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Old 03-24-2013, 12:02 PM   #1
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6" Suspension Lift + 38.5" Tires

Hey everyone, I just picked up a black '04 Jeep TJ (5 speed + 4.0L) a few weeks ago. My Mom loves it so much that she's now looking for one. While looking at local classifieds for another TJ, I stumbled upon this.


And I'm now thinking of doing that to my Jeep. Maybe not right away, because it's still fairly new to me and has really low mileage, so I might wait a couple of years, which would give me enough time to save for the lift, tires, etc.

I sent the guy an email asking him the lift and tire size, to which he responded "38.5" Mickey Thompsons and a 6" Rough Country suspension lift".

I was surprised at the fact that 38.5s would fit under a 6" lift.
Now my problem: My Jeep isn't a Rubicon and is running a Dana 35 in the rear, probably asking for trouble if I try and run 38.5" tires on it. So I'm thinking of a Dana 60 swap (I've read that Dana 44s might even be an issue with that tire size, is this true?)

I'll probably need a transfer case drop or a slip yoke eliminator, axles (not sure about the front, but I imagine it might need to be swapped too?) and maybe extended brake lines?

Just asking the experts on what in total I'd need.

And I know most of you guys would go with a smaller lift and fender flares, but I honestly much prefer the look of the stock Jeep (body wise) with the lift and tires. Just personal preference, I know it won't be as capable offroad as something with flares but this is the look I'm into.

Thanks in advance!

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Hey everyone, I just picked up a black '04 Jeep TJ (5 speed + 4.0L) a few weeks ago. My Mom loves it so much that she's now looking for one. While looking at local classifieds for another TJ, I stumbled upon this.


And I'm now thinking of doing that to my Jeep. Maybe not right away, because it's still fairly new to me and has really low mileage, so I might wait a couple of years, which would give me enough time to save for the lift, tires, etc.

I sent the guy an email asking him the lift and tire size, to which he responded "38.5" Mickey Thompsons and a 6" Rough Country suspension lift".

I was surprised at the fact that 38.5s would fit under a 6" lift.
Now my problem: My Jeep isn't a Rubicon and is running a Dana 35 in the rear, probably asking for trouble if I try and run 38.5" tires on it. So I'm thinking of a Dana 60 swap (I've read that Dana 44s might even be an issue with that tire size, is this true?)

I'll probably need a transfer case drop or a slip yoke eliminator, axles (not sure about the front, but I imagine it might need to be swapped too?) and maybe extended brake lines?

Just asking the experts on what in total I'd need.

And I know most of you guys would go with a smaller lift and fender flares, but I honestly much prefer the look of the stock Jeep (body wise) with the lift and tires. Just personal preference, I know it won't be as capable offroad as something with flares but this is the look I'm into.

Thanks in advance!
Read up on the D60 it is not just a basic swap out the old axle and swap in the D60. There is a lot of fab work needed to be done to mount the D60 under our jeeps. The pumpkin is huge on a D60 so the gas tank, track bar and other suspension parts will need to be modified. How much off-road driving will you be doing? Because some axles may not handle 38's with hard trail riding and rocks but if you just do mainly on road driving some little upgrades to a D44/8.8 will go a long way.

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If I remember correctly it's close to $15,000 to properly run tires that size if you're going to wheel it. That's doing a lot of fab work yourself. Don't quote me on it though
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Going above 35"s tire with d35, even built up, seems to be just asking for trouble. I'm still at stock but I've been doing a lot of reading and learning a lot. So take my words for what they are worth. But it seems like going from anything above 35"s is a whole different game. Starting from axles, brakes, steering, and most likely a suspension revision. These are all expensive. But if you have the knowledge and deep pockets whatever size tires you want to run is possible.
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If I remember correctly it's close to $15,000 to properly run tires that size if you're going to wheel it. That's doing a lot of fab work yourself. Don't quote me on it though
I would say around half of that doing all the work yourself. Maybe 8-10k At a shop I could easily see 15-20k doing everything with quality parts, the right way.

Dana 60s F/R
Gears and lockers
Steering
Brakes
Drivelines
Small stretch in rear for the Dana 60.
Enough lift+body clearance to fit the tires.
Lots of little things.
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Just curious: is there a vehicle the D60 can be found in, or is it always aftermarket?
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My old 89 ford f350 had a dana 60 frt end.
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Read up on the D60 it is not just a basic swap out the old axle and swap in the D60. There is a lot of fab work needed to be done to mount the D60 under our jeeps. The pumpkin is huge on a D60 so the gas tank, track bar and other suspension parts will need to be modified. How much off-road driving will you be doing? Because some axles may not handle 38's with hard trail riding and rocks but if you just do mainly on road driving some little upgrades to a D44/8.8 will go a long way.
I wouldn't be wheeling with that setup. Nothing serious, I like the look more than anything. I know what you're all thinking "Mall crawler" etc. But, honestly I climb snowbanks and medians a lot for fun, other than that I don't really do much wheeling. And my definition of "wheeling" isn't exactly hardcore either.

I mostly hangout with friends that are into tuners, a couple of guys have lifted trucks (definitely consider them mallcrawlers though) so offroading isn't something I'd do a lot.

So, without spending a ridiculous amount of money, realistically I could get a 6" suspension lift, Dana 44 (I don't need lockers), rims and tires if I'm not planning on abusing it?


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I wouldn't be wheeling with that setup. Nothing serious, I like the look more than anything. I know what you're all thinking "Mall crawler" etc. But, honestly I climb snowbanks and medians a lot for fun, other than that I don't really do much wheeling. And my definition of "wheeling" isn't exactly hardcore either.

I mostly hangout with friends that are into tuners, a couple of guys have lifted trucks (definitely consider them mallcrawlers though) so offroading isn't something I'd do a lot.

So, without spending a ridiculous amount of money, realistically I could get a 6" suspension lift, Dana 44 (I don't need lockers), rims and tires if I'm not planning on abusing it?


Thanks for all of the replies guys
You definitely need a front axle, at least a d44 even for street. That 6 inch lift will cost aboout 2-3k for everything you need to go with it, such as the sye/cv shaft and adjustable control arms. You definitely need brakes and steering as well.
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G2 and east coast offer bolt in 60's
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G2 and east coast offer bolt in 60's
The only reason why they are called bolt in, is because they come with all the brackets for a TJ already welded to them. So technically they are "bolt in" but a D60 is a full width axle and they are not just a basic swap. There is still a lot of fab that needs to be done to properly fit a D60.
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You definitely need a front axle, at least a d44 even for street. That 6 inch lift will cost aboout 2-3k for everything you need to go with it, such as the sye/cv shaft and adjustable control arms. You definitely need brakes and steering as well.
The 6" lift is $1049.95 from Rough Country.
Jeep TJ Suspension Lift Kit

NP231 Slip Yoke Eliminator: $199.95
Rear CV Driveshaft: $299.95

Once taxes and shipping apply, you're pretty much right on the nose with that quote. Keep in mind that I'd be doing the work myself.

Also, what should I use for a front axle?

Thanks so much for your help, I really do appreciate it!
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The 6" lift is $1049.95 from Rough Country.
Jeep TJ Suspension Lift Kit

NP231 Slip Yoke Eliminator: $199.95
Rear CV Driveshaft: $299.95

Once taxes and shipping apply, you're pretty much right on the nose with that quote. Keep in mind that I'd be doing the work myself.

Also, what should I use for a front axle?

Thanks so much for your help, I really do appreciate it!
Plus 300 for your control arms, plus 300 if you do both sets. Unless RCs are adjustable... also I really wouldn't go with RC's lift. If you going to be spending so much money already, please get a good lift. I know RC is okay for some things but just do me a favor and look around. You will spend more but it'll be worth it.

A front d44 would be your best bet. It's still not really up to 38.5s... but if you baby it on the road and don't try to kill it, it may survive.

No problem, if you are gona do this I would like to see you avoid some major issues.
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Plus 300 for your control arms, plus 300 if you do both sets. Unless RCs are adjustable... also I really wouldn't go with RC's lift. If you going to be spending so much money already, please get a good lift. I know RC is okay for some things but just do me a favor and look around. You will spend more but it'll be worth it.

A front d44 would be your best bet. It's still not really up to 38.5s... but if you baby it on the road and don't try to kill it, it may survive.

No problem, if you are gona do this I would like to see you avoid some major issues.
Much appreciated. So Dana 44 in the front and in the rear? I'd much prefer it if I could avoid a Dana 60 swap :S

I'm shopping around for now, the RC lift was after a quick Google search.

I probably won't attempt this until I have a different daily driver. (bought the Jeep about a month ago, first Jeep etc). So the thought of swapping axles and stuff like that is pretty much a headache for me because it runs really well as is. I'm thinking of waiting until later on (gives me time to research and save some cash). That, or buy the one in the picture that's currently for sale.

The quick replies are greatly appreciated!
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That sounds good to me, keep reading and researching. Yeah, d44s are typically maxed out at 36-37 stock if they are coming from a rubi or TJ rear. a full width "real" d44 can handle slightly more, but the shafts/u joints still become the weak link around 37s but that's for hard wheeling. Are you planning on locking. at almost 39s your gona be stretching the d44s a bit. may have to beef them up.
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ford 9 inch rear and a d44 from with RCV axles/with the C's guesseted and maybe sleeved/trussed too would hold 39s well I would think. More fab work into that, I don't know if ECGS carried 9" or not. Ford 8.8 can run them too, might need a little extra work as well though.

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