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Old 08-19-2013, 10:56 AM   #91
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Engo is made in the U.S.A I dont think Ill buy another warn after my Warn one craps out.
Unfortunately, I feel for the "ENGO USA" thing, thinking it was made in the USA, its not, its made in China like the others. However, I did get a good deal, though a forum vendor on a 10k with a 100' syth line and both wireless and remote controls.

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Rather than PM, I'll ask up front. Are your winches built 100% in the United States of America with all parts made from materials received from distributors/vendors that are ONLY from the United States of America? I ask so specifically because in this day and age it is very hard to make ANYTHING with multiple electronic parts 100% American.

I'm a 20 year veteran and appreciate buying American and do when I can. However, at the time I was making my purchase, the VR series equivalent was twice price and in a magazine comparo the Warn winch failed to finish. And I get it, oddball things happen to the best made products. But the $400 difference gave room for another mod. Some may say I'll have to replace this winch before I'd have to replace the equivalent Warn. Maybe, they have the same warranty. Maybe not. Like someone said earlier, only time will tell.

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Old 08-19-2013, 05:57 PM   #92
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Jerry, any problems with synthetic line and heat? I know surface temps here can get 150 degrees + during the summer, I imagine they would be even higher in some of the areas you wheel. Will that weaken the line appreciably?
The most heat from your winch will be when using the brake on the winch.

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Jerry, any problems with synthetic line and heat?
No, at least not in the usual winching uses. What generates heat in the kinds of winches we typically use is the brake which is only used when winching in the 'Out' direction, like if you were lowering a Jeep down a cliff.
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... and in a magazine comparo the Warn winch failed to finish.
Closer reading of that article will indicate the Warn winch in question was a 9.5xp which is rated to pull 9,500 lbs. It only failed once its load reached 16,500 lbs., over 170% of what it is rated for. Not that many of our winches will ever reach even their rated winching capacities, let alone over 1.7x their rated capacities.

Do you really consider a winch only rated to 9,500 lbs. making it all the way to 16,500 lbs. (1.7X higher than its rating) before it failed something to ding it on? I sure don't.
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After dealing with wire on winches years ago I can say it is much nicer to use the synthetic line. I have not had cause to really use mine yet but I have pulled up some small stumps and done some other stuff with it that would not have been much fun with wire. I also feel much better knowing that the synthetic line will not come flying back as a missile.
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Closer reading of that article will indicate the Warn winch in question was a 9.5xp which is rated to pull 9,500 lbs. It only failed once its load reached 16,500 lbs., over 170% of what it is rated for. Not that many of our winches will ever reach even their rated winching capacities, let alone over 1.7x their rated capacities.

Do you really consider a winch only rated to 9,500 lbs. making it all the way to 16,500 lbs. (1.7X higher than its rating) before it failed something to ding it on? I sure don't.
Jerry, now your going to test an old mans memory here. Unfair. I typically don't buy magazines as these days are more filled with subscription cards and advertisement pages than content. But this particular day found me walking the grocery store with the bride. Exciting stuff. While walking by the mag aisle, saw a 4x4 mag with big letters... Winch Workout or something silly like that. As I was in the market for one, I picked it up off the shelf, leafed to the good stuff. I recall the Engo did fail, but only after being submerged and asking it to work underwater. I don't know about many of you, but I don't know how often that I'll ask a piece of electronic equipment to perform submerged without the benefit of a watertight plastic case, which none of these had. I also recall the Warn won the comparo in that magazine, but it failed pulling it's Jeep up the designated hill cause it's a battery killer. Yes, yes, I know, keep yer engine running. I get that. But that means unless you have a high output alternator, you are stressing and sending to and early grave an alternator. Again, nickel and dime stuff, especially if it's only getting used a dozen times a year, but all things to consider in my opinion.

Warn won that battle, so why did I go with Engo? Well, for one, I thought Engo was also American made. Two, it was half the price and more battery friendly. Three, side by side, pound for pound in the tests, Engo held their own with a similar warranty.

I'm sure there are prolly dozens of winch wars thru the years across the magazines, each changing the testing field for slightly different results to change winners to keep in favor of one or another of big paying advertisers....
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When it comes down to it I think a decent winch,Engo,Ramsey etc will be just fine. Im a bit scarred since my warn which is supposed to be sealed,ended up getting water in the supposed "sealed" gear box.Props to Andy for sending me 2 gaskets but now I have a rusted gear assy.Just my .02
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When it comes down to it I think a decent winch,Engo,Ramsey etc will be just fine. Im a bit scarred since my warn which is supposed to be sealed,ended up getting water in the supposed "sealed" gear box.Props to Andy for sending me 2 gaskets but now I have a rusted gear assy.Just my .02
Look at this. Might make you feel better. At least yours still works
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/engo...al-263881.html
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Sorry to revive this, but I thought this would help NJO sleep at night. I just bought an Engo winch and put it on a hitch mount to winch out backwards or lend to a friend if need be. I'm very happy with the Warn. but we'll see how they compare.
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Unfortunately, I feel for the "ENGO USA" thing, thinking it was made in the USA, its not, its made in China like the others. However, I did get a good deal, though a forum vendor on a 10k with a 100' syth line and both wireless and remote controls.



Rather than PM, I'll ask up front. Are your winches built 100% in the United States of America with all parts made from materials received from distributors/vendors that are ONLY from the United States of America? I ask so specifically because in this day and age it is very hard to make ANYTHING with multiple electronic parts 100% American.
I notice there has not been an answer yet... Dealing with attorneys almost daily, I am not fooled by terms like (parts) "sourced from U.S. Manufacturers" or "assembled in the U.S.", which does not mean made in USA. Not to say that the product is not good, or that (at least part of) the sale profits don't remain in the U.S., but I'd like to know the truth about such things if it can be known.

4-wheeling since the 70s, the winch brands I know and trust have been Warn, Ramsey, Super Winch and Mile Marker. All of these brands back then were solely U.S. made. Not today. All have high-end products that are probably mostly made in the U.S., and lower-end products that are Chinese-sourced. Whether they’re assembled in Oregon, Oklahoma or Mexico, if the parts are Chinese-made, some money is going to China and the quality is suspect. I have no doubt that a Warn M8000 is a better winch than a VR8000 and has more U.S. content. That said, I think there are good Chinese winches out there and companies like Warn, Engo or Quadratrac can specify quality controls on their products from a Chinese winch manufacturer and deliver a better winch than what appears to be the exact same winch made for another company that does not care about QC. I think that's what you buy with a premium brand... Consistency, quality control and customer service.
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"Made in America" doesn't even mean that. Look it up. It's just a % of parts.

I can vouch for Engo on both quality and customer service. For the price it's the best option. If money isn't an issue get the Warn.

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