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Old 06-21-2013, 07:41 AM   #91
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While I have no doubt China is capable of producing high quality products, I still believe in spending my $$$ on products made, as much as possible at least, in America. Our economy is in shambles & too much of our $$$ is flowing out of the U.S. from where it could help American families, to instead helping the Chinese.

My feeling is I will buy American whenever I can. And on discretionary spending like for Jeep parts, I darned sure will. The less $$$ we send to China & the more $$$ we spend with American manufacturers who employ Americans, the happier I am and the better off we all will be. Too bad more Americans don't see it that way. They'll buy something because it is cheaper no matter where it is made. Not me. If a product manufactured in the U.S. of mainly U.S. manufactured parts with a small percentage of foreign-made parts, that is way preferable to me than to buy something that is 100% made in China.

I'll happily pay more for a product manufactured in the U.S. than a Chinese product. I believe in supporting American manufacturing, not Chinese.

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Old 06-21-2013, 08:28 AM   #92
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The fact of the matter is that a winch like the Engo is now proven as an excellent value. There are basically nothing but good reports about them.

I'm sick and tired of seeing the same responses from the same few members stroking off Warn every time someone asks which winch to get. Your beloved Warn winches are made from Chinese parts. You are doing a great disservice to these people by recommending the winch YOU believe is best and not the winch that is best for them. Your assumptions are based on a level of American manufacturing quality that likely no longer exists.

You're overlooking a few things. There are a lot more than a few of us that run Warn, have for years and have since grown weary of saying the same things about how good they are only to have the doubters try every way possible to sway folks away from a great quality product that has proven itself for years.

We all know that the premise of this thread is absurd, Quality, Winch (in context), and Sub 300 bucks do not now and never will belong in the same sentence. We may find ourselves in the company of some folks from time to time who don't understand crapola about winches, recovery, or manufacturing who would rather not believe it, but that doesn't change the absurdity in the least.

I will however let you in on a little secret regarding overseas products. You can get every level of quality you desire and are willing to pay for. Just because it happens to be made over there, doesn't automatically mean that it is junk or cheap or even cheap junk. They have the capacity and ability to make an identical copy of any Warn winch with the exact same or higher quality. It would however, cost just about the same as one built here by the time you get a bit of freight involved to get it here.

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Someone could then take the $800 they saved by not buying a Warn and buy two lockers, a snorkel, and an air compressor(just one example)
I do enjoy your use of generic terms to assign value though. I can't even buy one locker for what you're spending for all that other stuff you mentioned which does give me pause to question your value system a bit further.


Not that it will matter to you or most, but I'll still pay good money for my Warn winch choices even if a few of the parts are made overseas. I do have a small teensie little test I use to judge quality though. Is there anyone here that wants to trade their new unused 300 dollar Chinese winch for any of my 9500 Warns that have been in use for the last 13 years? I have 2 HS9500i and 1 9500Ti.

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Nope. I've done extensive research and found them to be an excellent value. I'm trying to provide an alternative for the budget-minded members of the community instead of the same old Warn Warn Warn. The topic of the thread is Winch for $300 or less. Not all chinese winches are created equal and I do not recommend HF or Smitty. The Engo stands out as a reliable option with an excellent warranty.

Extensive research includes how many owned and used?
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:45 AM   #94
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the thread is about:



Unless the warn fanboys want to give reasons to buy a used warn they are out of this discussion because there are no new warns for $300 or less.

Every time someone asks this question it is impossible to get feedback or reviews on $300 winches without having to wade through a bunch of warn warn warn warn warn.

We get it. Warn. We know that. That isn't what we ask about when we ask for a good $300 winch.

Stop turning every one of these threads into a "better get a warn or you'll be sorry, your grandkids will never be born because you were stuck in the woods too long" rants.

Bmw's are a hell of a lot better than kia's. If you can't afford a used bmw you better start walking. Don't you dare buy a kia.

I wouldn't dare make an argument against a warn. But the guy didn't ask which is better, a warn or a (insert any $300 winch here).

I ended up going with the quadratec. I'll be sure to come on here and post when it fails me. I'm not going to post about every time it works.
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I had to re-read this train wreck of a thread to check my Warn Fanboy status.

I see that I suggested looking at a Q-Tec winch if limited to a $300 budget, then I recommended searching for a used Warn.

Not everyone can afford a brand new Warn, I was one of them. But, for what I wasted on two failed $300 winches, plus what I paid for my used XD9000i, I could of bought new.

Plus, finding a good used W is not so easy either. You have to be patient, and be ready to pounce on one when it becomes available. I started looking when my second cheap winch started acting up. I got lucky.

I apologize to the community if I have offended anyone. Just sharing my unfortunate experiences, and trying maybe to help someone not make the same mistakes I did.

Don't be in such a hurry to have a winch hanging off the front of your Jeep..... I was that guy too.
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The problem with your plus 1 is that even though a person may be asking a very specific question, it may not always be the total question.

Do you or I know that the person asking is even aware that used Warns do pop up once in awhile? He may not have even considered that as an option, so helping him with that info may not always be a bad thing.


It's kinda like asking what color locking lug nuts to buy and then only limiting the discussion to color choice instead of trying to find out why they might be needed.

Just because the discussion isn't going the way you want it to, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

Besides, not everyone will always be happy with a car trailer winch on the front of their Jeep.
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I want to thank everyone for the good information on this thread, even if some of the opinions became a bit strong at times, but that's what happens when people defend what, in their opinion, is a good product and, hence, a good decision. For folks like me who are new to Jeeps and winches, I value the input, even as I am smart and independent enough to ultimately make my own choice on this. But the information is valuable and this kind of exchange is one of the reasons we are blessed to live in this free country. I, for one, am looking to eventually put a winch on the front of my TJ. But there are many things to consider, like the weight factor. Do I beef up my suspension to account for the additional weight? Galvanized or nylon line? 8,000 / 9,000 / 9500#? Just so you know, I've learned a lot from this thread and now I have a lot more information than before. So even if I save my $ for a Warn, I am still grateful for the conversation. It's cool.
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While I certainly understand working from a budget, the key here is patience. When I built my CJ, I did two transmissions, two rear axles, two engines, two lifts, and three tire sizes. I wasted a TON of money. I understand the fan boy objection, but you also have to accept advice when people freely give it. Trust me, be patient, and do it once, and do it right. If you hate Warn, try Ramsey.
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Used warn winches are definitely around. I checked on craigslist the other day and found a warn 9500ti with a tj winch plate in good condition for only 200 dollars! It was already sold that day by the time I got ahold of the seller. Don't think the seller knew what he had.
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While I have no doubt China is capable of producing high quality products, I still believe in spending my $$$ on products made, as much as possible at least, in America. Our economy is in shambles & too much of our $$$ is flowing out of the U.S. from where it could help American families, to instead helping the Chinese.

My feeling is I will buy American whenever I can. And on discretionary spending like for Jeep parts, I darned sure will. The less $$$ we send to China & the more $$$ we spend with American manufacturers who employ Americans, the happier I am and the better off we all will be. Too bad more Americans don't see it that way. They'll buy something because it is cheaper no matter where it is made. Not me. If a product manufactured in the U.S. of mainly U.S. manufactured parts with a small percentage of foreign-made parts, that is way preferable to me than to buy something that is 100% made in China.

I'll happily pay more for a product manufactured in the U.S. than a Chinese product. I believe in supporting American manufacturing, not Chinese.
Jerry, I certainly appreciate that sentiment.

I have two American cars and one American motorcycle. One Jeep, one Olds, and one Buell.

I've pretty much got the Buell X1 where I want it, and that's almost all US made addons. It's all that's out there. (NGK plugs though).

But due to budget constraints, the Jeep has got some China stuff on it. But I researched it before I bought it. It's got Smitty bumpers, and a Q9000 winch.

Lot's of us don't have the cash to always buy American. And the fact is, if you do your homework, you'll find good foreign stuff that fits the budget. And if I hit the lottery someday, then I'll build my 100% USA TJ.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:53 AM   #102
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Several of us are running this winch and we even gave a few away at our last ride.
Ive used mine several times and its a fantastic winch.

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I added an in cab winch control and some extra switches. pretty happy with how they turned out.




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Old 07-25-2013, 12:02 PM   #103
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I picked up a used mile marker 8000lbs for 200 bucks. The biggest compliant people have about them is the free spool. Which you fix buy changing the grease in the gearbox.
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Several of us are running this winch and we even gave a few away at our last ride.
Ive used mine several times and its a fantastic winch.

Engo E9000 winch | JeepsonTrails.com

I added an in cab winch control and some extra switches. pretty happy with how they turned out.
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I like the in cab control and that switch as well were did u get the switch from and got a write up on how to wire it
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the switch setup is a custom order from OTRTTW and the wiring is very simple



for most winches that use a 3 wire control setup its simply a matter of putting 12volt to the appropriate terminal in the control box.


See the 3 wires coming out of the plug?
Red was line in.
White was line out.
Run two wires from the appropriate terminals on your switch to the corresponding solenoid locations. (easily determined with meter or test light).
then connect the center pole on your switch to a 12volt power source.
I have mine setup so that the "dont panic" is a kill switch. this switch must be on and vehicle must be on in order for it to operate.

if you are cheap you can do an incab winch control for the price of any 3 position momentary switch. so around 6 bucks.
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Do not want to dig this up and have been biting my tongue during my research, but dang, every thread I have read ends up a warn battle. I have had two warns, one good and one did not work on first run. It happens with every winch. Lucky I was with my 4x club and we had other means of recovery.
IMO I have learned through my personal experience that despite what is said here, just because it has the big red W does not mean it will be there in a life and death situation. It is mechanical and crap happens. I will not debate better odds though, thus I usually do not wheel alone.
With that said, Warn is still an option, but has anyone used the Superwinch Tiger Shark series and what are your opinions on it if you have used it? I am also thinking of saving coin for a Talon to give SW a try.

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