?

You have 3 1/4 inch lift, right? Please correct if wrong.

What are the center to center lengths of your front upper and lower control arms?

I hope you are getting a chance to enjoy all the powder we got over the weekend
honestly, i don't know what my "lift height" is anymore. i stopped paying attention a long time ago, and started focusing on gained uptravel & downtravel instead.

That said, my control arms lengths are close to stock. Uppers are a stock length (15" eye to eye), and the lowers are 16-1/8" (stock is 15.75"), which got me to 6.5° of caster. Thats approx. the same length as stock arms + cam bolts (which I ran before replacing the arms).
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honestly, i don't know what my "lift height" is anymore. i stopped paying attention a long time ago, and started focusing on gained uptravel & downtravel instead.

That said, my control arms lengths are close to stock. Uppers are a stock length (15" eye to eye), and the lowers are 16-1/8" (stock is 15.75"), which got me to 6.5° of caster. Thats approx. the same length as stock arms + cam bolts (which I ran before replacing the arms).
Gee, you almost sound like Imped Actually, I agree,suspension travel and articulation are really what matter. I was using "lift as a rough reference point.

If you would indulge me a bit further, could you give me your distance from the frame just behind the tire to the ground on a level surface and your tire diameter?

As I say, this has gotten me curious and as I have been studying my suspension I noticed an anomaly in my steering geometry and I am curious as to how it relates to yours. See, my control arms are almost exactly the same as yours (lower is 1/8 longer, upper the same). So I am looking at the effective "length" of the lower control arm relative to the angle of said arm. Hence my question about "lift".

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