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Old 11-28-2011, 08:39 AM   #31
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I've said it a hundred times and I'll continue to say it--I was worried about the same thing, as I value the on-road qualities as much as anyone. Looking back, I laugh. The AR is only an improvement.

I've built my TJ to be the ultimate in double duty--anyone can build a great-performing trail rig, but can you build it to hold up well enough to drive it to and from the trail at 75mph with one hand on the wheel? To and from work the entire next week? That's what I enjoy doing just to show my confidence in the parts used and how it's set up. Without the AR, my ride on-road would be too bouncy/unpredictable (the stock sway bar is WAY TOO STIFF) and I wouldn't be wheeling where I do now.....no way in hell.

The stock sway bar is a hindrance. If you want to retain that handicap, go right ahead. If you're content on the bunny hills, you'll be happy with being disconnected. If you want to improve the rig and wheel where your particular tire size is a necessity, unbolt the stock sway bar and replace it with a proper torsion sway bar.

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A few here are over-thinking, over-worrying, and into a major state of over-analysis about whether or not an Antirock is "safe" or retains some kind of sportscar handling. Get over it, please. The TJ was no sportscar to begin with but it is still safe and you will laugh at yourself for such worry after installing an Antirock. Sheesh guys, don't over-think or over-worry about this. If you were happy with your TJ's handling before the Antirock, which means your shocks are fine, you'll be fine after installinga an Antirock. If you are too worried about having sportscar handling, you bought the wrong vehicle in the first place.

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I understand how an anti-rock would work better on the trail, but just wondering how it compares to being disconnected on a ramp? (I understand that ramp scores aren't as important, just trying to get a better idea of travel). My disco bushings are old and tired, and have been planning on upgrading.
2nd question... Lots of deer around here, on a dd, would you worry about losing control or flipping on a instinctive hard swerve at 45 mph with the anti-rock on it's loose setting?
Like mentioned above, you have nothing to worry about. I can't recall noticing any increased body roll after installing the AR. If your Jeep feels "uneasy" or scary to drive on-road after installing the AR than you need to fix your suspension.

I'm in PA and live in the sticks. Swerving at animals is the local past time around here; the past week in particular I've swerved to miss two deer, which usually isn't anything out of the norm except one was very close. I thought for sure I was going to pulverize a doe coming around a corner at 45MPH, and foolishly I swerved harder than I should have to the point of loosing traction on the road. The Jeep drifted around the corner a bit and I managed to miss the deer. The way some on here characterize the AR I should have flipped my Jeep performing such a maneuver.

I can assure you the AR will not degrade your handling on the road; if it does, you have suspension problems. I also have mine on the loosest setting; previously I had it on the second loosest but moved it back after my last wheeling trip and haven't touched it since.
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I have OME Nitrochargers and OME 4" lift springs, so the ride is pretty solid. Was just wondering about the swift maneuvers and saftey concerns. Sounds like I'm ok there.
How about on the ramp, would you score better disconnected or with the AR?
Ramp score?
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It's on my list of things to add over the winter. Hoping my Bestop High Rock bumper does not interfere.
It will. But it's an easy fix with a cut off wheel

I never get tired of reading this argument. Can't wait till Christmas
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Ramp score?
I think generally, the Jeep would score higher if disconnected, but a higher RTI score is not what the AR is engineered for. Simply put, the AR makes effective use of the Jeep's overall suspension in controlling body roll, especially in extreme off camber situations. I would never go back to disconnects despite the benefit of a higher RTI score.
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I think generally, the Jeep would score higher if disconnected, but a higher RTI score is not what the AR is engineered for. Simply put, the AR makes effective use of the Jeep's overall suspension in controlling body roll, especially in extreme off camber situations. I would never go back to disconnects despite the benefit of a higher RTI score.
I'm on my phone so I couldn't do a witty smiley. That was my point though, who actually cares about ramp score? Anyone can flex their junk to the point the springs pop out, which as we all know is completely pointless. What really matters is if the antirock inhibits usable flex, where the shocks have not maxed out travel and springs are still seated. I doubt though the antirock inhibits travel that much. Of course it also depends on how loose you set your antirock.
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Ramp score?
Like I had said in a previous post, I was just trying to get an idea of how far it limits travel. Thought there might have been a magazine article or something that showed it on the ramp with it connected and not. I'm not concerned with score. I understand the principal of how it works. I just figured that someone knew how much it limited droop, etc.
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Here is the section of the article you are referring to:

Despite the added control, the Anti-rock does allow a surprising amount of articulation. In one rockcrawler.com article the author quantifies the difference between fully disconnecting the swaybar and running the Anti-rock:
33.25" fully disconnected (20* RTI = 1050)
32.00" loosest Anti-rock setting (20* RTI = 1011)
31.25" firmest Anti-rock setting (20* RTI = 987)
As you can see, the "maximum articulation" is developed by fully disco'ing the swaybar but the Anti-rock still allows for significant flex while providing the handling benefits. Even at the firmest setting the you only give up 6% of your total flex for all the benefit. And at the looses setting? Less than 4%
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Here is the section of the article you are referring to:

Despite the added control, the Anti-rock does allow a surprising amount of articulation. In one rockcrawler.com article the author quantifies the difference between fully disconnecting the swaybar and running the Anti-rock:
33.25" fully disconnected (20* RTI = 1050)
32.00" loosest Anti-rock setting (20* RTI = 1011)
31.25" firmest Anti-rock setting (20* RTI = 987)
As you can see, the "maximum articulation" is developed by fully disco'ing the swaybar but the Anti-rock still allows for significant flex while providing the handling benefits. Even at the firmest setting the you only give up 6% of your total flex for all the benefit. And at the looses setting? Less than 4%
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Here is the link the above quote refers to (as in not the article the above was pulled from, but the actual article the numbers were quoted from):

ROCKCRAWLER.com

I wouldn't take everything they say about on-road handling too seriously though. Like I said, with a properly setup Jeep your on-road handling should not suffer.
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:26 PM   #42
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Circle track parts places offer splined sway bar stock in about any diameter (within reason). They also sell ends similar to the AR. I wonder about drilling a mount hole at the far rear end for trails, and shorter toward the bar (less leverage) for the street.

I cannot be the 1st one to have thought of that. Who has tried it?
Its crossed my mind, but I haven't looked into it any more. The discos work fine for me, but a dual rate seems to be the best option. The MM rear sway bar on my mustang looks pretty close to the AR.
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It's very similar to that Mustang bar.

People need to realize that there's nothing special about the design of the AntiRock. It's a very simple, common design that's just specialized for individual vehicles, namely the rear sway bar rate, and given a cool name. It's a torsion bar, that's it. You could build one almost identically from parts gathered around all kinds of different websites.

So, if you understand what's happening when articulating, then you'll understand exactly what the torsion bar is doing, especially with a second opposing sway bar on the other end.

FYI, if you really want a kickass setup, get the AR up front and in the rear. The rear AR has a stiffer rate than the stock sway bar so it'll improve the handling of the vehicle on the road and make for an even more balanced setup off.
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i would say it comes down to how much off roading you do and how much social status you to have . see if you never go off roading and add a anti rock to your jeep then it is purley a social status to look good and make peole think you must do crazy off roading. if this is the case or even like me only make it out when the finances allow its kinda pointless to get the anti rock to save you a few minutes.go with disconnects.but if you are a real off roader like i was until the wife and economic shut down then the anti rock is worth its weight in gold. i guess thinking about it it also depends on climates your in if you wheel alot in the cold or at night then the anti rock might be more proficiant not having to get out in the weather but for the once in a while wheeler and dd get the discos and save the money
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its kinda pointless to get the anti rock to save you a few minutes
You do realize that's not even the point of a torsion style sway bar, right? Just checkin. If that's all you're worried about, then you're probably not wheeling trails hard enough to require the gained stability of having a front sway bar. So at that point, it's not worth it.
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You do realize that's not even the point of a torsion style sway bar, right? Just checkin. If that's all you're worried about, then you're probably not wheeling trails hard enough to require the gained stability of having a front sway bar. So at that point, it's not worth it.
i understand what a torsion style does and the point yes. but if again you read my whole phrase thats kinda my point. i mean in all truth 2 jeep fully equiped the same exept the sway bar on anti and one disco. they will make it the same places. one needs more finess but with patients it will go.and as i stated most jeep owners arnt dedicated wheelers so to spend the money that isnt necesary is well not necasary. i would use the money at other locations and get everything else done to make it a true rock crawler before making this investment. that and i did say if you are a dedicated wheeler and spend alot of time in the tully's then all means the ati rock is WORTH IT WEIGHT IN GOLD.
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thanks everyone for putting my mind at ease on the anti rock. i think i'll be getting that for Christmas. some of the votes for the anti rock i counted as 2 because after being on here for a year and learning who i can trust. jerry's vote counted for 10. in my head the score was 29-7. thanks again everyone.
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These sure look like they'd be sweet!!!!

https://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/m...ar_Disconnects


A little pricey, but very kewl!!!!!!!


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These sure look like they'd be sweet!!!!

https://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/m...ar_Disconnects


A little pricey, but very kewl!!!!!!!


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Yes, I do like this concept. But, I cannot justify the price in my mind. I suppose they need to pay for the R&D, but in parts alone it seems high...

I think a big sale may push me to try one though, HINT HINT, JKS.
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A grand? Are you serious? I laugh in your face. Good luck selling that thing
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And I thought my SwayLOC was expensive at $495...
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:57 PM   #53
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Somehow I missed the link on the previous page, anyone know when Savvy comes out with their version of the AntiRock, and what improvements will be made,etc?
Anyone have the loose arm connection that the guy in the other forum had?
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Wow, that's just a bit much.

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Somehow I missed the link on the previous page, anyone know when Savvy comes out with their version of the AntiRock, and what improvements will be made,etc?
Unfortunately no, they keep new products pretty much under wraps these days because of the hounding they get if they don't.

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Anyone have the loose arm connection that the guy in the other forum had?
Going to have to be more specific; not sure what guy/post you're referring to.
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Wow, that's just a bit much.

Unfortunately no, they keep new products pretty much under wraps these days because of the hounding they get if they don't.

Going to have to be more specific; not sure what guy/post you're referring to.
Lupinsea, from the link to "Max flex vs Useful Flex and the AntiRock" thread on Jeep Forum. He complained about the arms being loose on the splines, etc. Just didn't know if that was still a problem or if that was something Currie fixed.
I'm sold on getting one, I just figure I'll buy it after Christmas, then the new one from Savvy will come out...
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Lupinsea, from the link to "Max flex vs Useful Flex and the AntiRock" thread on Jeep Forum. He complained about the arms being loose on the splines, etc. Just didn't know if that was still a problem or if that was something Currie fixed.
Gotcha; I haven't heard of any other cases of that personally. If you would ever have that kind of problem I'd call Currie and talk with them; in the past they've always been great at making things right. If this was a real problem (meaning with all AR systems) I'm sure you'd be seeing threads about this all over the internet; the Anti-Rock is a very popular product.

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I'm sold on getting one, I just figure I'll buy it after Christmas, then the new one from Savvy will come out...
Tell me about it; I was originally holding out for their system. But one weekend in particular my sway bar kept repeatedly falling down and annoying me at Rausch Creek; the minute I got home I ordered up an AR system. I figured if Savvy comes out with something that has some feature I have to have I can always sell the AR. I only wish I had gotten it sooner; the AR is definitely worth the money.
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He complained about the arms being loose on the splines, etc. Just didn't know if that was still a problem or if that was something Currie fixed.
I've had two different Currie Antirocks on two different TJs and neither had tha problem. Not to mention the torsion bar and arms are splined where they connect so it's not like they can slip. But so far as tightness goes, never had a problem with that at all.
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The "arms being loose on the splines" is simply an issue of the owner not practicing preventative maintenance. After every wheeling trip or ~3k miles, you need to check the end bolts to make sure they haven't loosened. That's it, it takes all of 1 minute to do. If you let the bolts remain loose for long enough, the bar splines will wear the spline cuts in the arms, which will allow unwanted play.
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I've had two different Currie Antirocks on two different TJs and neither had tha problem. Not to mention the torsion bar and arms are splined where they connect so it's not like they can slip. But so far as tightness goes, never had a problem with that at all.
That's good. I thought I'd ask, because he started that thread, then later said he saw 7 (I think) other ones that had the same problem. No one chimed in and said otherwise. Its an older thread, so i didn't know if it was something that used to be a problem that they fixed. Then he went to the "SwayLoc". I like the simplicity of the AntiRock. Actually, I like simplicity period. Set it and forget it... I noticed you said in that thread that you might go to the SwayLoc, did you ever try it?
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The "arms being loose on the splines" is simply an issue of the owner not practicing preventative maintenance. After every wheeling trip or ~3k miles, you need to check the end bolts to make sure they haven't loosened. That's it, it takes all of 1 minute to do. If you let the bolts remain loose for long enough, the bar splines will wear the spline cuts in the arms, which will allow unwanted play.
I'm nuts about maintenance, so that's good to know. He made it seem like there was nothing you could do about it. I'd bet that most of the "It's not running right" threads are from bad or no maintenance, especially with the 4.0.

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