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Old 02-20-2012, 01:38 PM   #1
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$5 Plus Gas

The news just said gas could be as much as $5 plus/ gallon by this Summer. Yeah... that's not a typo. I was searching treads for any info on fuel savings, if it's possible for a TJ. I didn't find too much. Any ideas? The cost was said to be related to Iran and all that mess.

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They've been saying the same for the last five years. Nothing but speculators trying to push up the prices. We get *zero* oil from Iran. Saudi Arabia has already said they would ramp up production if Iran is sanctioned.

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They've been saying the same for the last five years. Nothing but speculators trying to push up the prices. We get *zero* oil from Iran. Saudi Arabia has already said they would ramp up production if Iran is sanctioned.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:53 PM   #4
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The best way to save MPG is to trade your TJ for a Civic.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:54 PM   #5
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GREAT! Just in time for me to drive to San Diego from Houston Texas. Lucky Me. I have to pull a small uhaul too. I will be lucky to get 10mpg.

Guess I had better start selling blood to get my gas money ready
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:10 PM   #6
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Just be thankful you don't live in Europe. It's not uncommon fro $8+ per gallon there.. and it's been like that for years.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:14 PM   #7
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Like Chris [above] was pointing to, oil supplies are global and are sold to various countries at the day's commodities' price. It's like all the oil that's pumped goes into a big container and then bought by various countries. If Iran refuses to sell to the UK like they're saying today, then the UK will buy it from some other place that feeds out of that big container. However, Iran holding back supplies may cause a shortfall of crude oil which, in turn, drives up the price for everybody ... but Iran is mostly interested in causing fear.

North America has lots of oil and propane in the ground, but politicians make the rules for us and they want us to go another direction.
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The news just said gas could be as much as $5 plus/ gallon by this Summer. Yeah... that's not a typo. I was searching treads for any info on fuel savings, if it's possible for a TJ. I didn't find too much. Any ideas? The cost was said to be related to Iran and all that mess.
1. sell it and get a prius
2. go back to 29" tires
3. pump your tires up to 50psi
4. dont drive it

not being rude trust me, theres just no way to get BETTER gas mileage..i mean it always helps to keep the air filter/throttle body clean, plus and wires, properly inflated tires....but that will only keep it closer to stock if you have lost some mpg due to those things..other than that just fill her up when she's thirsty and enjoy it :]
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:21 PM   #9
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GREAT! Just in time for me to drive to San Diego from Houston Texas. Lucky Me. I have to pull a small uhaul too. I will be lucky to get 10mpg.

Guess I had better start selling blood to get my gas money ready
Mid May I am going to Moab from Long Beach, MS its 3600 round trip plus the gas that I will spend on the trails..... yeah gonna a fun expensive trip!
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:39 PM   #10
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looks like the jeep will not be coming back to college with me next year (if that happens)
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:46 PM   #11
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The best way to get every mpg that you can is to just change your driving habits. It is not a race to get off the line when the light turns green and there is no need to go 70+ mph on the highway. Timing lights and easy on the skinny pedal allows me to get over 18mpg on my 2000 4.0L TJ with 4.25" total lift and 33" tires. If this is hard to comprehend, invest in a ScanGaugeII to help improve your driving habits by displaying instantaneous mpg.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:32 PM   #12
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^^^this. Having a digital read out really helps you get better mpgs. I'm amazed how the ever slightest ease of the gas gives you better current mpgs. It's impossible to know in a tj, unless you get a scanner. Drive someone elses car that gives current mpg and you'll quickly see all the bad habits you have. Or drive a Gti like me and save the jeep for offroad!
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Get rid of obama and price will go down. He has requested that opec cut production!! Now what kind of idiot does that. oh yeah to drive up prices. yet he has us exporting majority of the oil produced here. Makes allot of sense.
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The best way to get every mpg that you can is to just change your driving habits. It is not a race to get off the line when the light turns green and there is no need to go 70+ mph on the highway. Timing lights and easy on the skinny pedal allows me to get over 18mpg on my 2000 4.0L TJ with 4.25" total lift and 33" tires. If this is hard to comprehend, invest in a ScanGaugeII to help improve your driving habits by displaying instantaneous mpg.
That is the best advice. And an added benefit of not racing off the line; less apt to get hit by a car running the red light. Plus timing lights cuts down on brake wear.
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:14 PM   #15
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I dont care if gas goes to 10 bucks a gallon. I love my rubi!!!!!!
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I dont care if gas goes to 10 bucks a gallon. I love my rubi!!!!!!
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I was just debating the other day trading my Jeep in...I love it to death, but I can buy a brand new vehicle right now and keep my payments almost the same as what I'm paying on the Jeep.

I decided against it...I love the Jeep too much. HOWEVER, I am working on getting some money together and plan on purchasing a fuel efficient "beater" car in the next few months to reduce the amount of gas I use in the Jeep for my drives to/from work. I'll save the Jeep for nice days, deep snow, and weekend cruising.
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:23 PM   #18
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no place for politics here. dems blame reps,reps blame dems blah blah blah. dem president tries to pass a bill and it gets shotdown by rep house/senate. rep tries to pass bill it gets shotdown by dem house/senate. etc etc etc. that is why we are in our current economic situation. large corporations are allowed to purchase huge amounts of oil and just let it sit there in huge tanks until something silly happens and demand goes up. now they sell that fuel at a higher price. must be nice when you have the ability to control the supply ultimately leading to a higher demand. it's not just supply and demand of the product anymore. it's supply demand and control.

mythbusters did a bit where you can get a huge increase of mpg when you ride directly behind an 18 wheeler when doing high speeds. have fun with that.
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:23 PM   #19
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Just remember where they're saying those prices could be, east and west coasts and much smaller out of the way towns. Last time it hit close to that in CA, it was $3.60 here in CO. I doubt in the metro areas we'll see $5 a gallon gas, though the price has been going up the last two weeks. Got gas yesterday and it was up .11.
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Like Chris [above] was pointing to, oil supplies are global and are sold to various countries at the day's commodities' price. It's like all the oil that's pumped goes into a big container and then bought by various countries. If Iran refuses to sell to the UK like they're saying today, then the UK will buy it from some other place that feeds out of that big container. However, Iran holding back supplies may cause a shortfall of crude oil which, in turn, drives up the price for everybody ... but Iran is mostly interested in causing fear.

North America has lots of oil and propane in the ground, but politicians make the rules for us and they want us to go another direction.
You are absolutely right, there is enough petroleum under our country to last a 100 years.
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The thing I love about saving gas is that I have a company vehicle that I drive home every night. 2010 ford transit with a gas card.so my jeep only see a little bit of driving now. Mostly weekends and the occasional trip up to the store for more beer
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Just booked a week at a $400 a night hotel. Gas prices?
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:47 PM   #23
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A friend of ours lives in Iceland. We were there 4 wheeling on The Glaciers. Went to the pump to fill her up. $6 USD per liter. Do that math..... about $22.53 per gallon. Love where we live ya'all...WE ARE BLESSED !!!!
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Remember when you talk about European fuel prices, you have to figure in their taxes, health care, education, etc etc is included in their price.
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I will gladly take it off your hands.... at no cost to you....

Many people don't realize that trading in a mechanically sound 15 mpg Jeep for a 30 mpg econobox makes no economic sense

At $5/gallon and driving 15K miles/year the difference is $2500/year...
How long will it take for those savings to cover the incremenatl cost of the new car? 8 years for a $20K car
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More on the taxes...

In the U.S., about 11% of the final cost per gallon is from taxes. At the $4.00 per gallon average cost, this means that $0.44 is tax and $3.56 is the pretax cost per gallon. Europe’s prices, on the other hand, are comprised of 70% taxes and 30% pretax cost. Taxes on the $8.70 average per gallon cost are $6.09 and the pretax cost per gallon is $2.61. Wait, did you catch that? If you disregard taxes, Europeans pay $0.95 LESS than Americans for one gallon of gasoline.
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I will gladly take it off your hands.... at no cost to you....

Many people don't realize that trading in a mechanically sound 15 mpg Jeep for a 30 mpg econobox makes no economic sense

At $5/gallon and driving 15K miles/year the difference is $2500/year...
How long will it take for those savings to cover the incremenatl cost of the new car? 8 years for a $20K car
And which one is more fun ?
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More on the taxes...

In the U.S., about 11% of the final cost per gallon is from taxes. At the $4.00 per gallon average cost, this means that $0.44 is tax and $3.56 is the pretax cost per gallon. Europe’s prices, on the other hand, are comprised of 70% taxes and 30% pretax cost. Taxes on the $8.70 average per gallon cost are $6.09 and the pretax cost per gallon is $2.61. Wait, did you catch that? If you disregard taxes, Europeans pay $0.95 LESS than Americans for one gallon of gasoline.
Oh Well I guess I'll just pay more taxes on Wed when I go back out to Turkey Bay so be it.
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We have multiple gas guzzlers, Jeep 12-13 mpg, Wellcraft cruiser maybe 1.1-1.3 nautical mpg, fishing boat during tournaments 2 - 2.5 nautical mpg, who knows on the jet skis, big block Suburban 10-11mpg. We will not let foreign governments dictate what we do with our toys. Sorry for rambling.
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I'm just going to save my breath and cross-post from another forum;

I knew this was going to happen, folks... We were just wondering when we might go to war with Iran. Not surprised... Fortunately, I won't suffer the same effects that most other people are suffering. My savings will keep up with inflation at the very least, and I will be able to use it when the vast majority can no longer even afford to drive a car getting 45-50 mpg. It depends on what you know. It's funny that my credit and spending patterns sometimes go against the norm. I spend and invest more when people are pulling back, but I pull back on my spending and invest even more BECAUSE I WANT TO when people are surging ahead in ruinous financial bubbles. I've been fortunate thus far...

It is sad and frustrating to see the population struggling with this and having no idea why it's happening, how it's happening, and how to stop it at the source. You've got schoolyard bullies who were never disciplined by their parents while they were young enough and the people who are afraid of them running this country. I am GLAD to see that my hands are not bloodied by the politicians responsible, because I didn't vote for them. My conscience is clear.

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Later, in response to someone writing about the trend away from MacMansions, I wrote;

There are houses, the big ones that I pass by every day I go to work. Once in a while, you will see a group of people at the house, keeping the grounds and carrying cleaning stuff in and out. The rest of the time, they're vacant. This is in Houston. These houses in particular have been vacant for about 3 years, I think. Ditto for the small-size commercial corner store strip near where I live. I think they built that about 4 years ago, and they've had just the one tenant in it. I've seen the garbage bin outside taken away several months ago. Streets are breaking apart here in areas where there is a lot of subsidence from the drought, and boy, so do the pipes! There's been a lot of overbuilding everywhere you go. I can't imagine what it's like in the former bubble areas compared to Houston, which didn't really participate in the housing bubble/bust. But those houses...

The reason certain people tell you, especially mainstream media, tell you that gas "might be about $4, 5, 6 by summer time" is because they're getting you ready for it. All because of inflation. I realize that demand plays a small part in it, BUT it is not the main cause of inflation. I hope people wake up and realize where it comes from before it's too late, before it gets to where I log in here, read in detail all the threads ever posted since my last login, and I'm done in five minutes flat. A lot of people here are not going to travel near what they have been able to do in the last 4 years by the time it starts to blow over. And I get to post my next trip out of state, hopefully. (I was directing this paragraph at the posters who have been on the road for years all over the world or even the occasional overlander)

Everything is happening according to plan...

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