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Old 08-17-2012, 10:46 AM   #31
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I think mine lugs because its also automatic with that stupid over kill overdrive jeep put in.
I do believe that the standard transmission makes a world of difference.

I also believe that the relative light weight of the Duratrac's helps in my case.

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:52 AM   #32
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Tire and wheel weight have a big part they play. The 4 speed auto sucks. The 3 speed is the best. If you know how to drive manual well they are all roughly the same and in the middle.

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:53 AM   #33
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I have 33x12.5, 3:73 and 42 Automatic in my 03.

- I stepped into this as a DD after driving my well modified Mustang as a DD for 18 years so i know what acceleration is.

- I do not have any issues with the auto/3:73/33x12.5 and acceleration. It will pick up speed well enough.

- NO ISSUES or PROBLRMS crusing at 80+. Very stable and can pick up more from there.
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I've been running 33/12.5 Trxus for several years with 3:73 gears/4.0/AX-15 combo. No complaints. Could it be better? Sure. Does this work for me? You betcha.
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I believe the real issue is a lot of people want and run big tires but can't afford to gear for them. So then they convince themselves the gears they own work fine. The gears are lower priority because they can't be seen. Just my take on the subject
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:33 PM   #36
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I believe the real issue is a lot of people want and run big tires but can't afford to gear for them. So then they convince themselves the gears they own work fine. The gears are lower priority because they can't be seen. Just my take on the subject
There's no convincing. They do work "fine" and that's the exact word. They ate not optimal. No ones arguing that. But tell me this, whose to say what acceptable gearing is. Is is my opinion, or jerrys, or yours, or another forum members, or the engineers at jeep, or even the pope? That's the point of opinion. If it works for you then it works. End of story. When it comes to relating information to another person we can only explain to them the facts. They will still have their own opinion.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:35 PM   #37
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I believe the real issue is a lot of people want and run big tires but can't afford to gear for them. So then they convince themselves the gears they own work fine. The gears are lower priority because they can't be seen. Just my take on the subject
Can I afford gears - Yes

Convince myself - No. 47 years old and have driven enough vehicles and one wil plenty of acceleration. I know it does well enought. True though if I tried driving one with more gear, I might change opinion.

Not low priority because they can't be seen.
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The Pope knows gearing? That's crazy, yo.
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Mine 2.5 with 4.10s and 31 10.50 will hit 75 80 mphs. I have put a ton of new parts on in the past few months trying the shotgun aproach at a problem and I think that helps a bit.
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There's no convincing. They do work "fine" and that's the exact word. They ate not optimal. No ones arguing that. But tell me this, whose to say what acceptable gearing is. Is is my opinion, or jerrys, or yours, or another forum members, or the engineers at jeep, or even the pope? That's the point of opinion. If it works for you then it works. End of story. When it comes to relating information to another person we can only explain to them the facts. They will still have their own opinion.
Point taken.
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- NO ISSUES or PROBLRMS crusing at 80+. Very stable and can pick up more from there.
come play in the mountains and follow my 42RLE/4.88s/33s. I bet that opinion changes quickly.
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come play in the mountains and follow my 42RLE/4.88s/33s. I bet that opinion changes quickly.
Imagine if you had the 32rh now

I admit I can't wait til I regear. But I'm not regearing axles that I'm going to be swapping out soon. It's pointless.
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I have 3.73s and hate them. I have grown to tolerate them but that's it. No power on the highway and slow crawling can be tough. I have a lot I want to do with my ride but will not regear until I've made up my mind on whether I'll convert to auto and also have the cash to throw lockers at my axles. In the meantime they've taken a back seat to armor.
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... though if I tried driving one with more gear, I might change opinion.
That says it all right there. People are usually happy with what they have until they experience something better or more appropriate.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:32 PM   #45
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I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I have no desire to do 80mph in my TJ.
I agree, no chance of surviving a crash in a jeep at that speed. So glad those days are over for me in cars.
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Well for my needs I do need to regear.I drive about 2 hrs for most of my wheeling & its long,pretty steep hills.If my drive was flat ground only,like it sounds is the case for many of you than I wouldent be in need of gears.But considering my drive & the fact it will perform much better when I am wheeling I am not hesitant about spending the money.So thats my winter project.An 8.8 w/ a ARB locker in the rear,keep my Aussie up front & add gears,4:56 gears that is.
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Well for my needs I do need to regear.I drive about 2 hrs for most of my wheeling & its long,pretty steep hills.If my drive was flat ground only,like it sounds is the case for many of you than I wouldent be in need of gears.But considering my drive & the fact it will perform much better when I am wheeling I am not hesitant about spending the money.So thats my winter project.An 8.8 w/ a ARB locker in the rear,keep my Aussie up front & add gears,4:56 gears that is.
Nice project. Similar to what I'll be doing next summer. Funny thing is I live in the middle of the Appalachian mountains and drive 2.5 hours to Rausch to wheel. I stick with my buddy who is regeared for 32s and invertchaos who has 4.56s and 33s. Ask them and I hung with them at 80 mph through the mountains on the turnpike with my 3.07s. It helps that I have the 32rh trans. I can't imagine a manual with those gears. A regear would help but it's actually not bad, I even pulled 18 mpg on the trip down to Rausch.
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LOL I bet they are having this very same argument over on the Corvette Z06 Forum. It is all relative. Some are very happy with what they have. Some want more. Some are driven to be the best. Not everyone has to be the best. That is why Jeep made 2.5 TJ's but not 2.5 TJ Rubicon's.
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LOL I bet they are having this very same argument over on the Corvette Z06 Forum. It is all relative. Some are very happy with what they have. Some want more. Some are driven to be the best. Not everyone has to be the best. That is why Jeep made 2.5 TJ's but not 2.5 TJ Rubicon's.
And some people have more money and some don't care. I agree completely with you
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I'm running 33" Duratrac's with 3.73 gears and a 6 speed. I can hit 85 with no problem, even hit 90 once, backed off as it didn't seem to be wise to do that sort of speed on 33" tires. As for hills, not too many around here in South Louisiana, but we have a lot of bridges and I have never had an issue with them.
Even with the 3.73's I can let my Jeep idle up the inclines of the garage at the office in 2nd gear, 2wd.
Could it be better? Sure. But I think I can live with it as it is for a while.

As for the level of D-bags.... yeah, I have noticed it. I have never seen such pissing contest as what I have witnessed since I bought my Jeep. Makes me sick. It feels like you can't read a single thread without someone basically saying "my shit is better than yours" or "what you bought sucks because you didn't pay enough for it"... makes me miss the days of my old VW's, those guys were so much more down to Earth.
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LOL I bet they are having this very same argument over on the Corvette Z06 Forum. It is all relative. Some are very happy with what they have. Some want more. Some are driven to be the best. Not everyone has to be the best. That is why Jeep made 2.5 TJ's but not 2.5 TJ Rubicon's.
Like I said in the beginning…. we're all on the same team. This is kinda ridicules. I just want to show Lifted TJ that a Jeep with 33" tires and 3.73 gearing is capable of going over 60 mph…. and if he can't do that then look somewhere else as to why. Period!

My intention was not to get into a pissing contest as to who is better or what is better or what is right and proper.
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That says it all right there. People are usually happy with what they have until they experience something better or more appropriate.
Exactly. Only people that have never driven anything better can try to argue that a 3.xx ratio is acceptable with oversized tires.
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Check here if you wanna quit the whats right and who's right and mines the best and you're wrong and your mother's ugly and help this guy with his problem. I think it's time to let this thread die a peaceful death…

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/cant...ar-179054.html
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Don't be mad Coley. I was in no way pointing any fingers at you. Just the arguments that go on.
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I agree it can die. I have had my share of know it alls and fan boys. At the end of the day everyone still has their own opinion and most are too stubborn to either let it be or listen to the truth. No one can say what's acceptable for another person because they aren't them. But some people can't get that through their ignorant bloated heads.
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Nice project. Similar to what I'll be doing next summer. Funny thing is I live in the middle of the Appalachian mountains and drive 2.5 hours to Rausch to wheel. I stick with my buddy who is regeared for 32s and invertchaos who has 4.56s and 33s. Ask them and I hung with them at 80 mph through the mountains on the turnpike with my 3.07s. It helps that I have the 32rh trans. I can't imagine a manual with those gears. A regear would help but it's actually not bad, I even pulled 18 mpg on the trip down to Rausch.
Next year me and a buddy of mine who has a very similar TJ to mine plan on doing Rausch.How is it? Gotta try my new gears!
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Next year me and a buddy of mine who has a very similar TJ to mine plan on doing Rausch.How is it? Gotta try my new gears!
Keep tabs on the trail section. We just had a WF East Coast Rausch trip -last month and had some upstaters there as well. The next scheduled one is Oct 12-14.
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Next year me and a buddy of mine who has a very similar TJ to mine plan on doing Rausch.How is it? Gotta try my new gears!
Its pretty awesome :thumb'
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Next year me and a buddy of mine who has a very similar TJ to mine plan on doing Rausch.How is it? Gotta try my new gears!
It's a ton of fun. I went out there expecting to have a ton of fun. I had twice as much as I imagined. I also ran a lot harder trails than I expected. Lockers and some armor and a good spotter will get you a lot of places. Lots of dings and used the skids alot but no major damage and a ton of fun. Ran a lot of blacks. Most are doable with at least 33s and one locker. if you have a tummy tuck and gas skid as well you can probably do the rest pretty easily. The jump to reds is insane, at least the hard red lines. Nearly everything has a bypass these days.


And x2 on these guys ^. Our trip was a blast. Still hoping I can swing this next one.
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4.11s, 35s, and the 6 speed and it works perfect for me. I still start in 2nd a lot and 6th is fine on the freeway. 4.11s and 31s was too much gear. 1st was worthless on the street and trail. 6th was too low on the freeway. I wouldn't want steeper gears at all, but maybe a 4 speed tcase.

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