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Old 08-11-2013, 01:00 PM   #31
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CCOR sells the EPF12000s with cover, synth line and wireless remote for about $500 shipped. Synthetic line is the way to go. Steel wire sucks, rusts, kinks,is much heavier, is a lot more dangerous etc..........
Unless I'm not looking hard enough, the only winches I see for sale at CCOR are Warn, with the exception of small atv winches.

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Unless I'm not looking hard enough, the only winches I see for sale at CCOR are Warn, with the exception of small atv winches.
I was about to say the same thing

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Click the link, select "electric winches", peruse the Engo winches for sale.

It could be said that I don't "need" a Warn, but they are local to me and they make a quality product that is both USA made and affordable to me, so I have three valid reasons to purchase their product.

Of course it helps for me that the LJ I'm currently interested in purchasing has a ti9.5 with synthetic already on it.
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Old 08-11-2013, 02:47 PM   #34
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The whole waterproof wihch thing is more of a current marketing fad. A winch will operate completely submerged in fresh water and not suffer any permanent damage. Think of our engine starter motors which is the same type of motor used in a winch. Starter motors are open to the elements, not sealed, mounted down low on our engines, and they get continually soaked as they get splashed continually when driving in a rainstorm. Do they have problems from getting wet? Nope.

Yes you could submerge the winch in fresh water & it would work just fine while submerged.... it's only in salt water where that wouldn't work.
Well Ive got a Warn.Ive got a thread showing why my freespool lever wouldent budge.The gaskets allowed water into the gear assy.Ive been trying for over a week,soon going on 2 weeks to get Warn to send me 2 new gaskets,about a buck each.Not sure if Id buy another Warn at this point.I think Ill buy an Engo.
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Old 08-11-2013, 04:02 PM   #35
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Unless I'm not looking hard enough, the only winches I see for sale at CCOR are Warn, with the exception of small atv winches.
Call them up, or PM them from JF. They advertise ENGO products and promotions on the JF.
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Click the link, select "electric winches", peruse the Engo winches for sale.

It could be said that I don't "need" a Warn, but they are local to me and they make a quality product that is both USA made and affordable to me, so I have three valid reasons to purchase their product.

Of course it helps for me that the LJ I'm currently interested in purchasing has a ti9.5 with synthetic already on it.
Nothing wrong with buying a WARN at all. And Im definitely not saying the product isn't good. Its just that you pay a heavy premium for a product that today isn't going to guarantee you a superior product over a competitive brand that is priced significantly lower. There are other companies out there that do in fact make higher quality and better performing products for a lot less money. WARN may do final assembly of the products in the US, but a lot of the parts used are sourced from overseas. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Just because its made elsewhere doesn't mean the part or product is inferior. Many times it can be just the opposite in today's age.
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I can agree with much of that for sure. I support local, regional, and national when I can as long as its a good product. I'm not going to support a USA company that makes junk.

As for those that don't see the Engo winches on NJO's link: I see them listed just fine, all I did was click the link, then select "electric winches". They list them all for sale right there.
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I bought my first winch on e-bay for 30 bucks. A milemarker, it was a beast. I didn't care about it, didn't maintain it, and overloaded it regularly. That damn thing was indestructible. My WARN is 3 x as fast and is awesome. The speed is amazing(well, compared to the MM).

Winches are a must for a serious offroader, especially if you might get dogged off when your alone.

Might wanna buy a cheap used POS online and refurb it, then if you trash it who cares? I love my warn, don't get me wrong, but its pretty penny if I break it. I would never have bought one I don't think, but I comes with the AEV 350.
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Click the link, select "electric winches", peruse the Engo winches for sale.

It could be said that I don't "need" a Warn, but they are local to me and they make a quality product that is both USA made and affordable to me, so I have three valid reasons to purchase their product.

Of course it helps for me that the LJ I'm currently interested in purchasing has a ti9.5 with synthetic already on it.
I was talking about CCOR. They don't have any Engo winches on their site.
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I was talking about CCOR. They don't have any Engo winches on their site.
I'm not trying to argue about it. I just followed the link that NJO put in his post like I said, and there are Engo winches listed with prices and pictures. I was trying to be helpful was all.
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I just looked at the URL and the link takes me to Engo USA, so I'm not even looking at the same place you're talking about. Which I now believe is what you were trying to tell me. lol

My bad.
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Again guys, gotta call, email or PM Bobby there at CCOR. Most of the stuff he sells isn't even posted on his website which isn't really set up well for direct internet sales. He is more of a traditional phone guy.
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Can't speak much about the vr series from warn, but I have used the piss out of my Warn 9500 CTI without the slightest issue, but I also paid 1500 bucks for it. For a cheap winch I am sure the Engo would be fine, but when we spend thousands of dollars on wheels, tires, lifts, and armor do you really want a cheap winch? JMHOP. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Out of those two... the warn.

I would highly suggest looking at Engo as well, very good quality and a very good price. Not as good as top of the line WARN stuff, but compared to the VR series... I would probably go Engo with all the frills. Mine's been wonderful, used the mechanical warranty about 2 years into ownership for a manufacturer defect (there was a "recall" out, I just didn't know) and I got the replacement part in a few days and it was a 10 minute repair. When I emailed customer service, I was talking to an actual person within the hour, and he had the part shipped out within two hours.
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Out of those two... the warn.

I wouldn't highly suggest looking at Engo as well, very good quality and a very good price. Not as good as top of the line WARN stuff, but compared to the VR series... I would probably go Engo with all the frills. Mine's been wonderful, used the mechanical warranty about 2 years into ownership for a manufacturer defect (there was a "recall" out, I just didn't know) and I got the replacement part in a few days and it was a 10 minute repair. When I emailed customer service, I was talking to an actual person within the hour, and he had the part shipped out within two hours.
I would without question put ENGO's new ES line of winches on par with WARN's Zeon winches from the premium series. Again less than half the price, more efficient motor(less amp draw/load), and lifetime mechanical warranty.
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Can't speak much about the vr series from warn, but I have used the piss out of my Warn 9500 CTI without the slightest issue, but I also paid 1500 bucks for it. For a cheap winch I am sure the Engo would be fine, but when we spend thousands of dollars on wheels, tires, lifts, and armor do you really want a cheap winch? JMHOP. Good luck with whatever you choose.
Cheap is a relative term. Is it cheap because of MSRP, or because the parts used are actually cheaper? Can you say that Warn actually uses higher quality parts? Lots of people I wheel with have Warn's............they aren't built any better though.

The only area I found lacking on the ENGO winch was the power cables used. They are smaller. But could it be because they need a lot less current draw? I replaced mine with a larger 2 gauge set of power wires for 20 bucks(took 15 minutes)just to be sure.
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Cheap is a relative term. Is it cheap because of MSRP, or because the parts used are actually cheaper? Can you say that Warn actually uses higher quality parts? Lots of people I wheel with have Warn's............they aren't built any better though.

The only area I found lacking on the ENGO winch was the power cables used. They are smaller. But could it be because they need a lot less current draw? I replaced mine with a larger 2 gauge set of power wires for 20 bucks(took 15 minutes)just to be sure.
Do you have any proof that the Warn is not made any better? I see cheap just looking at an Engo. It just looks like junk, but hey as long as your happy with it, its all good. But like I said, I didn't spend all that money on my jeep just to skimp on the winch.
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Winches seem to be a lot like cars. A Ford guy hates Chevys and vice versa. We sure don't throw up a friendly wave to a geo tracker heading the other way. They might think its as bad ass as I think my Smittybilt is. To each is own. I think all the winches guys Are vouching for are awesome. I bet they would recommend them to family. That being said you will probably love the one you choose the first time it makes a bad day go good!
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I love winch threads. Great entertainment, and worth every penny of the yearly forum upgrade.
We will have to wait another 15 to 20 years to see if an Engo, Qtec, or VR series can stand the test of time. I've already gone through a HF, and a Smitty. Each only lasting about 2 years. At $300 a pop, I just couldn't waste anymore money on another cheap Chinese made winch.

So for the choices asked about in the first post, why would you not buy from an American company with a proven record of performance, reliability, and customer service? Of the choices given, the VR is a no brainer....JMHO.
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Do you have any proof that the Warn is not made any better? I see cheap just looking at an Engo. It just looks like junk, but hey as long as your happy with it, its all good. But like I said, I didn't spend all that money on my jeep just to skimp on the winch.
Engo is made in the U.S.A I dont think Ill buy another warn after my Warn one craps out.
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"I saw a picture and I think it looks like junk so it must be crap and what I think is right so I win."

Hundreds of great reviews out there for the Engo and it's still cheap Chinese stuff... well I guess the Chinese are good at making cheap stuff that works well! That's all folks. I love supporting USA companies but when the price difference doesn't equal a quality difference they need to step their game up. Engo is still based in the USA and I'll bet a good deal of the $ coming into that company is still coming back here, probably close that of Warn. Warn's smaller winches are made in Mexico or China, and with many of the same parts as everyone elses budget winches.

Honestly it's not a big deal, run what ya run, buy the BEST you can afford, and live your life.
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"I saw a picture and I think it looks like junk so it must be crap and what I think is right so I win."

Hundreds of great reviews out there for the Engo and it's still cheap Chinese stuff... well I guess the Chinese are good at making cheap stuff that works well! That's all folks. I love supporting USA companies but when the price difference doesn't equal a quality difference they need to step their game up. Engo is still based in the USA and I'll bet a good deal of the $ coming into that company is still coming back here, probably close that of Warn. Warn's smaller winches are made in Mexico or China, and with many of the same parts as everyone elses budget winches.

Honestly it's not a big deal, run what ya run, buy the BEST you can afford, and live your life.
Prob the best advice here.
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Engo is made in the U.S.A I dont think Ill buy another warn after my Warn one craps out.
Good for you. I will never buy a engo
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"I saw a picture and I think it looks like junk so it must be crap and what I think is right so I win."
Nope. I have always owned warn winches and they have never let me down. Not to mention they are American made. At least the Ultimate performance series is.
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Ive had a super winch thats been on my jeep for a while. I did a lot of research before i bought one. The only issue ive had is water getting inside the electrical compartment it didnt stop running though. i was winching myself out of a big hole and thought the gears sounded like they needed some grease. I popped the cap off to find water gush out after it pulled me out. I called super and they mailed me a new one with no hassle. I give those guys an A+++++++++ on customer service and standing behind their product. Ive checked the new one for the same issue with no problems.

But like one post said winches are like fords and chevy's. You could light my superwinch on fire and roll it down a hill and i still wouldnt trade it for an engo.
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All Engo winches are made in China, don't let their misleading "Engo USA" name fool you. Engo is nothing but an importer, they manufacture nothing.
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Honestly, after being subscribed to this for quite some time I think I'm going to go with 4wheel parts' Smittybilt XRC 8 package deal. $300 bucks vs $500-$600. On my budget, I can afford the nicer winch but I'd rather save what I don't spend for something like a super 35 kit. That's just my opinion, not trying to start anything lol
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Honestly, after being subscribed to this for quite some time I think I'm going to go with 4wheel parts' Smittybilt XRC 8 package deal. $300 bucks vs $500-$600. On my budget, I can afford the nicer winch but I'd rather save what I don't spend for something like a super 35 kit. That's just my opinion, not trying to start anything lol
Just a heads up; out of the handful of Smitty XRC8 winches I've been around, they all have had issues free spooling (among other things, but that is the most prevalent issue I've seen). Either they won't do it at all, or it's extremely hard to do.

Personally I love my Warn, but I'd rather have someone wheeling with me who has any winch than none at all. Of course that's kind of worthless if it doesn't work.

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