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Old 04-13-2011, 09:16 PM   #1
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Airaid Cold Air intake with Superchip Review

I'm on my third day with my new Airaid Cold Intake, and 7 months of using just the SuperChip. I'm running the 87 octane program on my 2010 4dr Mountain with 32 inch tires. The SuperChip gave me about 2 more mpg and a noticeable increase in torque and horse power. I can mainly see the hp boost when driving up steep inclines. Over the last 3 days and about 150 miles of driving a mix of city and highway I have gained 2.2 mpg with the cold air intake and can feel a boost in horse power in the 2500 to 3000 rpm range. I then did a little test and returned my vehicle to the Stock settings and drove about 30 miles tonight. With out the SuperChip programming I lost all increase in mpg. I went from 18.7 city down to 14.5 and all increase in horse power. I have come to the inclusion that the Cold Air intake alone does not increase gas milage or hp but when combined with the SuperChip both mods work well together for an almost 20% increase in mpg and a noticeable increase in hp-torque.

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Hmmm. Interesting info. I get almost 18mpg now, but on 235/70 tires. and had been thinking about the superchip but didn't really know if it would help with highway or just offroad. I use the superchip programmer in my 4.6 v8 F150 and love it. Considerably more torque and acceleration. When I utilized the tow mode it was like a different truck. Thought I was pulling my 6500 lb camper with a diesel F250.

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How much did your super chip cost?
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Hey Rob just thought I throw it out there that your post might be better off in the JK Section of the forum.. As to CAI's and SuperChips.. They will do next to nothing for the 4.0, Trully a huge waste of money and as for your 3.7 watching the JK Section here I have seen mixed reviews on running both together, but more positive then not
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That anyone would notice any improvement whatsoever except at the 1/4 mile dragstrip with those items is a little hard for me to believe. Especially mpg.
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I would really want to see testing done on a dyno.
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Even dyno testing isn't really accurate enough for small gains. You can run the same engine at the same rpm in the same conditions three times and get three different results from a dyno.
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I understand, but wouldn't it still be a better test than some dude driving it around and giving an opinion?
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I understand, but wouldn't it still be a better test than some dude driving it around and giving an opinion?
I don't know, some people have pretty accurate butt dynos.
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Even dyno testing isn't really accurate enough for small gains. You can run the same engine at the same rpm in the same conditions three times and get three different results from a dyno.
Have you EVER had a vehicle on the dyno?

On 5 pulls with my jeep, on my dyno, I got
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Thats pretty damn good! 2.56 hp from the worst to the best.
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I'm on my third day with my new Airaid Cold Intake, and 7 months of using just the SuperChip. I'm running the 87 octane program on my 2010 4dr Mountain with 32 inch tires. The SuperChip gave me about 2 more mpg and a noticeable increase in torque and horse power. I can mainly see the hp boost when driving up steep inclines. Over the last 3 days and about 150 miles of driving a mix of city and highway I have gained 2.2 mpg with the cold air intake and can feel a boost in horse power in the 2500 to 3000 rpm range. I then did a little test and returned my vehicle to the Stock settings and drove about 30 miles tonight. With out the SuperChip programming I lost all increase in mpg. I went from 18.7 city down to 14.5 and all increase in horse power. I have come to the inclusion that the Cold Air intake alone does not increase gas milage or hp but when combined with the SuperChip both mods work well together for an almost 20% increase in mpg and a noticeable increase in hp-torque.
So you've posted a review in the TJ forum for a product thats on a JK. How does that help TJ folks who have OBDII, when your JK has OBD3 and a completely different engine and engine management system?

In addition - if you've admittedly installed a Cold Air Intake, who have actually been well shown to significantly increase the chance of damage to your engine due to a large increase of silica.

But, lets for a second assume you did in fact gain a 20% increase in mpg:
I don't know squat about JK's so I'll assume a few things to make these calculations possible

20 gallon gas tank -
300 miles per tank (15 mpg before mods)
360 miles per tank (18 mpg after mods)

Assuming $4 per gallon, you travelled 60 extra miles on $80 worth of gas.

The superchips flashcrap costs $350, the CAI costs $250. $600 total.

$600 = 7 and 1/2 tanks of gas, which would get you 2250 miles at 15mpg.

Assuming this astrodinary increase holds true, you're saving about 3 gallons of gas every time you fill up. Thats $12 per fill up, so you'd need to fill up 50 times for these mods to pay for themselves. That's 18,000 miles. Assuming you drive the national average, thats over a year and a half of highway driving.

or buy a $600 car that gets 35mpg, and you're way ahead.

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I understand, but wouldn't it still be a better test than some dude driving it around and giving an opinion?
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Wow, kinda of harsh on the OP. I'm sure it was an honest mistake that it ended up in the TJ forum. For a minute there thought I was back in the crotchety old man GoldWing forum
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LOL.... I was thinking this same thing but I was too lazy to do the math.
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So you've posted a review in the TJ forum for a product thats on a JK. How does that help TJ folks who have OBDII, when your JK has OBD3 and a completely different engine and engine management system?

In addition - if you've admittedly installed a Cold Air Intake, who have actually been well shown to significantly increase the chance of damage to your engine due to a large increase of silica.

But, lets for a second assume you did in fact gain a 20% increase in mpg:
I don't know squat about JK's so I'll assume a few things to make these calculations possible

20 gallon gas tank -
300 miles per tank (15 mpg before mods)
360 miles per tank (18 mpg after mods)

Assuming $4 per gallon, you travelled 60 extra miles on $80 worth of gas.

The superchips flashcrap costs $350, the CAI costs $250. $600 total.

$600 = 7 and 1/2 tanks of gas, which would get you 2250 miles at 15mpg.

Assuming this astrodinary increase holds true, you're saving about 3 gallons of gas every time you fill up. Thats $12 per fill up, so you'd need to fill up 50 times for these mods to pay for themselves. That's 18,000 miles. Assuming you drive the national average, thats over a year and a half of highway driving.

or buy a $600 car that gets 35mpg, and you're way ahead.



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Why so harsh? He likes the product, it's his money, it's his Jeep. He's giving us his results and his opinion.

I've heard negative things on the CAI's but mostly from those who DON'T have them. I'm interested in the "butt dyno" reviews myself. Even if the upfront cost doesn't justify the savings.....well as much money as we all spend in personal mods who are we to judge?
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here in the near future im prob gonna, just put a cone filter in place of the stock filter so basically making it a SRI not CAI, ill post my findings
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here in the near future im prob gonna, just put a cone filter in place of the stock filter
Why, what do you feel is wrong with the OE air intake system? And if you do install a cone filter, I would certainly not install a K&N.
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here in the near future im prob gonna, just put a cone filter in place of the stock filter so basically making it a SRI not CAI, ill post my findings
why? whats wrong with the stock filter box?
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nothings wrong with it, but if 25 bucks will give me potentially better mpg, hp, and throttle response like they have on all my vehicles then hey thats that much more money ill save in the long run
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Why, what do you feel is wrong with the OE air intake system? And if you do install a cone filter, I would certainly not install a K&N.
Ive never had a problem with K&N products, why do you reccomend this?
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nothings wrong with it, but if 25 bucks will give me potentially better mpg, hp, and throttle response like they have on all my vehicles then hey thats that much more money ill save in the long run
but thats the thing - you won't gain anything. you'll be wasting 25 bucks, and letting more crap into your engine.

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Ive never had a problem with K&N products, why do you reccomend this?
Read this:
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"Compared to the AC Delco air filter, the K&N plugged up nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt."
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Ive never had a problem with K&N products, why do you reccomend this?
If K&N made your underwear or something else you're closer to, you'd be more in a position to understand what the issue is with their air filters. The issue is that K&N's air filter have been found to be the absolute worst filter for actually providing an adequately filtered supply of air to the engine. Using a K&N air filter on your engine is like expecting a screen door to keep the dirt and dust out when a dust storm is raging outside your home.

A scientifically conducted ISO* test of various air filters produced some very telling results. AC-Delco's paper element air filter came in 1st, K&N's came in dead last. And since the Wrangler TJ's OE air intake system was specifically designed to be totally non-restrictive (flows more air than the engine can possibly consume) plus the factory filter has so much surface area that it is non-restrictive as well, there is not even a performance-based reason to go with a K&N.

There are SOME restrictive air intakes in some vehicles that could benefit, performance-wise, by installing a replacement but the TJ's is not one of them.

The below chart and the text below it is quoted from the ISO test...



"In the chart above it’s important to note the different test durations for each filter. The AC Delco filter test ran for 60 minutes before exceeding the restriction limit while the AMSOIL and K&N tests each ran for 20 and 24 minutes respectively before reaching max restriction. In 60 minutes the AC Filter accumulated 574gms of dirt and passed only 0.4gms. After only 24 minutes the K&N had accumulated 221gms of dirt but passed 7.0gms. Compared to the AC, the K&N “plugged up” nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt. "


*ISO 5011 Test:
The ISO 5011 Standard (formerly SAE J726) defines a precise filter test using precision measurements under controlled conditions. Temperature & humidity of the test dust and air used in the test are strictly monitored and controlled. As Arlen learned in attempting his own tests, there are many variables that can adversely affect filter test results. A small temperature change or a small change in humidity can cause the mass of a paper filter to change by several grams. To obtain an accurate measure of filter efficiency, it’s critical to know the EXACT amount of test dust being fed into the filter during the test. By following the ISO 5011 standard, a filter tested in Germany can be compared directly compared to another filter tested 5 years later in Rhode Island. The ISO 5011 filter test data for each filter is contained in two test reports; Capacity-Efficiency and Flow Restriction.
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Oh man...that Test result is pretty eye-opening. o.O
BRB, going to the parts store to pick up a new air filter...anybody know someone who wants a used K&N?

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