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Old 02-26-2011, 11:36 PM   #1
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4WD in Sand

What do I put my jeep in when I'm at the beach, 4H or 4L? I don't have big tires if that makes a diff. Also, I'm wanting a top for my jeep that is easy to get off and on but can handle heavy rain when it has to be on. Any ideas would be great...
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:40 PM   #2
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Well first make sure you air your tires down to about 15-20 psi. Then if you are on level sand 4hi should be good for most purposes. If yours is not a Rubicon then 4lo might not be a bad idea to make it easier for the tranny. Speed is key in the really loose sand. I would look at the new Bestop Supertop NX if you want to replace every thing or just go with a Bestop top.

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Will I be able to drive on pavement if I let air out of the tires? B/C I won't have something to put air back in...I don't have a Rubicon....I have a basic wrangler. As far as the top I don't want the type that came with it...I was thinking a safari top then the deck cover and thing behind the seat when I had to have it in.
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:50 PM   #4
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You'll only be able to drive very slowly and not very far on pavement. If you plan to go driving in the sand often then I would invest in an air compressor if there is no air fill-up nearby. Bestop is probably your best bet for the safari and deck lid covers.
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Of course I am thinking of sand dunes type driving you might not have to air down at all for a beach. Unless you find that your jeep is getting stuck constantly or having alot of trouble driving through the sand then you don't need to air down.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:06 AM   #6
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It's not dunes...it's just the loose sand...you drive on and it's packed then when you park it's the loose stuff...or you can go down farther where it's not so packed. I haven't gotten stuck but really don't want to...I wouldn't want to disgrace the JEEP reputation lol...Thanks for all your help...I'm going tomorrow and thought I should find out facts instead of wingin it ...
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:29 AM   #7
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You should be fine at regular tire pressure and 4 hi for hitting the beach.
I live on the coast and drive in sand regularly..
But as stated above... the key thing is that its flat.
Enjoy the beach!
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Old 02-27-2011, 02:33 AM   #8
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Best advice, forget the shield and cover, i ran them for 3 months and hated them!! Love the safari in the summer with nothin else, look into the rampage tops????? Thats my next buy!!!! Besides new axles and a full set of poison spyder armor!!!hahaha
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Tops-What works for me doesn't work for everyone.I have a few options-and depending on how many people you carry maybe one will work for you.

The pic with the snow is of my new halftop-haven't had it long but long enough to know it warmer than a standard softtop. (i realize that is not a big concern for you.) It also has the "sunrider" feature in that it folds back. The back window is also able to be removed by zipping it out. With this set up I can go to "feeling" fully open to closed for winter in less than 3 minutes.

I also have a "wraparound windjammer" it along with a safari top and deck cover will keep MOST rain out of the inside. You would also than have the safari top over the backseat if any passengers needed it.

The pic from the summer time shows the deck cover. I realize you can not see it well-and that is my point. It keeps things out of sight you may not want exposed when you stop and run in the store, but at the same time it gives the clean open look of the Jeep-topless. You could fold down the backseat and have it underneath the deck cover in case it was needed. The deck cover takes up very little space if you need to store it with passengers.

I would recommend removing the carpet from the area behind the front seats if you go with jammer, small top, and deck cover. As this is where all 3 pieces meet it is also where rain will come in. Pull drain plugs as well. Depending on the wind with the rain it may never get wet, or sometimes it would be good and wet.

Any questions PM me there is a little work/trick to making the wraparound jammer work with a deck cover. Geoff from best top and I talked about it but don't know if they have changed anything since I got my parts over the last 4years or so a few at a time.

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:59 AM   #10
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Where did you order your wraparound windjammer from? I've been lookin but haven't seen one that wraps around
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:36 AM   #11
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4L is too low for sand. I drive a lot in deep sand and now I want a 3 speed Tcase with a 1.5 to 2:1 ratio. Or a 5.7L hemi swap.
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Sand: My 99 with 3.07 gears and 31" tires would not perform in loose sand without me revving high and slipping the clutch. Street tires/Stock tires might have improved this aspect but at the cost of narrow tires digging in. Mine performed better in 4LO taking off in 2nd gear. Then I regeared to 4.88 and went to 33" tires - Now I can cruise at will in 4 HI.
In 4LO - - I have to rev the motor way high to get the tire speed which is best in loose sand.

Try it out - start out in 4HI and if you find yourself eating clutch then go down to 4LO and use 2nd or 3rd gear.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:05 AM   #13
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When I go to the Red River(borders Texas and Oklahoma) I leave it in 4H and never had problems. Its a mix of mud, loose sand and hard wet sand. Just use your judgement, if you get in a tight spot dont spin your tires and dig yourself in a hole.
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Where did you order your wraparound windjammer from? I've been lookin but haven't seen one that wraps around
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:22 AM   #15
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I drive in sand all the time. I found that if I airdown to 17 or 18lbs I can use 4H and have no problems as all. Recently I have not been airing down and keep the tires at 28lbs. It is much harder to keep the speed up between shifts but I can still use 4H. When I leave the beach I have to go up a sand ramp and 4l works much better. I figure if I get stuck I can airdown and move on. The beaches in Delaware all have airpumps at the exit.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:35 AM   #16
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I drive the Padre Island National seashore here in Texas now and then. I air down to 12 or so and it gives the footprint you need so you can avoid sinking into the sand. X2 on the compressor. Beaches tend to attract boards with nails and flats are common so I always have a quality plug kit and air.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:34 PM   #17
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WOW...thanks for all the great info...I don't really know the diff between 4h and 4L and I don't know about the gears that CapnDean was talking about...but I just don't want to get stuck & ruin the good rep of Jeeps I did go to the beach today and I put it in 4H...I ended up not needing anything at all b/c it was packed over most of the beach. The thing I don't like about being in 4WD is the buckin it creates. I even start in 2nd ...the beach I go to does have a section that isn't packed and only 4wd's go on that side...I want to be able to go through it w/o feeling intimidated by the big pickups. So something else I wonder is do tires make a big difference? I only have the stock tires that came with it but want 33's which according to most people I should be able to have w/o a lift. I also want to know that when I do go to the deeper loose sand do I drive straight or do I have to turn my wheels to make it through? lol...I know...I'm such a girl but hey..how else am I going to know if I don't ask the jeep experts?!
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The difference between 4hi and 4lo is 4hi connects the transmission to the front and rear axles in a 1:1 ratio which is direct drive. No reduction, its made for higher speeds. 4lo is a gear reduction to both the front and rear axles of 2.72:1. It gives you more torque and is much easier on your transmission when going through low traction situations. It is also meant for lower speeds. I figure since it was packed sand beach, the front driveline would bind a little and that would cause your Jeep to buck. That's normal. Just don't use your 4wd on dry pavement.

As far as tires you could fit a 32" without a lift but you'll have some clearance issues if you ever flex your Jeeps suspension. Much worse with 33" tires. You're going to need a lift for 33's unless you want to really hack your fenders to make them fit... which you won't. Your street tires will be fine. If you find yourself digging into the sand and losing traction, just air your tires down to a pressure between 15-20 psi. It allows the footprint of your tire to spread out over a larger area giving you flotation on top of the sand. It also works in really deep snow.

You can drive straight, you can turn just don't take a high speed turn with your tires aired down or you run the risk of popping the bead of the tire off the wheel. As far as going to the 4wd portion of the beach, go for it. If you get stuck, I am sure other fellow wheelers would be more than willing to help you out. That's how you learn, is by getting stuck. We all get stuck sometimes. Other than that just have fun with it and don't forget to air up your tires once you are done playing in the sand.
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Thanks so much Rubicon2...your info is explained very well... You Rock!!

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