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Old 01-17-2012, 05:21 PM   #1
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American made winches?

What winches are still made in America besides Ramsey and Superwinch?

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Warn winches are made in the USA I think.

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nope, warn is made in Mexico nowadays unfortunately
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Im pretty sure all but 1 or 2 superwinch models are made in china.....go figure
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nope, warn is made in Mexico nowadays unfortunately
are you sure? Im almost positive WARN is USA made
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nope, warn is made in Mexico nowadays unfortunately
No they're not, all their Jeep size Warn-badged winches are manufactured in Oregon. Their small ATV winches are manufactured in China.

I dunno how rumors Warn's winches are manufactured in Mexico get started.

Two more American made winches include Superwinch's X9 and S9000... but sadly all the rest of Superwinch's winches are made in China.



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I think the rumor got started because Warn states they have a manufacturing plant in Saltillo, Mexico.
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I think the rumor got started because Warn states they have a manufacturing plant in Saltillo, Mexico.
yeah what he said

ok now where are the best places to one of these handy dandy american made beauties? and are there any other options beside WARN, Ramsey, and Superwinch?

you would think i could get a darn Ramsey cheaper and factory direct seeing as how i live about 10 miles give or take from them here in Tulsa.
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No they're not, all their Jeep size Warn-badged winches are manufactured in Oregon. Their small ATV winches are manufactured in China.

I dunno how rumors Warn's winches are manufactured in Mexico get started.

Two more American made winches include Superwinch's X9 and S9000... but sadly all the rest of Superwinch's winches are made in China.




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I dunno how rumors Warn's winches are manufactured in Mexico get started.
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If the time ever comes when you need to rebuild your motor, look on the case and you may find it stamped "Made in Mexico" Mine on my 9.5Ti was but this is no reason to believe that the winches are made in Mexico tho. I think some people are jumping to conclusions.

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OK, I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this but I'm gonna ask this question as a guy who grew up in Detroit (and thus the auto industry) and have had "buy american" crammed down my throat since I was a toddler.

So.. why is the American Made winch better than the non-american made winch? In theory, if it was designed in America but built in Mexico, china, etc, would it not still be an acceptable product? I know globalization isn't going away. Why are so many people stuck on the idea that manufacturing in America is necessary? We are a service economy not a manufacturing economy like we were 60 years ago. Why fight what works?

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So.. why is the American Made winch better than the non-american made winch? In theory, if it was designed in America but built in Mexico, china, etc, would it not still be an acceptable product?
Are you serious? Do you not watch the news? Have you not read in the newspapers and seen on the network news the outrage over many of the products produced in China that have been literally killing thousands of people including babies? Poisonous baby formula products, non-medicinal grade Glycerin used in medicines, food products that are literally killing those who eat them, explosive batteries, drywall giving off poisonous fumes in entire housing tracts. Many Chinese manufacturers care about just one thing... profits and many sure as hell don't care if they produce a good safe product for the American consumer. Not to mention for every job we give to a Chinese worker, that is one less job for an American worker.
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I dont give a damn of it was Designed in the USA, if it has CHINA stamped on it, Im not buying. That means an American based company gave in to higher profit yields at the cost of my friends and families jobs-Just to pay a Chinese sweat shop worker to piece together that chinese winch made of crappy materials that leave you stuck in the middle of nowhere. It may be Designed, but it will never be American.

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I dont give a damn of it was Designed in the USA, if it has CHINA stamped on it, Im not buying. That means an American based company gave in to higher profit yields at the cost of my friends and families jobs-Just to pay a Chinese sweat shop worker to piece together that chinese winch made of crappy materials that leave you stuck in the middle of nowhere. It may be Designed, but it will never be American.
A good example of that is Currie's U.S. designed spare tire carrier that was taken to China by Smittybilt to be copied and manufactured for less. The final product's shoddy quality as now sold by Smittybilt shows just what a Chinese manufacturer can do to a design and product that was originally superb.
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A good example of that is Currie's U.S. designed spare tire carrier that was taken to China by Smittybilt to be copied and manufactured for less. The final product's shoddy quality as now sold by Smittybilt shows just what a Chinese manufactuer can do with a design and product that was originally superb.
Which sir, is why I just purchased my spare Adapter from Handen Fabrication. Found them on eBay. 110% US made.


As far as American tools go- they really dont even compare to a good Swiss or German made tool- BUT, its the fact of the matter, I support America and the Jobs here.
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Refer to my signature. Enough said. Oh, and I'm a U.S. Army vet.
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Refer to my signature. Enough said. Oh, and I'm a U.S. Army vet.
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I see all of your points when it comes to quality manufacturing. I guess my frustration is based on where I grew up, the constant reminders that anything made outside of the U.S (regardless of country) is an inferior product. I drove a Honda Civic and used to get ridiculed by coworkers and family members for it because they were part of the all knowing american auto industry and I was a traitor to my country for buying a japanese car. Granted, that car cost me $500 and lasted more than 60,000 miles so I don't see the harm in buying a foreign car just for the sake of "Buy American".

All of that said, people can spend their money how they want. I find it hard to hate on Walmart while getting toilet paper, clothes and electronics at lower costs than I would otherwise. I find it hard to hate on a culture of capitalism when I and every other people who works for a living is part of the same culture of capitalism.

Finally, I currently drive two American Vehicles, work for a private company based entirely in the United States, use a Warn Winch, smoke 305 cigarettes and support local food establishments every day. Wouldn't matter to me if those brands and purchases were domestic or foreign as long as they work for me.
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X2 - All the love and respect in the world for those who defend our country.

I see all of your points when it comes to quality manufacturing. I guess my frustration is based on where I grew up, the constant reminders that anything made outside of the U.S (regardless of country) is an inferior product. I drove a Honda Civic and used to get ridiculed by coworkers and family members for it because they were part of the all knowing american auto industry and I was a traitor to my country for buying a japanese car. Granted, that car cost me $500 and lasted more than 60,000 miles so I don't see the harm in buying a foreign car just for the sake of "Buy American".

All of that said, people can spend their money how they want. I find it hard to hate on Walmart while getting toilet paper, clothes and electronics at lower costs than I would otherwise. I find it hard to hate on a culture of capitalism when I and every other people who works for a living is part of the same culture of capitalism.

Finally, I currently drive two American Vehicles, work for a private company based entirely in the United States, use a Warn Winch, smoke 305 cigarettes and support local food establishments every day. Wouldn't matter to me if those brands and purchases were domestic or foreign as long as they work for me.
Your exactly right about people and thier money....they can and will spend it how they please. Wal-Mart, keep in mind, was once a "Proud to carry American Company" ....Sam Walton would roll over in his grave if he knew how many foreign goods they now carry. All to save money. Heck Yeah I love my 1.99 toilet paper, but id pay the 2.89 if it meant everytime I wiped my butt it saved an American job.
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My buddy works for Warn at the factory here in Oregon.

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I spent a lot of time finding the perfect bumpers that were made in the USA.I refused to buy one made in China.Now what about televisions,electronice etc.Does everyone buy USA made tv's.Hell Im not sure if that exists.So are we being hypocrites? I feel I am sometimes.
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Are you serious? Do you not watch the news? Have you not read in the newspapers and seen on the network news the outrage over many of the products produced in China that have been literally killing thousands of people including babies? Poisonous baby formula products, non-medicinal grade Glycerin used in medicines, food products that are literally killing those who eat them, explosive batteries, drywall giving off poisonous fumes in entire housing tracts. Many Chinese manufacturers care about just one thing... profits and many sure as hell don't care if they produce a good safe product for the American consumer. Not to mention for every job we give to a Chinese worker, that is one less job for an American worker.

Jerry I agree with you you hit the nail on the head. I for one am in a Lawsuit with the Chinese Drywall. The company that actually produced the drywall in my house is partly owned by the Chinese Government which for the last two years has snubbed it's nose at the lawsuit until just recently they hired a high powered law firm here in the U S after Judge Fallon started looking into assests owned by them here in the US OF A..It really Sux..
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Got a Vizio T.v, arent they california? I dunno, small market for electronics in US.
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quality and jobs

These are really two separate issues. I have found from experience and research that when a product's manufacturing is moved overseas the quality typically is reduced. That is both from a labor and material standpoint. The labor is understandable because the foreigners (typically asian) do not have the hands-on mechanical growing up that the Americans do. Also, their manufacturing is typically more labor intensive with less trained laborer's.

The jobs issue is really very simple. The $7 economic axiom states that when NEW money comes into the economy it turns over 7 times. That is what fuels the economy. The reason it is not more is that money continues to flow out of the economy to purchase outside materials.

If there is more money going out of the economy than is coming in, then the economy WILL collapse eventually. This is true for a city, county, state and the US as a whole.

The only NEW money that can come into the national economy is that which comes from foreign trade or from our environmental bank (agriculture, minerals, oil, etc.). During the 50's - 70's our manufacturing was a significant supplier of new money due to American products being sold outside our country. When that reversed by people buying more foreign products our economy began shrinking by eating up the gains of the 50's - 70's.

Service (unless sold abroad) provides absolutely NO new money to the economy. It is part of the $7 turnover. It doesn't accelerate the shrinking of the economy but does NOTHING to provide NEW money and, thereby, growth.

So, the buying of foreign products just accelerates the collapse of our economy and promotes the lowering of our standard of living while increasing the standard of living of the foreign countries.

It is necessary to purchase foreign products. It is just that the Americans have a binge attitude for buying foreign instead of buying foreign when they don't have a good reason. Like when ABC emptied the one house of everything not made in America. There was ONE vase left in the entire house! Just how long does a rational person think we can keep sending all of our resources (money) over seas and not empty the bucket?

Also, one must realize that the "average" service job pays about $9/hr. That is what the "service" economy is promoting.

A person should not feel guilty if they have to buy something foreign IF they actually make a good attempt to buy American whenever they can, even if it is slightly higher. That is what we have to do to pay for our higher standard of living.
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OK, I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this but I'm gonna ask this question as a guy who grew up in Detroit (and thus the auto industry) and have had "buy american" crammed down my throat since I was a toddler.

So.. why is the American Made winch better than the non-american made winch? In theory, if it was designed in America but built in Mexico, china, etc, would it not still be an acceptable product? I know globalization isn't going away. Why are so many people stuck on the idea that manufacturing in America is necessary? We are a service economy not a manufacturing economy like we were 60 years ago. Why fight what works?

OK, flame on.
im no gonna flame you, but you should google the Apple (i-pod and what-not) and the xbox latest news......
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im no gonna flame you, but you should google the Apple (i-pod and what-not) and the xbox latest news......
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These are really two separate issues. I have found from experience and research that when a product's manufacturing is moved overseas the quality typically is reduced. That is both from a labor and material standpoint. The labor is understandable because the foreigners (typically asian) do not have the hands-on mechanical growing up that the Americans do. Also, their manufacturing is typically more labor intensive with less trained laborer's.

The jobs issue is really very simple. The $7 economic axiom states that when NEW money comes into the economy it turns over 7 times. That is what fuels the economy. The reason it is not more is that money continues to flow out of the economy to purchase outside materials.

If there is more money going out of the economy than is coming in, then the economy WILL collapse eventually. This is true for a city, county, state and the US as a whole.

The only NEW money that can come into the national economy is that which comes from foreign trade or from our environmental bank (agriculture, minerals, oil, etc.). During the 50's - 70's our manufacturing was a significant supplier of new money due to American products being sold outside our country. When that reversed by people buying more foreign products our economy began shrinking by eating up the gains of the 50's - 70's.

Service (unless sold abroad) provides absolutely NO new money to the economy. It is part of the $7 turnover. It doesn't accelerate the shrinking of the economy but does NOTHING to provide NEW money and, thereby, growth.

So, the buying of foreign products just accelerates the collapse of our economy and promotes the lowering of our standard of living while increasing the standard of living of the foreign countries.

It is necessary to purchase foreign products. It is just that the Americans have a binge attitude for buying foreign instead of buying foreign when they don't have a good reason. Like when ABC emptied the one house of everything not made in America. There was ONE vase left in the entire house! Just how long does a rational person think we can keep sending all of our resources (money) over seas and not empty the bucket?

Also, one must realize that the "average" service job pays about $9/hr. That is what the "service" economy is promoting.

A person should not feel guilty if they have to buy something foreign IF they actually make a good attempt to buy American whenever they can, even if it is slightly higher. That is what we have to do to pay for our higher standard of living.
VERY well said, that was an astute explanation of much that few people truly understand.
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"A person should not feel guilty if they have to buy something foreign IF they actually make a good attempt to buy American whenever they can, even if it is slightly higher. That is what we have to do to pay for our higher standard of living."
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I dont give a damn of it was Designed in the USA, if it has CHINA stamped on it, Im not buying. That means an American based company gave in to higher profit yields at the cost of my friends and families jobs-Just to pay a Chinese sweat shop worker to piece together that chinese winch made of crappy materials that leave you stuck in the middle of nowhere. It may be Designed, but it will never be American.

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Just curious... And I'll be clear, I have been as careful as possible to purchase American made products , most of the time, for the last 30 some years. True, I once owned a fancy euro sedan, and I once owned an FJ 40, but that's about it. I wear Redwing boots, own jeeps, and I don't shop at walmart, euro, canadian, and Aussie products are ok by me, as those folks enjoy the same standard of living that we do, ( more or less )... So my question is.. Do you, or do any of the folks on the current " anti-Asian produced soap boxes" shop at Walmart?
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So my question is.. Do you, or do any of the folks on the current " anti-Asian produced soap boxes" shop at Walmart?
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