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Old 09-09-2011, 04:02 PM   #1
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Another ticking noise thread

A While back(a couple months ago) I was told that the ticking noise my jeep was making after I changed the oil could be lifter tick. It only did it as far as I could tell until the engine heated up and then it stopped. I changed the oil again and now it makes a different ticking noise. Now even heated up and idling it makes a ticking noise but over a couple of seconds it gets louder each tick then stops and then starts again after a couple more seconds. It doesn't seem to have a set pattern either. Any ideas? Or is this too vague?

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Old 09-09-2011, 04:14 PM   #2
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have been told---and not to perpetuate or add confusion---that hydraulic valves/lifters leak sometimes and will "tick". Jeep 4.0s are known for this. Mine does it around 5K miles-or when the oil needs changed. I do change it at 5K since I have switched to full synthetic Mobil 1 and WIX filter---I also use 10W30 oil.

This cures it for a while--but it always comes back. When the oil is dirty.

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Old 09-09-2011, 04:18 PM   #3
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have you placed your thumb or finger on the cam position sensor to make sure its not the oil pump drive assembly? you will feel it in the sensor with each tick if that is the culprit.
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:29 PM   #4
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That's why I changed my oil to see if it would stop it but it didn't. I just put my finger on the sensor and I wasn't feeling anything.
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I hear it more on the left side of the engine
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:36 PM   #6
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ah, ok. well if you already placed your finger, thumb, or whatever onto the cam sensor and didn't feel it tick, then i have nothing else to offer. Sorry. I know that those gear shafts get wallerd out, and start to tick on alot of the 4.0 engines, and that's what the case was with mine. but if you are good in that department, then best of luck trying to find it.

Small annoying sounds can really get to you. I know they drive me crazy, and are usually always a pain in the ass to hunt down.
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:38 PM   #7
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Driving me nuts!
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ah, ok. well if you already placed your finger, thumb, or whatever onto the cam sensor and didn't feel it tick, then i have nothing else to offer. Sorry. I know that those gear shafts get wallerd out, and start to tick on alot of the 4.0 engines, and that's what the case was with mine. but if you are good in that department, then best of luck trying to find it.

Small annoying sounds can really get to you. I know they drive me crazy, and are usually always a pain in the ass to hunt down.
Where is the can position sensor and how does this help me diagnose a tick? I've been hunting a tick down too
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passenger side towards the firewall. Usually a grey plastic piece, with a black rectangle on it. Your coil will connect to this. Its also right above the oil filter. You cant miss it. Its the only piece sticking straight up from the block.

It helps you diagnose a tick because if you feel the thump with the tick on that cam sensor, then that gear housing needs to be replaced. According to Orielly, its called a crank angle sensor unit (comes with the gears and the cam sensor) but any way, its a $65 part, and any mechanic that is decent can get it done with only an hours worth of labor charged to you. I didn't want to do it cause i couldn't get my engine to TDC, and my neighbor tried by just pulling the old one out and matching the grooves on the new one, and yeah, didn't work. But annnnnyyyyy way, its an annoying tick.
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I'm just Goin to throw this out here but are you sure it's not an exhaust leak? Sometimes an exhaust leak will sound like a tick and once the pipes heat up the hole swells shut and it will stop if it's small enough. But not sure if that's your problem though just a thought
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I thought that too but now it does it when it's heated up as well.
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Does it go away, to a point, when you accelerate ?
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Is the CPS that little black box covered up by that tube right next to the oil dipstick?
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I thought that too but now it does it when it's heated up as well.
Yeah could have gotten worse my dads Durango had a tiny click to it a while back and it slowly got worse and it used to go away once it heated up but now it's there constantly and we know for sure that it's an exaust leak
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Does it go away, to a point, when you accelerate ?
Now it gets worse as I accelerate until I get in the higher gears and I can't hear it but when I stop I can still hear it
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Yeah could have gotten worse my dads Durango had a tiny click to it a while back and it slowly got worse and it used to go away once it heated up but now it's there constantly and we know for sure that it's an exaust leak
The thing is I didn't get it until I changed my oil like 3 or 4 months ago and I just changed it again and it got worse
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The thing is I didn't get it until I changed my oil like 3 or 4 months ago and I just changed it again and it got worse
yeah thats the part that gets me. maybe if you take a short video of it happening we could hear it and maybe relate to it?
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I'm going to try to and video it today to see if you can hear it
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I'm going to try to and video it today to see if you can hear it
ok awesome i might not be able to help but im sure the vid will make it easier to figure out
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Is the CPS that little black box covered up by that tube right next to the oil dipstick?
Sorry for the delay. Yes that grey piece to the right of the dipstick is the cps with the black rectangular piece on the top with the two 3/32" sized nuts. If I remember correctly.
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well apparently the videos i took are too long to put up. i have to go but ill be back in a few hours and try and get a video up
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OK WELL!!! I went back out to take a video for the ticking sound and i put my finger on the CPS just to make sure and i could feel it. So i dont know why i couldnt feel it before but i can now. SO either i have two ticks or i dont know what happened. Im going to get that replaced and i will see.

oh and can i fix this myself or do i have to get somebody else to do it?
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So after doing some research im a bit confused. What i have learned is: the camshaft position sensor or crank angle sensor also drives the oil pump and........ that doing it yourself you can really screw it up....... ANY HELP?
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OK WELL!!! I went back out to take a video for the ticking sound and i put my finger on the CPS just to make sure and i could feel it. So i dont know why i couldnt feel it before but i can now. SO either i have two ticks or i dont know what happened. Im going to get that replaced and i will see.

oh and can i fix this myself or do i have to get somebody else to do it?
I would get your mechanic to replace it. You are messing with your timing if you do it your self.
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I figured thats what you would sayJust moved up to northern ky a couple of months ago so I don't know a good mechanic around here. Anybody from around here that knows one?
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Oh man,what a bummer. Well just to let you know, any mechanic worth his weight in salt will be able to so this with only an hour of labor charged to you. Don't let it go to far like I did. It bit me in the ass when the CPS went out.. had to be towed by my neighbor to my mechanic and was without my Jeep for a day :-(
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Yeah I definitely don't want that
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You can replace the CPS yourself. You have to watch the timing of the unit is all. The main body of the CPS is a gear driven shaft. The gear is in mesh with the Camshaft. The actual sensor sits on top. When you unbolt the sensor from the top of the body, you will see a 'kind of' square looking timing thing. This thing spins and is what sets your timing so the sensor fires the plugs at the right time. You have to note the postion of the square looking timing thing. IF you get one gear tooth off left or right, it will mess up your timing. Plenty of people have done this replacement at home. I checked mine out last year and it is fine.

Also, when you pop the sensor off, you can move the litte square thing back and forth a tiny bit to see how much play is in the gear teeth. If it moves a tiny amount, this unit is fine. If you feel alot of slop, the gear teeth are wearing out prematurely. This is a noted problem on 05-06 Jeeps if I remember correctly.
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This is a picture of the cam shaft sensor and the cam shaft synchronizer.

The helical gear is what can wear out and cause problems.

The little "round" open sides "cup" sitting in the top of the synchronizer is the piece that you need to be in the same position as the one you take out. I called it a little square piece but it really is round with a cut out on one side.

This part with a new sensor cap is about 30 bucks on Rock Auto. Just the cam synchronizer (body with the gear) is 48 bucks on NAPA and no sensor is included. The sensor on NAPA is another 50 bucks.
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What's a good way to note the gear it's on so I don't mess up the timing?

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