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Old 09-11-2013, 02:17 AM   #1
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Advice on a lift for a newbie

Ideally I'd like to go around 2". Mostly for cosmetic reasons and to eventually put 33" tires on (I do not go off roading so that won't be a factor).

Originally was going to go with a low price BBL. Around 125-150 online. Then I was told by mechanic that I would need new shocks as well. And possibly stabilizer shocks or else I will get a wobble at high speeds.

Can anyone please shed some light on this for me? Do I have to get new shocks and is there anything else I would have to do?


If I need shocks would this be good:
http://zoneoffroad.com/product?ki=20&gr=-1


If a suspension lift is much better and someone can recommend an economical one, I am all for it.



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Ideally I'd like to go around 2". Mostly for cosmetic reasons and to eventually put 33" tires on (I do not go off roading so that won't be a factor).

Originally was going to go with a low price BBL. Around 125-150 online. Then I was told by mechanic that I would need new shocks as well. And possibly stabilizer shocks or else I will get a wobble at high speeds.

Can anyone please shed some light on this for me? Do I have to get new shocks and is there anything else I would have to do?

If I need shocks would this be good:
http://zoneoffroad.com/product?ki=20&gr=-1

If a suspension lift is much better and someone can recommend an economical one, I am all for it.

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If you don't off road at all you could, but why not just upgrade the shocks for comfort. And also you can find a review on just about anything just google it.

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There are many different types of lifts out there and you will also get a many different opinions on them. It would help if you would list the specs of your jeep.( Yr/engine size/auto or 5sp ? /current tire size). That zone lift is fine for what you are seeking but running 33's would require at least 3" of lift (ideally 4") and maybe a regear. Budget Boost lifts are just spacer lifts using your current springs,the ride quality is unaffected but it does increase chance of coil bind. Coil springs lift are more ideal and usually ride quality improves as long as you don't go cheap(skyjacker=bad, OME=good). Its always a good idea to get new longer shocks and bumpstops since your are raising the suspension(BB or SL but not for BL). Body lifts are acceptable if you keep it at 1"-1.25" lift. BL's are usually done along with a SL to get the desired lift. New steering stabilizers are only needed if yours are bad and not required to be upgraded(probably recommended running 33's). All that being said, a 2" BB lift with new shocks/bumpstops would suit you fine for your needs and budget. I would only recommend a coil springs lift if your current coil springs are sagging and in need of replacement. Lastly, get a new mechanic.
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There are many different types of lifts out there and you will also get a many different opinions on them. It would help if you would list the specs of your jeep.( Yr/engine size/auto or 5sp ? /current tire size). That zone lift is fine for what you are seeking but running 33's would require at least 3" of lift (ideally 4") and maybe a regear. Budget Boost lifts are just spacer lifts using your current springs,the ride quality is unaffected but it does increase chance of coil bind. Coil springs lift are more ideal and usually ride quality improves as long as you don't go cheap(skyjacker=bad, OME=good). Its always a good idea to get new longer shocks and bumpstops since your are raising the suspension(BB or SL but not for BL). Body lifts are acceptable if you keep it at 1"-1.25" lift. BL's are usually done along with a SL to get the desired lift. New steering stabilizers are only needed if yours are bad and not required to be upgraded(probably recommended running 33's). All that being said, a 2" BB lift with new shocks/bumpstops would suit you fine for your needs and budget. I would only recommend a coil springs lift if your current coil springs are sagging and in need of replacement. Lastly, get a new mechanic.
This is good advice. With the 33's you would def need to add a BL or fenders to keep them tires from rubbing. remember, even if you are on raod your suspension is still working. You will also need new longer shocks and bumpstops. Some might say no but this is not correct. You want to make sure that your axle is restricted by your bumpstops prior to any other suspension components binding or bottoming out. Also here is a good shock explaination from UnlimitedLJ04

"so i think what Ironhead Jed is referring to above is that you need to extend the bumpstops by the same amount as your budget boost spacers, in the rear at least. The front is near coil bind with a 2" BB, so you would benefit from 1" bumpstop extension in front.

That comes to 2" bumpstop extension in the rear, and 1" bumpstop extension in front. In stock form, the TJ uses about 8" travel shocks, giving roughly 4" uptravel and 4" downtravel.

If you use the stock shocks with the necessary bumpstop extensions for your budget boost, you're left with only 6" travel in rear and 7" in front, with a crappy travel ratio since there is very little droop (~2"). Therefore, using your stock shocks in a budget boost application is actually worse than a stock rig because it has significantly less suspension travel. You end up over-extending the shocks a lot, which ultimately shortens their lifespan."

This is a very good explaination for the shocks and bumpstops which goes right along with what wattapunk was saying.
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Thank you guys for the help.

1. I will definitely replace the shocks to longer ones

2. I am not too sure/educated on bumpstops. Will have to look into that further.

3. My mechanic says there is an adjustment he can make to a screw or bolt on the wheels to prevent them from rubbing when turning?

4. So now just deciding whether its better to change the coil springs or not. Been reading conflicting reviews- some say to leave stock coils as it rides better, and some say opposite. Definitely want the smoothest ride I can get... any thoughts?
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Thank you guys for the help.

1. I will definitely replace the shocks to longer ones

2. I am not too sure/educated on bumpstops. Will have to look into that further.

3. My mechanic says there is an adjustment he can make to a screw or bolt on the wheels to prevent them from rubbing when turning?

4. So now just deciding whether its better to change the coil springs or not. Been reading conflicting reviews- some say to leave stock coils as it rides better, and some say opposite. Definitely want the smoothest ride I can get... any thoughts?
OME set up and enjoy the ride.
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:33 PM   #7
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OME set up and enjoy the ride.
I wish but from what I'm seeing, OME is out of my budget... The most expensive I would/could go is something like this:

Zone 3"
3" TJ Suspension System J2/J3

or maybe

Rough Country 2.5"
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Thank you guys for the help.

1. I will definitely replace the shocks to longer ones

2. I am not too sure/educated on bumpstops. Will have to look into that further.

3. My mechanic says there is an adjustment he can make to a screw or bolt on the wheels to prevent them from rubbing when turning?

4. So now just deciding whether its better to change the coil springs or not. Been reading conflicting reviews- some say to leave stock coils as it rides better, and some say opposite. Definitely want the smoothest ride I can get... any thoughts?
Turning is fine but what about when the suspension articulates. When you axle travels up, your tires will contact your fenders and flares causing damage to fenders and tires.

My honest opinion is go with coils if you can afford a good set.

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OME set up and enjoy the ride.
These are a good set

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I wish but from what I'm seeing, OME is out of my budget... The most expensive I would/could go is something like this:

Zone 3"
3" TJ Suspension System J2/J3

or maybe

Rough Country 2.5"
Jeep TJ Suspension Lift Kit
Def not RC. Neither of these would be on my list but I would recommend Zone over RC. Just my personal opinion and knowing people with RC Lifts. Very Rough ride with RC
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Out of your budget choices the Zone kit is a good option. A BB/spacer kit only nets you lift and new shocks. It will do nothing for the ride. If you have a worn out old suspension, you will get back to just above factory height with the old crappy ride.

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Thank you guys for the help.

1. I will definitely replace the shocks to longer ones

2. I am not too sure/educated on bumpstops. Will have to look into that further.

3. My mechanic says there is an adjustment he can make to a screw or bolt on the wheels to prevent them from rubbing when turning?

4. So now just deciding whether its better to change the coil springs or not. Been reading conflicting reviews- some say to leave stock coils as it rides better, and some say opposite. Definitely want the smoothest ride I can get... any thoughts?
Bumpstops limit upward travel to prevent your tires from hitting the flares, also prevents your shocks and coils from bottomming out or overcompressing.
Your mechanic is referring to the steer stop adjustment for rubbing issues at full lock. I doubt you need it unless you plan on running wide tires with your stock rims.
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Thanks guys.. I'm learning a ton from this info...


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Out of your budget choices the Zone kit is a good option. A BB/spacer kit only nets you lift and new shocks. It will do nothing for the ride. If you have a worn out old suspension, you will get back to just above factory height with the old crappy ride.

Good luck.
My suspension is 10 years old since my Jeep is a 2004, automatic. 95k miles on it. Im the second owner and highly doubt anything was done to it.


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Bumpstops limit upward travel to prevent your tires from hitting the flares, also prevents your shocks and coils from bottomming out or overcompressing.
Your mechanic is referring to the steer stop adjustment for rubbing issues at full lock. I doubt you need it unless you plan on running wide tires with your stock rims.
I do plan on running wide tires. Right now I have 31x10.5x15 on 8" wide rocl crawler rims. I plan on putting 33x12.5x15 tires when i get the cash.
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SO I am going to take your guys advice and get a kit with NEW Coils AND Shocks...

I want to do a 2" suspension lift (a 1" BL will follow later)...

Problem is I can't find a 2" lift w shocks/coils from Zone. Only thing I can find thats 2" with coils is from pro comp. And its just as pricey as the Zone 3"..
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/lift-ki...-pck3055k.html

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
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SO I am going to take your guys advice and get a kit with NEW Coils AND Shocks...

I want to do a 2" suspension lift (a 1" BL will follow later)...

Problem is I can't find a 2" lift w shocks/coils from Zone. Only thing I can find thats 2" with coils is from pro comp. And its just as pricey as the Zone 3"..
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/lift-ki...-pck3055k.html

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
BDS. Here's what I will be purchasing. The lift has pretty good reviews too.
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BDS. Here's what I will be purchasing. The lift has pretty good reviews too.
And that price is with a steering stabilizer and a steering box skid plate, it's even cheaper if you don't want those 2 extras.
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OP, You should be fine without doing a steer stop adjustment since those rockcrawler wheels have the correct BS. If you are unable to find 2" lift from Zone, look into a BDS lift. I believe they are from the same manufacturer but BDS come with a lifetime warranty.
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OP, You should be fine without doing a steer stop adjustment since those rockcrawler wheels have the correct BS. If you are unable to find 2" lift from Zone, look into a BDS lift. I believe they are from the same manufacturer but BDS come with a lifetime warranty.
The lifetime warranty is on hard parts, not wear items. Yes they are owned by the same company; Sport Truck USA. The same engineers design both product lines using the same computers. The Zone line was created to compete with the Rough Country type suspensions in the market. The product is very good for the money, and is just not as finely detailed in the finishing of the product. Still looks great on your rig though.

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I had a 2" BDS spring and shock lift installed, really like it, been two years now and never looked back. I paid ~$360 or so. 2006 TJ Rubicon
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In all honesty...
If your only going 2" or for cosmetic reasons.. I would do a 1.25" body lift, and just get 3/4" coil spacers, the stock suspension can handle it and you wont have to deal with getting an alignment.

Plus if you keep the stock-ish height and stiffness you can remove the front sway bar with no issues and get some nice flex if you do decide to do simple trail stuff.

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