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Old 02-18-2013, 08:35 PM   #1
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4" Lift questions for 04 TJ Rubicon

So, I've been looking around at whats out there, and searched forums for what I could find. A lot of the info I found is older, and quite a few kits have changed. Looking at Short Arm kits: Rubicon Express, Rough Country, Currie, Clayton. Obviously like most I'd like the good kit and a good price that rides closest to the stock ride (not rough). I'll need a rear CV drive shaft and shocks, so so that adds addl cost. Really trying to stay @ $2K-$2100 for everything, tax shipping Etc. Based on that number, It looks like Currie, Clayton, Metalcloak kits are beyond my total when you add in the extras shocks, rear CV drive shaft, rear track bar.

Rubicon Express RE70003-3 (3.5) Super Flex: Looks like their new style "New PT-Meg Super-Ride bushings" are working out. Anyone using this newer style bushing, and how are they holding up? How's it ride? It comes with adjustable front & rear "lower" control arms. Groupbuy also option for adjustable upper rears, and fronts also. Are they needed? Also shocks offered are RE Mono, RE Twin Tube or Bilstein 5100's. I'd prefer a ride closest to stock. Which one of the 3 would do that?

Rough Country 4" X-series Suspension: Quite a bit cheaper ($400) than RE: Is it any good? It has "new X-Flex joints" Anyone have any history on how these hold up? Best (stock ride) shocks option? How's the rest of the kit to install? Need mods: cutting, welding Etc or just bolt on? How's it ride?

Currie & Clayton. metalcloak: 4" kits: No disputing there nice, Johnny joints, metalcloak are sweet, but again kit costs with addl adds: shocks CV drive Rear trackbar added in are aprox 2800-3K which is past my limit.

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Old 02-19-2013, 12:34 PM   #2
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I had a Clayton 4" SA kit and loved that when I had my 03 Rubi. Search my name and look under the lift kit reviews.... by far one of the best kits and flexed and rode great.

When I had my Rubi with the Clayton kit I was driving about 35miles one way for work every day and liked the ride. I also ran the OME long travel shocks with that kit and had some sick flex. If your looking for a better ride, maybe look at getting the Rancho adjustables.

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Old 02-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #3
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I have the Rough Country N20 4" Lift Short Arm Kit. It has worked great for me so far.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:45 PM   #4
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Thanks so far, still really need more feedback...
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:01 PM   #5
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No idea about the new RE joints but I'll vouch for the Currie 4" with Bilstein 5100's. Maybe look for a used kit or a special/promotion?
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:00 PM   #6
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Yep, Curries a nice kit, but as I mentioned total cost is out of my budget that's why I'm trying to go middle of the road. Still need responses...
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my method is kind of frowned upon but i was in the same boat as you...

I ordered the rough country 4" x-series for less than 1k and put it on just to get me started and for what i needed it for it worked great, it got me 4" higher than stock and got my pinion angles set, ive had no issues with the trac bar so far and it came with all the relocation brackets... keep in mind that i put it on expecting failures and figured i would just take them as they come...

after about 4 trip's out and 3k miles all the bushing in the control arms started failing / coming loose, so i have been ordering currie ends and savvy control arms as replacements...

i also got sick of the very bad ride so i have a set of fox shocks that i plan on ordering soon

also it sais "bolt in no drilling required" but there is drilling required and i also welded in all the brackets just for added piece of mind

keep in mind you will also need a slip yoke eliminator kit i got min from a friend for 100$ that just wanted to get rid of it because he found what he had to do to put it in and did not want the headache. I also got a CJ Tatton drive shaft from ebay for a good price and have had no issues so far with that

click on this link and you can see of bunch of pics of the kit installed and in action, it performs well i think
http://s768.photobucket.com/albums/x...gsxr1000/jeep/
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:09 AM   #8
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I just installed the Rubicon Express 3.5" lift on my 05 Rubicon. Don't have any miles on it yet, but instructions were clear, quality of parts looks excellent and everything lined up and went on like it should. A friend of mine has a 4" RE lift that is about 5 years old. He loves it and it is still performing like new.
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I installed a 4" RCD SA kit that came with Bilstein 5100 series shocks about a month ago & have approx 500 miles on it. The ride is great & to me better than before I installed the kit. I picked it up from quadratec for under 1k. I think the only "extra" part I bought was a TW rear drive shaft. Everything works great!
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I just installed Rough Country 4" X serie4s on my 05 rubicon. So far everything has performed excellent and I have been off road quite a bit. I also opted for the 2.2 shocks and the ride is fine. Although from what I always seem to read it may be worth saving the $50 and plan on getting Bilstein 5100 down the road...

Also I didn't drop the transfer case or get a new driveshaft, the stock rubicon drivetrain works fine.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:49 PM   #11
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missed the rubicon part
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:59 PM   #12
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I have the new RE Short arm 4.5 kid works great check it out from these guys 4x4 group buy
I got a Free SYE and Driveshaft and the RE mono tubes are actually Bilstien 5100s Haha thats the box they came in and part number check it out with shocks and customized kit a lil to get upper and lower adj cost me 2100 out the door i believe

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/rub...save-p-40.html

Give them a call
Best deal out there and really easy to work with got it within a week
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:01 PM   #13
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I had really bad luck with Rough Country first time around go Smart get right kit first

Also Recommend Rock Crawler
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Well, went to the local Truck/Jeep fest event held by 4 wheel Parts @ the San Mateo, CA fairgrounds to check out the deals. I ended up ordering a Rubicon Express #7000-3 Super flex 3.5 kit. Added a RE CV Drive Shaft with 1350 u joints and RE rear Adj track bar. I was able to negotiate the best price there overall. The next lowest price I had found was thru groupbuy. Also scored managed to get some free RE goodies: t-shirts, hats, water bottles, stickers, windshield RE sticker/banner & some screw on valve stem air down fittings. So, the old bone stock Rubicon is starting on its moded way... Thanks to all for your comments!!!! Who ya...!!!!
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I wanna see before and after pics
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I'll work on it... I'm do a 4 corner measurement & Pics tonight. Quick measurement looks like Right Rear is 1/2: lower than left rear. I set a 2x4 across the top and the overall height measures 69-1/2" tall right now. lift is supposed to be here in about 10 days... Tires & wheels will be next. Silly looking or not I'll run the stock 16" Moab wheels and 245/75's for a bit while I'm tire/wheel searching. I want to look for the lightest, black wheel I can find for less rotating weight, black so hopefully I can rattle can paint the outer rim when it gets ground down. Another thing I have to address is fiting it in an enclosed car trailer. Ramp Door entry looks to be 74-1/2". May have to flatten the tires, roll in and re-air. Worst case I'll have to do a wheel/tire switch: 195/75/15 (26-1/2"dia). I also think my old tow bar mount will have to be re-worked/re-placed as it will be too low (on bottom side of bumper) .
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I just installed the Rubicon Express 3.5" lift on my 05 Rubicon. Don't have any miles on it yet, but instructions were clear, quality of parts looks excellent and everything lined up and went on like it should. A friend of mine has a 4" RE lift that is about 5 years old. He loves it and it is still performing like new.
Did you end up cutting the spring pad or using relocation brackets for the rear shocks?
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Did you end up cutting the spring pad or using relocation brackets for the rear shocks?

Per RE, they say their Mono Tube shocks (built by Bilstein) can be mounted upside down so no cutting, or brackets needed. If you use shocks that can't be mounted upside down, it sounds like cutting, or brackets has to be done.
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Quote: Per RE, they say their Mono Tube shocks (built by Bilstein) can be mounted upside down so no cutting, or brackets needed. If you use shocks that can't be mounted upside down, it sounds like cutting, or brackets has to be done.
Ahhh, well that is very helpful. Thanks!
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DutchmansLJ, yoopone or anyone with the RE kit. Reading about the lift on the Rubicon site is has a a Yellow caution sign that says: "03-06 TJ Automatic transmission Skid Plate Removal required". . Can anyone elaborate on this area?? Talking with RE they said it's due to the front drive shaft needing clearance. They said people usually cut out an area with a plasma cutter on the skid to allow clearance?
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I took if off but that was cus i put a tummy tuck in, no matter what any auto with the tranny skid and 3in and above needs it removed, you will just keep hanging ur DS on the skid bracket, look into a after market tranny skid.

Its a poor design because when the left tire drops it will hang up on the bracket and not allow u full extension or snap the DS, Ihave had it off since my 2.5 lift never hung up on anything in the tranny, I went hard on trails too.
If u cut it then itll just be bouncing around underneath
it needs a support to keep the skid off the tranny if any pressure comes up onto the skid
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no problem with rear shocks either, didnt have to cut them
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Ok, poking around under the chassis, that skid plate was removed by the previous owner, so no worries or mods there. Now, do to more reading on sites, I'm considering changing, or upgrading my arms from RE to Curries arms with Johnny Joints. I can still do this and for just a small fee. It's seems like a more bullet proof-no worry design from what I'm seeing... And, I'm not sure I want to be back (fairly soon) dealing with arm issues: replacing, re-working Etc.
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I went ahead and changed my arms out from RE to Currie today. The folks @ RE and 4 wheel parts really provided good information (as they should). I feel they've made big strides in making much better better arms than there past ones. But, I just didn't feel like I could get enough positive feedback on them to ease my fears. The more I posts I read here, and on other sites about Currie & JJ's, the more they seemed to put my fears at ease: solid, long track record.
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I ended up ordering the rear shock relocation brackets. Got the ones from Currie. Did not know you could mount the shocks upside down. Definitely too tight if you did not mount them upside down or install the brackets. Kinda PO'ed at Quadratec. I called the tech line when I ordered this lift and no mention was made of the skid plate issue or the mounting of the shocks. None of that info was in the RE instructions either. Fortunately these issues came up from Rude Dog. Thank you!
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Hey no worries, sharing info is what this is all about. Sorry you didn't catch the info up front. Do the shocks your going to run say they can't be mounted upside down? As for the plate, it appear to be a pretty small one, and as someone noted, It doesn't appear running without it will be too sketchy.
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Lift updates: Day of lift got a call that I needed rear lower shock relocator brackets and shocks couldn't mount upsidedown. Mentioned RE said not needed yada yada, in the end another $29.00 & their on. All seems to be fine and work. Crawled under and found many zerks loose on the J joints, even one laying in the driveway. Everything else looks okay. Ride is as most said firmer than stock but pretty decent. Steering feels tighter with the "very slight" steering shake gone. Tires are noiser, and feel more lumpier than before. Guessing they might not have been put back on where they came off, so contact to the road is a bit dif?, or... the JK joints being denser/more rigid than the softer oem bushings transmits more road noise? Time will tell... Only thing I noticed that need some help is the tail pipe area as it's "real close to the RR shock boot so it's will need to be altered or it will melt the boot. Of course lt needs bigger tires, but as I mentioned before, small or not I'm wearing them down while I figure out replacement wheels/tires.. It was the 3-1/2" lift but came out at 4". On the front sway dis-connects I forgot about the addl posts/pins when disconnected. They mounted them up above the upper spring buckets. Flip up, pop on and put a pin thru em when disconnected. Nice, it's the simple things As can be expected new suspension parts against old made the old.. well look old. So, I thru some semi gloss black (rattle can) paint on the front & rear difs and misc steering components so all has a fresh/clean look.
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I used shock relocation brackets.
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My right rear shock boot contacts the tail pipe also. My buddies 4" RE lift with relocation brackets does the same thing and has been doing so for 4 years. Tail pipe doesn't get hot enough to damage the boot.
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Not to hack this thread but I would at least look at Rock Krawlers short arm kit also. Just installed their 3.5 X factor kit on my '03 Rubi and I was blown away with the quality of their parts and shocks... Again IMO.

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