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Old 01-12-2010, 05:47 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Another 3rd Brake Light Mod

I found this Lug Nut Light Kit about a week ago.
Although I have seen some guys do the light in the Center Cap,
I haven't seen anyone do this Lug Hole Mod yet.
But then again...I haven't really looked either.

I actually prefer this mod over the Center Cap one because pretty much everything you need comes in the kit.
There are 3 LED's per light, that hook up to quick disconnects,
and they're supposedly waterproof.
Heh...we'll just have to see about that one.

You can buy a kit that will fit a Swing-Away Carrier, or one for the Stock Tire Carrier. I bought the one for the Swing-Away, just in case I ever decide to buy one. I really think the only difference in the length.

I'm gonna give a short write up on how I installed it,
just in case anyone else feels like doing this easy inexpensive mod.
Let me know how ya like it....good or bad...doesn't matter.
It's hard to hurt someones feelings when they don't have any feelings. lol.

Here's the lights that you get with the kit.
They're LED's,
but don't think for one second that they're gonna look as slick as your ORO's. (if you have a pair)
Still...they're a nice touch with the reflection they put onto your wheel.



I used a self tapping screw to create a ground at the rear of the tire carrier.
I put it near the back because that's where I planned on wrapping the excess wire.





Next...
I pulled out the hot and ground wires that lead to the 3rd Brake Light on the Stock Carrier.



I ran the hot wire from the new lights up through the same hole that the original wires go through.
Then I spliced into the hot wire using the provided Scotch-lock.





After the connection was secured,
I cut off the old un-needed loom from where the connection was made.



Then I taped up the new connection,
wrapped it all in some bigger loom,
and taped it all up again.
Overkill???...yeah maybe.
But that s.o.b. is sturdy, and I like having peace of mind.



Then I tested the lights to make sure they were both working,
before putting everything back together.
Actually I tested them quite a few times before this,
so I could be sure to catch something before it was too late.
I really hate back tracking.



....AND THE FINISHED PRODUCT.




My only gripe about the lights themselves is...
I think they should've left the LED's visible,
rather than covering them with a red lens.
A clear lens showing the individual LED's might have looked better.

I'll get some pics from further away later on if anyone wants to see them.

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Old 01-12-2010, 09:50 AM   #2
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I'm interested in seeing more pics from further away...hard to tell how bright they are. Oh, got a link of where u bought them?
good writeup IMO.

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Where did you find them?

Nice!
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:09 AM   #4
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I just ordered these last week! For ppl who are interested, they were $25 at 4wd.com when they were having their sale in december. I think they are usually $30. I'm glad to see someone with them!
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shweet Blacktooth. I was looking at these a while back, but haven't heard any opinions on them. Thanks for the write up.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:37 PM   #6
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Thanks guys.

Sure...I'll take some more pictures further away so you can get a better idea.
The flash on my camera brings stuff into focus more...but it strips the brightness.
When I don't use the flash, the glare is ridiculous, and it often comes out a bit blurry.
But I'll try to get some better shots for ya.
Rest assured though, they are plenty bright.
I just don't like the red lenses over the LED's because it makes the color look similar to your stock 3rd brake light.

Oh yeah, where did I get them.
Similar to Hensman....
I found them at 4wd.com for $25, but I then called Quadratec about it,
they matched 4wd.com's price, and gave me free shipping on top of that.
So...$25.19 to my door from Quadratec.

Just do a Shopping search for Delta Lug Nut Lights.
Find the best price, then call Quadratec and see if they'll meet or beat it,
as they did for me.

FYI - The self tapper in my pic is not the one that came with the kit.
I used a longer one of my own because I wasn't sure if the stubby little thing they
provided work would where I grounded it.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:57 PM   #7
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That is slick-looking. Nice write-up and pics, too. Do you produce tutorials for a living? I have to ask a dumb question, though. Is this mod to acommodate a larger spare? Only asking because my spare fits in the OE holder and the light is visible.

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Old 01-12-2010, 05:23 PM   #8
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I think they look pretty good. I notice you can still see the line from where the led's sit... You should rotate them so they give the "angry eyebrows" effect

Also, what do they look like from a distance?
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:25 PM   #9
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That is slick-looking. Nice write-up and pics, too. Do you produce tutorials for a living? I have to ask a dumb question, though. Is this mod to acommodate a larger spare? Only asking because my spare fits in the OE holder and the light is visible.

Thanks.
Thanks...but no.
I just did it to try and help others.
There are tons of mods that I'd like to do, but don't really know how.
I wish there more "how-to's" around.
So....just trying to practice what I preach, I guess.

It's for either one.
I have a 33x12.50 on my stock carrier.
The stock 3rd brake light is still fully visible,
and I wired this to work in addition to it.
You can use it the way I did,
or if you've removed your stock carrier, (and have eliminated the 3rd brake light)
you can use these as a replacement 3rd brake light in your spare,
on your Swing-Away tire mount.

If I remember correctly,
these light are only supposed to fit 3/4" lug nut holes though.
So....MEASURE FIRST.


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I think they look pretty good. I notice you can still see the line from where the led's sit... You should rotate them so they give the "angry eyebrows" effect

Also, what do they look like from a distance?
Another trick of the flash.
I don't think that line is quite as visible to the eye.
I'll try to get some more pics on my way home tonight.
Cool suggestion though.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:34 PM   #10
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If anyone is thinking about doing this:

I highly recommend going with the Swing-Away kit as opposed to the Stock Carrier kit.
Reason being is because you have about 5-6 feet of wire to play with.
When I spoke with the guy at Quadratec, he said the Stock Carrier kit only comes with about a foot and a half of wire.
Personally, I'm happier having too much, rather than not enough.

I just loomed the excess wire and neatly wrapped and tied it to the Carrier behind the spare.
You can't even see it.
Or...you can cut it to fit your needs.
Either way, having a bit more to begin with makes things easier, IMO.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:11 PM   #11
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Thats a great spot for lights!!! Thanks for the info/idea. I dont like not haveing my third break light.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:18 PM   #12
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Yeah, got a swing away tire carrier a few weeks ago and I don't like not having a third brake light.I feel like people might hit me from not knowing I'm braking. These will make it much more noticeable and even will attract attention.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:50 PM   #13
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Okay guys....
I took these coming home from work last night.
It's really hard to capture what they actually look like.
All I can say is that they are just as bright as your original 3rd brake light,
and about the same color too. (maybe a hair darker in color, but not much)





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Old 01-13-2010, 04:41 PM   #14
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That's especially nice with the chrome wheel!
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:40 AM   #15
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Exclamation

UPDATE:

After running this kit for a week and doing a bit of off-roading over the weekend,
I found that grounding it to my tire carrier wasn't the best route to take.
I noticed the lights going out as the carrier/gate moved around a bit.

So I went to the parts store and bought another Scotchlok Auto-Connector,
then tapped into the original 3rd Brake Light Ground.
MUCH BETTER.
I probably should have done this to begin with,
but I didn't have the extra connector on hand,
and since everything worked in the garage and on the city streets...well, you get the point.
Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
Just wanted to save someone else a bit of cursing.
Easy enough though.

I also found some nice 3/4" loom that I like better.
It tucks up underneath the 3rd Brake Light housing and fits into the bottom hole very well too.



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Old 01-19-2010, 08:53 AM   #16
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..that looks like 3/8" loom
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:09 PM   #17
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Nope...it's definitely 3/4" ID.
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:21 PM   #18
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Running the lug nut light wiring

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I am getting the Expedition One Trail Series rear bumper with tire carrier and I'm wondering if I will have to drill extra holes in the mounting plate to run these wires to the open lug holes? Looking at the attached pic, I don't think the pre-drilled holes will line up? I'm afraid of crimping/severing the wires between the wheel and mount if I don't. Any ideas? Thanks, blacker1

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Old 08-25-2010, 08:47 PM   #19
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Hey Blacker1.

Looks like you've got a nice tire carrier headed your way!
Wish I had one...

I'm not running the Lug-Lites anymore, but I still think they're a great addition to any Jeep!
It looks like you could run them both through that large center hole.
If there's actually a hole there that is.
Otherwise....I really wouldn't worry about it too much man.
I understand your concerns about mashing or severing the wires,
but this kit and its wiring is actually pretty tough for what it is.
You'll see what I mean once you get the kit.
It also comes with 3 spacers that fit on your mounting studs to provide
a bit more space between your wheel and the plate.
(to help prevent that from happening to your wires)

As you can see from this pic,
I never drilled out my mounting plate, I ran the wires around the side of it.
Once the tire is mounted, you can't see any wires.
I just used the spacers that were provided,
and used some additional electrical tape on the wires for a bit more cushion.
Then I make sure not to crank the sh*t out of the lugs when mounting my spare.
I've noticed with spare removal that the wires are little mashed,
but nothing to be concerned about.



I think it might be a cleaner mod if you wanted to drill out the plate,
just not sure that it's really necessary for a $25 light mod,
that's all.
Hope it works out for ya.


Here's what I'm running now btw....
I rigged up an Iron Cross Brake Light in place of my center cap:
(and I DID drill out my plate for this one. )

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Beautiful mod!My only criticism is-do away with the Scotchlock taps and solder and tape your wires.Much better integrity of connectivity,and will never fail.The moisture from rain and especially off-road,mud,water,dust,etc.,will wreak havoc upon those Scotchlocks.I have almost 20 years of automotive electrical experience in my resume-just trying to be helpful!Great job-looks COOL!
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I hear ya Gold.
Soldering would be a better permanent connection.
Or even maybe some of the Insulated Solder Sleeves.
But I've had good luck splicing this way in the past.
After I was done, I taped everything up really good on multiple levels.
(wires, then locks, and then again over the loom)
Haven't had any issues, even with constant pressure washing.
I also have a 4x4 pick-up that's a couple decades old, no issues.
It's a good point to make though
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Thanks for all the info BTG! My M/T Classic II's have cool center caps so I just may go with the lug LED's to keep that cap intact. Love the Iron Cross light you installed and not to get off of topic, but the tribute to Dimebag is killer...RIP DBD! There will never be another! Is your "south of heaven" location a reference to the Slayer boys? Many thanks, Blacker1
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Right on man, hope it works out well for ya.
Shoot me some pics when you get it all rigged up.

Yep...Dimebag was a God alright!
...and your correct on the Slayer reference as well

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Thanks man.
I like it.
For Now........
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Nice mod. Did a similar thing on mine. I soldered the wires and then added
weather-pak connectors to make it removable. I Used LEDs that I sourced from ebay and connectors from work. ( Industrial Electrician ). It worked and looked great I thought, however I live in the NAZI state of Virginia. Didnt pass our inspection and had to do somethin else. o well
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UPDATE:

After running this kit for a week and doing a bit of off-roading over the weekend,
I found that grounding it to my tire carrier wasn't the best route to take.
I noticed the lights going out as the carrier/gate moved around a bit.

So I went to the parts store and bought another Scotchlok Auto-Connector,
then tapped into the original 3rd Brake Light Ground.
MUCH BETTER.
I probably should have done this to begin with,
but I didn't have the extra connector on hand,
and since everything worked in the garage and on the city streets...well, you get the point.
Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
Just wanted to save someone else a bit of cursing.
Easy enough though.

I also found some nice 3/4" loom that I like better.
It tucks up underneath the 3rd Brake Light housing and fits into the bottom hole very well too.



Reviving an old thread....

I just got my lugnut led lights, and the instructions say that their ground wire is the black one. From your pictures, I see you hooked up black wire to black wire, so I assume the black Jeep wire is the 3rd light ground, correct? I tried looking in y FSM, but that was an exercise in futility. Thanks.
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I'm having an issue with my LUG-NUT-LITE Kit - 3rd Brake Light. I’ve got power to the union of the lights at the spare tire but no 3rd lights. Could both bulbs be bad? Shouldn't there be a circuit thru the bulbs using an Om’s meter? I’ve installed everything just like you did but no light!! Any suggestions??
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Looks nice. Especially with those shinny chrome rims! Cowboys From Hell!

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