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Old 08-20-2013, 11:25 AM   #1
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Apples To Apples ??? I Don't Think So !

When I test drove a TJ about 2 weeks ago, I was considering using my truck as a trade-in.

The clown (I'm sorry, the salesman) attempted to place a value on my truck, using Kelly Blue Book.

Then he informed me that the value of the Jeep was derived, NOT from Kelly Blue Book, but, instead from N.A.D.A.

When I informed him that that was comparing APPLES to ORANGES, he started mentioning that there were dealer's fees, etc.

He's missing the point.
Compare both vehicles, using either Kelly Blue Book, or compare both vehicles using N.A.D.A. I don't care which one you use, but use the same book for both vehicles.

Needless to say, the Jeep was way, overly priced. So, due to this and a few other issues with the Jeep, I walked away from it.

I'm sure that there are a lot of honest, hard working people that just want to make an honest living by selling you a car, but obviously, this guy isn't one of them.

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i guess i missed the question

what was the price of the jeep? any links?

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i guess i missed the question

what was the price of the jeep? any links?
I didn't post a question.
I just wanted him to compare both vehicles, using the same book.

Here is the link -
JEEP WRANGLER 2000 4X4

The asking price was $12,995.
If I were paying cash, the price would drop to $9,750.



When I checked the vehicle out, I found that :
  • the rear main seal was leaking;
  • the dash lights did not work;
  • the "shift position" lights did not work;
  • the radio antenna was missing;
  • the bar that goes into the rear window of the soft top was missing; &
  • the tires on the passenger side were in pretty good shape, whereas
  • the drivers side tires would need to be replaced soon.
(Since the dash lights AND the shifting position lights were both out, the problem would probably be just a common fuse.)

Maybe it's just me, but for that kind of money, I would expect the vehicle to be in a little better shape.


The body was in great shape. The only rust I saw was on the muffler. (To be expected.) It ran really well.

But almost $13K for a 2000 TJ? To me, that's a little too much.
If I'm off base with this, please let me know.
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hahahaha, first off that ad is awesome. love the "GO OFFROAD" advertising.

I agree, not sure how many miles it has, but even low miles, thats a lot for a pretty stock TJ. Seems like a used car lot paid too much for a vehicle that they didnt know about and are trying to make a buck. i had the opposite where they paid too little and i got a steal
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hahahaha, first off that ad is awesome. love the "GO OFFROAD" advertising.

I agree, not sure how many miles it has, but even low miles, thats a lot for a pretty stock TJ. Seems like a used car lot paid too much for a vehicle that they didnt know about and are trying to make a buck. i had the opposite where they paid too little and i got a steal
I'm sorry.
I forgot to post the miles.
106,xxx.
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The guy told me that the way they arrived at $9750 was that that was the price that they sold the last Jeep for.
Hello?
Was the other Jeep equipped the same as this one? The same year? Miles? Wear & tear?
By that line of reasoning, all Jeeps, no matter what condition they are in, no matter how many miles, etc. they should all be priced the same.
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Oh, by the way, it also had the lockable TUFFY console that was locked, and they didn't have a key to it.
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Take your time. There are plenty of Jeeps in good condition in the houston area
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Is that add not in English? Way overpriced for that Jeep if everything was perfect on it I wouldn't pay more than $8500, NADA my Butt!
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Take your time. There are plenty of Jeeps in good condition in the houston area
Great advice....i was on this site every other day asking questions and discouraged about what I was finding. And then i tried a new approach...patience. It was only then that i scored (in my opinion) a 1997 for $6500. It was under my budget, a little older than i would have liked but in great overall shape. I had $10k burning a hole in my pocket and for that reason was willing to buy the first thing that looked good. Fortunately, the guys on this site talked me down a time or two and as mentioned, i ended up with a jeep that works for me at a price that works for my family.
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Just a thought also, I tried selling my 2004 F250 outright, with the intent to use the cash from the sell to buy a used Jeep. When I didn't get any fair offers on my truck after 2 months, I changed the listing in Craig's list to Trade for Jeep. Within a week I had 3 fair even trade offers. Don't know if that is a viable option for you.
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Take your time. There are plenty of Jeeps in good condition in the houston area
Great advice....i was on this site every other day asking questions and discouraged about what I was finding. And then i tried a new approach...patience. It was only then that i scored (in my opinion) a 1997 for $6500. It was under my budget, a little older than i would have liked but in great overall shape. I had $10k burning a hole in my pocket and for that reason was willing to buy the first thing that looked good. Fortunately, the guys on this site talked me down a time or two and as mentioned, i ended up with a jeep that works for me at a price that works for my family.
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I've decided to keep my truck (2002 Ford super crew cab) for a while longer.
I'm still going to get a Jeep, but, like y'all said, PATIENCE.
I'll have my Jeep soon.
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definitely sounds like a rip off, I found my jeep 2001 tj with 57k miles and a ton of upgrades that the previous owner did. Tuffy trunk lock box didn't have keys but was unlocked, it needs a new soft top and one of the a/c selector knobs is missing. got it for $10k
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Wow. thats expensive for a 2000 non rubicon tj. My 04 rubi was only 11k
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There are plenty of places in Tx where decent Jeeps can be had at decent prices by decent dealers. Even more if you don't mind driving a few hours.
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That 2000 TJ that I test drove even had a 3" body lift. I don't know the brand of the lift. I'll post pictures of the lift and the leaking rear main seal tomorrow evening.
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There are plenty of places in Tx where decent Jeeps can be had at decent prices by decent dealers. Even more if you don't mind driving a few hours.
Lindel,
I don't mind having to drive a few hours to find a good Jeep.
Spend a few hours now, driving to find a good Jeep, rather than not, regretting it later, wishing that you did.
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That 2000 TJ that I test drove even had a 3" body lift. I don't know the brand of the lift. I'll post pictures of the lift and the leaking rear main seal tomorrow evening.
Leaking rear main seals seem to be a jeep staple. Nearly every jeep I looked at had a leaking rear main seal among various other problems. Which is why I finally gave up looking for a private party sale and went to a big dealer.

I gave them a list of things I wanted fixed if they wanted to make the sale (one of which was the rear main seal). They fixed them, I took the car home and had a horrendous case of death wobble about halfway back. Took it back (three separate times) and they eventually replaced nearly the whole front end and all 4 tires and fixed the problem.

Nearly all dealers play with the valuations on trade-in's versus sales. But IMO there is definitely a major advantage to dealing with a reputable dealership and paying a little bit more.
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Dont buy someones elses problems.... Used car salesman suck.
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Glad to see you called the shmuck (saleman) out on it. Yes, that is way too much to pay for it. Like the others said, be patient and keep looking.
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Definitely take your time, Found mine for $8500.....
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Lindel,
I don't mind having to drive a few hours to find a good Jeep.
Spend a few hours now, driving to find a good Jeep, rather than not, regretting it later, wishing that you did.

Take a look at Collins Bros Jeep then.

www.collinsbrosjeep.com

They always have a nice selection of premium Jeeps. Prices to match, but worth it. They're good people to work with.
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Is that add not in English?

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Take a look at Collins Bros Jeep then.

www.collinsbrosjeep.com

They always have a nice selection of premium Jeeps. Prices to match, but worth it. They're good people to work with.

Infinity expensive.

If I were to do it again, I'd have had one similar to the orange one from http://www.jeepwest.com/inventory.php shipped to me.

15K Needs some work for trailing -- rip out tranny drop + new drive shaft seems to be the main need.
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My pictures of the leaking rear main seal didn't turn out so good. But you can see from the 2 that did come out, you can see the oil accumulating all around the bottom of the pan.

The picture of the 3" lift came out really well.
I know that this was 3 inches, because I measured it.

BTW, anyone know what brand that lift is?
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It's just a body lift. Brand could be any and does not really matter
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My pictures of the leaking rear main seal didn't turn out so good. But you can see from the 2 that did come out, you can see the oil accumulating all around the bottom of the pan.

The picture of the 3" lift came out really well.
I know that this was 3 inches, because I measured it.

BTW, anyone know what brand that lift is?
I wouldn't get it just because of that huge body lift. And u sure that's a rear main leak cuz the pics are of the transmission pan usually uc the rear main leaks right at the back of the oil Pan not that far back

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