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Old 11-16-2011, 08:49 PM   #121
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Yea, make sure to keep the rod and rod cap together. they cant be mismatched. mark the rod and cap in a way that they cant get mixed up. Number or letter stamps, even a center punch or chisel can work. Cant remember if there numbered from the factory or not.

Also i make little marks on engines where studs go when i tear them down so that i know where they go when i put them back together. Its not bad on a 4.0 jeep, few on the valve cover, some have a couple on the chain cover. take a look at a 4.6 ford if you want to see a motor that went over board on studs. lol. its like ford got a new machine that made bolts with studs on the end and they put them every where

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Old 11-17-2011, 11:51 AM   #122
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Good tips. I am always worried that I am going to get something out of place. I used the blue painters tape and number method when I pulled the head off... It looked like I had a fight with blue tape in the engine compartment. It worked well though, I didn't get anything out of place, thank goodness.

I will start removing everything tonight (radiator, exhaust manifolds, exhaust, etc..) don't know how far I will get, but should go smooth. I shouldn't have to remove the head to pull the engine right?

I guess we should document the tear down for everyone with pics. I will post pics if you all will label and comment...lol

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You can leave the head on the block no problem
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:40 PM   #124
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Ok, this should be an easy part to remove but what's the trick? I have the 36mm tool but can't fit my socket in between to hold the thing still. Tried 30 different ways.

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""".....looking at the input shaft and the output shaft....the two should be very much synchronized....if they are not, you have slop in the box"""
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:59 AM   #125
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Ok, this should be an easy part to remove but what's the trick? I have the 36mm tool but can't fit my socket in between to hold the thing still. Tried 30 different ways.

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Smack your wrench with a hammer. (leave the belt on)
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:12 PM   #126
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Yeah, use a BFH..like this 2.2Lbs one:

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Old 11-19-2011, 02:41 PM   #127
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By any chance would that be reverse threads. I don't know for sure, never took one off. Does anybody know for sure?
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:44 PM   #128
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its right hand thread.
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:02 PM   #129
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What do I hold the pully with to keep it from spinning? These don't fit.

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Well, the bottom one is the right size but the bolts don't stick out far enough for it to work.

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And it appears from the marks, someone has tightened the heck out of it in the past with an impact.
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This one thing is holding me up from having the engine out by Sunday night... Lol... I'm optimistic
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Am i supposed to be removing the huge 36mm nut (to take the fan off before the pully) or the 4 bolts, and the fan is attached to that
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Need to unscrew the big nut. I have used Chanel locks before to hold the pulley.
I know a guy that swears by a strap wrench and it works pretty good on lots of stuff. I think its sold as a oil filter wrench, not sure, It has a rubber,nylon type strap, like one inch wide and maybe 18-20 in long. One side is attached to a handle and then raps around a object and fits back in to a slot in the handle.

The more pressure thats put on the handle the more it clamps down and holds.

I've had good luck with just a wrench and a hammer.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:48 PM   #133
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:00 AM   #134
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And it appears from the marks, someone has tightened the heck out of it in the past with an impact.
Since the nut unscrews when moved to the left, it seems someone banged it loose (or tried to) before you...

You could try the same, take a metal rod or a chisel for metal or something and put that on the edge of the nut. Give it a good bang and usualy the nut gives. Then you can spin the fan off by hand.
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just a thought but would pulling the 4 bolts holding the fan blades in place out and removing the blades give you more room to get better leverage? or would the pulley spin if you took the blades out? not sure if your having to hold them at the same time or not
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:47 AM   #136
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Just ordered this for $12. Pick up at lunch and after work there will be no issue and I will have another tool
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Just ordered this for $12. Pick up at lunch and after work there will be no issue and I will have another tool
What tool is that?
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:31 PM   #138
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That's the filter wrench you were talking about, LOL..
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just a thought but would pulling the 4 bolts holding the fan blades in place out and removing the blades give you more room to get better leverage? or would the pulley spin if you took the blades out? not sure if your having to hold them at the same time or not
The fan is bolted to the backside of the viscous clutch, so if you take the bolts out you still cannot get the blades off. With the engine cold, the blades spin free so you cannot hold anything with them. Taking the bolts out the pulley only makes a bigger mess since then the pulley will be flopping about over the fan nut.

The fan is fitted to the waterpump's main axle.



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Tailhole - I've been watching this thread with some interest and I'm curious why you asked about the adjustable filter wrench Itsfun00 bought for this job. Isn't this the type of strap wrench you suggested he try? Just curious.

You wrote earlier, "I know a guy that swears by a strap wrench and it works pretty good on lots of stuff. I think its sold as a oil filter wrench, not sure, It has a rubber,nylon type strap, like one inch wide and maybe 18-20 in long. One side is attached to a handle and then raps around a object and fits back in to a slot in the handle. The more pressure thats put on the handle the more it clamps down and holds."
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The fan is bolted to the backside of the viscous clutch, so if you take the bolts out you still cannot get the blades off. With the engine cold, the blades spin free so you cannot hold anything with them. Taking the bolts out the pulley only makes a bigger mess since then the pulley will be flopping about over the fan nut.

The fan is fitted to the waterpump's main axle.



good to know, like i said just an idea ive only taken the fan out of an S10 and a 68 ford pickup before and it just required taking the bolts out, i was actually thinking about pulling my fan and painting it red but i guess i wont be doing that lol!
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Here's how I would try to do it:

Take a socket of the correct size that fits one of the 4 bolts on the serpintine pully at the water pump, stick the socket on the upper right hand bolt, then take same size 12 point box end wrench and put it on the left hand upper bolt so that the handle is aranged to be above the socket on the first bolt as close as you can get it to the socket.

Then take your large wrench that you're trying to loosen the large fan mounting nut/whatever it's really called, and try to loosen it. As you turn the large wrench the small wrench should tighten sligtly and jam itself against the socket, you might need to slip a larger box end wrench over the open end side of the smaller wrench to give you more leverage kinda like a cheater bar, and you might need to place the tip of your thumb against the socket on the top right bolt head to prevent the socket from falling off the bolt head, but then you should be able to prevent the pully from free spinning and hopefully be able to remove the fan assembly.

I'm not 100% it would work, but that's what I would try if I was going to do it.


In the picture above it looks like the Strap wrench would work well if you have the serpentine belt removed from the pully.
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That's the filter wrench you were talking about, LOL..
Sorry, sorry. my bad. when I seen the post at lunch there was no Picture
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Just ordered this for $12. Pick up at lunch and after work there will be no issue and I will have another tool
Yes, that is it. Sorry i swear there wasnt a pix when I first looked. lol.
Its a real handy tool. I dont have the rubber/nylon strap one, I have been wanting one just dont think about it till i need it.

The one I got is a little more heavy duty but it leaves marks.

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Yeah, but I bet your chain works a ton better than the various "band" types. I have one of those like the Craftsman photo and the band stretches at the wrong time ... and I have one that is more like leather which tends to slip when you most want it to hold tight. Arrgh!

Good luck with your Craftsman, Itsfun00. Last thing I want to do is jinx your work by telling old war stories.
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Yeah, but I bet your chain works a ton better than the various "band" types. I have one of those like the Craftsman photo and the band stretches at the wrong time ... and I have one that is more like leather which tends to slip when you most want it to hold tight. Arrgh!

Good luck with your Craftsman, Itsfun00. Last thing I want to do is jinx your work by telling old war stories.
The one I've got does grip better. It just leaves scares from where it's been.
I just believe the one with the rubber/nylon strap will grab and not nick up the pulley.
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The one I got is a little more heavy duty but it leaves marks.

Thats a beast, i need one. I didnt get to use mine yet. It was 45 and raining when i got home so i wussed out. That and Monday night football is on...
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Yeah, but I bet your chain works a ton better than the various "band" types. I have one of those like the Craftsman photo and the band stretches at the wrong time ... and I have one that is more like leather which tends to slip when you most want it to hold tight. Arrgh!

Good luck with your Craftsman, Itsfun00. Last thing I want to do is jinx your work by telling old war stories.
I didnt see replacement straps, so eventually i will have to replace the whole tool. But it was cheap and the strap is thick and sort of sticky so it will grab the pully. Hopefully I only have to do this once...
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The fan is bolted to the backside of the viscous clutch, so if you take the bolts out you still cannot get the blades off. With the engine cold, the blades spin free so you cannot hold anything with them. Taking the bolts out the pulley only makes a bigger mess since then the pulley will be flopping about over the fan nut.

The fan is fitted to the waterpump's main axle.

ok, I will hold the pully w the strap and break it free.
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Yep, that's the way to go. Maybe have a buddy help you hold the pulley, the fan normally needs a good wack to scare loose....

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