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Old 08-27-2012, 11:07 AM   #31
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except for that flimsy stock diff cover
I experienced that a few weeks ago at the night run in Sayersbrook, I was going down a huge wet rock and I slipped off and it grabbed my pumpkin and it damn near ripped off that cover. I had to beat it back on straight. A Solid is soon to come.

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The c-clips themselves don't weaken an axle or axle shaft. The only problem c-clip design axles have is if the axle shaft breaks, the axle shaft will slide out since there is no exterior axle shaft retainer to hold it in place like a Dana 44 has. The Dana 35's real problem is its axle shaft strength, not that it uses c-clips. Same with the 8.8 axle, its c-clips don't cause or encourage anything to break .

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I have 35 behind a 4.8 V8 with 35 inch tires. It's open 4.10. So far daily driver 6k miles and two all day pretty rough off road trips to turkey bay. I'm building a 8.8 replacement but I'm beginning to think the weakness of this axle is over blown, and it's more how you drive it . IMO
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I have 35 behind a 4.8 V8 with 35 inch tires. It's open 4.10. So far daily driver 6k miles and two all day pretty rough off road trips to turkey bay. I'm building a 8.8 replacement but I'm beginning to think the weakness of this axle is over blown, and it's more how you drive it . IMO
Don't be mistaken, they can and will fail quite easily once you slap on 35s and/or a locker. On a trip to Rausch last year a friend brought his TJ up for the first time. It was on brand new 35s that hadn't even touched the pavement yet, along with a D35 in the rear. It snapped without even trying. On the other hand I've seen people drive like their on a busted knuckle video and their D35 will last fine all day long.

I'd be extra cautious on 35s, but open with 33s you should have little to worry about.
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I have 35 behind a 4.8 V8 with 35 inch tires. It's open 4.10. So far daily driver 6k miles and two all day pretty rough off road trips to turkey bay. I'm building a 8.8 replacement but I'm beginning to think the weakness of this axle is over blown, and it's more how you drive it . IMO
Its problems are not overblown with oversize tires. Even those two monkeys in the One Car Too Far program busted their Dana 35 with 33" tires while not hammering it, they were in fact going down hill when it happened. I've seen many busted Dana 35c axles on the trail and assisted several in getting back to camp... few were doing anything unusually outrageous to their axles at the time.
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Its problems are not overblown with oversize tires. Even those two monkeys in the One Car Too Far program busted their Dana 35 with 33" tires while not hammering it, they were in fact going down hill when it happened. I've seen many busted Dana 35c axles on the trail and assisted several in getting back to camp... few were doing anything unusually outrageous to their axles at the time.
Wow down hill!

Yes do agree Im probably on borrowed time. I had to really baby it this last trip. I have also noticed a little slack as it starts rolling from a stop as I apply power.

Im looking forward to being able to hit the power and not hold back. :-) my luck ill finally get the 8.8 under it and let it loose and break it lol.
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Im looking in to an 8.8 swap and depending on yhe price I'll do that with some 33s, but if the price isnt right I'll just go with 31s or 32s. Even with 31s I'd be happy.
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Are you going to swap the 8.8 and then possibly run 31s? If so, just know you'll be dragging that 8.8 everywhere offroad. The 8.8 is one pig of an axle, and I'm already dragging it with my 33s; I'm anxiously awaiting my 35s to help alleviate that. Just a heads up.
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Are you going to swap the 8.8 and then possibly run 31s? If so, just know you'll be dragging that 8.8 everywhere offroad. The 8.8 is one pig of an axle, and I'm already dragging it with my 33s; I'm anxiously awaiting my 35s to help alleviate that. Just a heads up.
I would do 33s with the 8.8 and 31s on the D35. How much clearance would you say you have from the ground to the lowest point on the axle with your 33s?
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Can you run 33's yes, but you have to be careful. This is based on me pulling several busted one's off the trail. The thing that will kill a dana 35 is wheel speed, and/or all the force on one wheel. The last one that busted was due to wheel speed, it was on stock 205's) tires. It was trying to come up a hill, too much gas, and it had open diffs, this was a TJ. .
I agree. We just did the 17 mile Rubicon trip with two TJ's both with Open D-35's and 33" tires. The other Jeep broke an axle in the first mile from trying to over speed up a rock ledge with a full load of air in his tires. Once we replaced the axle, aired him down, and he learned how to drive, no more problems for the remaining 16 miles.
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Im not putting a locker in so I dont need to worry about that. I have a 6 speed so I'll need to regear most likely. And fom why Ive heard, I wanna get the 4.88s, I dont think the 4.11s or 4.56s, or whatever the gears are, is enough. Am I right?
no locker? then who cares run 33's till it breaks. save all your money for a swap (I.E. do not regear a D35!)
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I agree. We just did the 17 mile Rubicon trip with two TJ's both with Open D-35's and 33" tires. The other Jeep broke an axle in the first mile from trying to over speed up a rock ledge with a full load of air in his tires. Once we replaced the axle, aired him down, and he learned how to drive, no more problems for the remaining 16 miles.
I was there from 24-27 Aug. Was that your buddy on the slabs at Loon Lake with the Red TJ? I would have stopped if I had parts, but only had spare front shafts.

I too run 33's ( geared to 4.56 ) on a D35, but the LSD version. I know I am on borrowed times, but the style and finesse is a big part of the longevity of the axle in my opinion.
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I would do 33s with the 8.8 and 31s on the D35. How much clearance would you say you have from the ground to the lowest point on the axle with your 33s?
I haven't measured to see exactly, but it's much less clearance than the D35 or D44. If you're going to run 35s or larger eventually it's fine, but with 33s I've been dragging it more than a little. Places where I would never have to worry before I'm now hitting. It's not a show stopper, but I'm very anxious to get some 35s just so I'm not dragging this thing everywhere.

And this applies mainly to rock crawling. If you don't play in the rocks much it might not effect you as much, but for me it's definitely a problem.
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I was there from 24-27 Aug. Was that your buddy on the slabs at Loon Lake with the Red TJ? I would have stopped if I had parts, but only had spare front shafts.

I too run 33's ( geared to 4.56 ) on a D35, but the LSD version. I know I am on borrowed times, but the style and finesse is a big part of the longevity of the axle in my opinion.
I don't know about buddy, but it was my brother, and yes, it was the red one sittin' in the gear oil.. I had to go back to Sacramento to get the shaft the next morning, and once we got it put in the rest of the trip was mechanically okay save for the normal rock rash. I've got 4:56's in mine as well, and 33's (they actually measure closer to 32's) and didn't have any issues. That was a great weekend up there...

I think you're right about style and finesse. If you already know you're working with something that probably is marginal at best, you have to learn to give it every advantage and not add stress that you don't need to.
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I haven't measured to see exactly, but it's much less clearance than the D35 or D44. If you're going to run 35s or larger eventually it's fine, but with 33s I've been dragging it more than a little. Places where I would never have to worry before I'm now hitting. It's not a show stopper, but I'm very anxious to get some 35s just so I'm not dragging this thing everywhere.

And this applies mainly to rock crawling. If you don't play in the rocks much it might not effect you as much, but for me it's definitely a problem.
I dont do much rock crawling, but I want lots of clearance, obviously. Would the 33s on the 8.8 have more clearance than just getting 31s or 32s with the D35? Or would they be close to the same?
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I dont do much rock crawling, but I want lots of clearance, obviously. Would the 33s on the 8.8 have more clearance than just getting 31s or 32s with the D35? Or would they be close to the same?
When you say clearance I assume you mean below the pumpkin , as larger tire size would also affect center, front and rear incline (called something else I think, break over or something)

I measured my 35 center of axle to the bottom of pumpkin 4 1/4 in

8.8 is 6 in center to bottom of pumpkin diff of 1 3/4

soo I guess that means a 31 on a d35 would be about the same as 33 on 8.8 but thats just the pumpkin. 33 on the 8.8 would be 2 in higher in the center

Or just do the 8.8 with 35" then you'll get that 1 3/4 back and 1/4 more
These numbers correct I think someone else may have more accurate measurements IDK
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I have been DDing and pounding my 35 offroad on 33's for 2 years now with no I'll effects. I have been running 3.07's though, 4.88's might change that.
How bad of a dog is it with the 3.07's? Thats what my jeep has in it and hearing the stories on here has made me hold back on getting my lift and 33's. Is it really as bad as what everyone says it will be?
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its not that bad i just did it last night. granted I am happy to be regearing next week.
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When you say clearance I assume you mean below the pumpkin , as larger tire size would also affect center, front and rear incline (called something else I think, break over or something)

I measured my 35 center of axle to the bottom of pumpkin 4 1/4 in

8.8 is 6 in center to bottom of pumpkin diff of 1 3/4

soo I guess that means a 31 on a d35 would be about the same as 33 on 8.8 but thats just the pumpkin. 33 on the 8.8 would be 2 in higher in the center

Or just do the 8.8 with 35" then you'll get that 1 3/4 back and 1/4 more
These numbers correct I think someone else may have more accurate measurements IDK
I dont know if my little 4 cyl can push 35s or if I can even afford them with the 8.8! Haha, but if the clearance on the rear axle is the same with 33s on an 8.8 and te 31s on a D35, I might just do 31s and put te money saved toward like a tummy tuck or something
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I dont know if my little 4 cyl can push 35s or if I can even afford them with the 8.8! Haha, but if the clearance on the rear axle is the same with 33s on an 8.8 and te 31s on a D35, I might just do 31s and put te money saved toward like a tummy tuck or something
Just for giggles one day we put my 35" on a bud of mines 2.5 with auto and 3.73 gears and it did ok with them actually; on Hwy , didnt test off rd though.
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Honestly, it sounds like you're not sure what you want to do with your Jeep yet. If you can do what you want with your Jeep offroad on 31s, then I don't really see the point in going bigger except for looks. If that is the case, 33s will hold up just fine with your D35. I would guess that's the case for the majority on this board.

Until you start doing more aggressive stuff offroad, I would forget about the 8.8 and just enjoy what you have. Get either 33s or smaller tires and wheel your Jeep to see what upgrades you truly need before dumping a ton of money into things you won't actually put to use.
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Honestly, it sounds like you're not sure what you want to do with your Jeep yet. If you can do what you want with your Jeep offroad on 31s, then I don't really see the point in going bigger except for looks. If that is the case, 33s will hold up just fine with your D35. I would guess that's the case for the majority on this board.

Until you start doing more aggressive stuff offroad, I would forget about the 8.8 and just enjoy what you have. Get either 33s or smaller tires and wheel your Jeep to see what upgrades you truly need before dumping a ton of money into things you won't actually put to use.
X2. You can do a lot of wheeling on 33s and a d35 as long as your not locked in rear and don't drive in an excessively stupid manner.
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I had 3.07's and 31's... I never used 5th unless going downhill.... I do live in a mountainous region though. I did go to the Rubicon with 31's and 3.07's last year and the crawl ratio sucked! It was MUCH better this year on 33's and 4.56's.

Like it has been said... the D35 can be wheeled on 33's and holds up if you don't mistreat it and push it past it's boundaries.... I have been wheeling mine pretty good with no issues... yet.
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Honestly, it sounds like you're not sure what you want to do with your Jeep yet. If you can do what you want with your Jeep offroad on 31s, then I don't really see the point in going bigger except for looks. If that is the case, 33s will hold up just fine with your D35. I would guess that's the case for the majority on this board.

Until you start doing more aggressive stuff offroad, I would forget about the 8.8 and just enjoy what you have. Get either 33s or smaller tires and wheel your Jeep to see what upgrades you truly need before dumping a ton of money into things you won't actually put to use.
X3....figure out what you want to wind up with in the end and make a plan to reach that goal without buying a bunch of stuff you don't need in between (I wish I would've done that). If you keep it the way it is while you shop for parts you actually need to reach your goal a little at a time, it gives you more $'s to work with and time to find the best deals.
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How bad of a dog is it with the 3.07's? Thats what my jeep has in it and hearing the stories on here has made me hold back on getting my lift and 33's. Is it really as bad as what everyone says it will be?
I drove mine for about 2 months on 33"s with the stock 3:07 before regearing. It wasn't too bad starting from a stop (this is a 4.0), but on the freeway, you will have to get to about 65 before you can use 5th gear. The power band isn't very good with that set up and you actually loose gas mileage....also not good for climbing grades in the mountains. Now if you want to cruise around at about 80mph, it would probably be good...
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If you guys think the D35 can hold up to 33s and 4.88s with some easy wheeling and the snow, then I think Im gonna do that till I get some cash or get my tax returns and do an 8.8 swap.
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I know that I would be able to wheel it if it were me.... but You are not me.... Respect it, and you shouldn't have a problem.... don't be a throttle jockey
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Over a year later, still over 3.07/ and 33s. Northwest you know I wheel. 4.88s can handle it but be smart.
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Over a year later, still over 3.07/ and 33s. Northwest you know I wheel. 4.88s can handle it but be smart.
I'd just have to be more concious about it, but I think I can keep it under control. I already I have to choose my lines really well with 29s. I wheel better than my friend with a huge cherokee on 35s...And Im not putting a locker in, so no need to worry about that.

With 33s I'll need to regear the front as well then, right?
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I'd just have to be more concious about it, but I think I can keep it under control. I already I have to choose my lines really well with 29s. I wheel better than my friend with a huge cherokee on 35s...And Im not putting a locker in, so no need to worry about that.

With 33s I'll need to regear the front as well then, right?
IMO try the 33" without re-gearing for a while and see. And yes if you want to engage 4x4 then the front has to match. It doesnt matter if in 2 wheel drive.

Here is another idea Jeep Parts, Jeep Accessories & Jeep Soft Tops From The Jeep Parts Experts - Quadratec on this chart find your ratio and tire size. Then determine what ratio to do based on fuel , power and such. Once you have the new reading, like 33 tire 4.88 G = 3230 then look on the one that matches your current gear set. Look for a tire size closest to your target you picked. What ever tire size that is would be a good comparison to know what the Jeep will drive like IF you did that gear swap. A little trouble but better than gearing and then hating it IMO

I did a set of 29" (borrowed) to see what my 35" would be like on 4.88 compared to my current 4.10

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