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Old 07-01-2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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For the first time today, my Wrangler and I were able to assist someone in distress. A 4Runner had buried himself in sand at the exit to the beach. Three guys were outside digging around the tires with whatever they could find, pushing, etc. With a quick tug from the TJ, they were easily freed.

I did make the driver connect the tow strap on his end - I didn't want to be responsible for (or accused of) damage if I connected it 'wrong'.

Is there any etiquette I should be aware of? I did manage to NOT say, "nothing else is a Jeep"!

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As long as they thank you there's no reason to rub it in. You did that when you pulled him out.

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Way to be a nice guy and not a jerk. Now maybe he will always think of the nice guy in the Tj who saved him everytime he sees one.

You did good letting him hook it up. Unless you know the person well let them do it. Make sure they are comfortable with whatever tugging technique your using. And start with a solid tug before you try to use the kinetic rope type pull or leave any slack in the line.
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Let him hook it up but I would still personally inspect the rigging for safety. Don't want an object inadvertently flying towards your rig or you.
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You did good letting him hook it up. Unless you know the person well let them do it. Make sure they are comfortable with whatever tugging technique your using. And start with a solid tug before you try to use the kinetic rope type pull or leave any slack in the line.
I view it differently. I get called upon to rescue the silly folks from behind Canyon Lake pretty often. I discuss what I'm going to do, what I want them to do and then get their permission to do my attachments with the caveat that I know what I'm doing, but damage is still possible and it's on them if it happens. If there is any dissension, I let them find another way out of the stuck.

I do it that way for several reasons. I'm better at it than they are. It's my recovery gear and I don't want my strap looped around a sharp edge that will hinder the recovery and or damage my equipment.

Everyone else is welcome to do it however they like, but those are the reasons why I do it my way.
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I view it differently. I get called upon to rescue the silly folks from behind Canyon Lake pretty often. I discuss what I'm going to do, what I want them to do and then get their permission to do my attachments with the caveat that I know what I'm doing, but damage is still possible and it's on them if it happens. If there is any dissension, I let them find another way out of the stuck.

I do it that way for several reasons. I'm better at it than they are. It's my recovery gear and I don't want my strap looped around a sharp edge that will hinder the recovery and or damage my equipment.

Everyone else is welcome to do it however they like, but those are the reasons why I do it my way.
Oh I understand and agree with you. I don't mean let them hook it up stupidly. If I am pulling I'm gona pay attention and make sure I'm comfortable with it as well. But if they stick it the same place I was going to, then they did what I would have done without me having to touch it.

Your method makes perfect sense to me though.
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:42 PM   #7
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If pulling them out of mud I think proper etiquette is to cover as much of their vehicle in mud as you pull them out. Oh and they are required to drag the rope through the muck.
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Turned down an opportunity today. I'm done helping people who take their 2wd trucks an SUVs into areas clearly marked "4wd only" on the beach. I'm not sure what part of the sign they couldn't read. I stood by (literally) and watched while two guys first tried a tow chain (couldn't attach it to his OWN truck) then a strap. They settled on using both, attached to each other. All while burning about 3 gallons of diesel in an F250 with fancy chrome wheels and low-profile tires. Couldn't be involved in that disaster.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:15 PM   #9
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I did make the driver connect the tow strap on his end - I didn't want to be responsible for (or accused of) damage if I connected it 'wrong'.
I agree you should hook to your rig and they should hook to theirs.

If you're using a winch you should run the cable, setting up for an angled pull or whatever, but they should attach to their rig.

You should look at how they are doing it to prevent damage to your gear, but they are responsible for making the attachment. If you don't like it ask them to change it but let them do it.

Especially if the attachment point is submerged in water or mud.
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Turned down an opportunity today. I'm done helping people who take their 2wd trucks an SUVs into areas clearly marked "4wd only" on the beach. I'm not sure what part of the sign they couldn't read. I stood by (literally) and watched while two guys first tried a tow chain (couldn't attach it to his OWN truck) then a strap. They settled on using both, attached to each other. All while burning about 3 gallons of diesel in an F250 with fancy chrome wheels and low-profile tires. Couldn't be involved in that disaster.
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One of the guys on a local forum had a lawyer write up a letter that had to be signed by the stuck person.

(someone REALLY screwed him after he did all that he could to help them out)
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I completely disagree with letting them hook up their end on their own unless you know for a fact that they know what they are doing. I would never pull someone out unless they had proper recovery points. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.
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One of the guys on a local forum had a lawyer write up a letter that had to be signed by the stuck person.

(someone REALLY screwed him after he did all that he could to help them out)
can we see a copy?
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yeah i'd imagine paper is the only way to prove it. Just cause someone verbally gave you permission they could still try to convince the police that they didn't and I'm sure his buddies would join in leaving you FUBARed
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Turned down an opportunity today. I'm done helping people who take their 2wd trucks an SUVs into areas clearly marked "4wd only" on the beach. I'm not sure what part of the sign they couldn't read. I stood by (literally) and watched while two guys first tried a tow chain (couldn't attach it to his OWN truck) then a strap. They settled on using both, attached to each other. All while burning about 3 gallons of diesel in an F250 with fancy chrome wheels and low-profile tires. Couldn't be involved in that disaster.
I don't blame you. I refuse to help out idiots. If they are too stupid to realize that their 2 wheel drive truck/suv/car/van wasn't going to make it out there then they are stupid enough to blame you for all sorts of stuff after you snatch them. I am from Wilmington NC and I couldn't tell you the number of times I have just whipped around stuck idiots on the beach and shook my head. A couple summers back (before everyone had to pay) I saw 2 women with WAY out of state tags, buried to the axles in a mini van full of kids just off the ramp onto the north part of Carolina Beach. My Dad suggested we stop and help (for the children's sake) so as I slowed down I could hear them griping about how stupid North Carolina was for not further paving the road and "packing the sand" whatever that meant. Needless to say I didn't help.

Those women drove right past 2 LARGE signs saying 4 Wheel Drive ONLY and about 15 vehicles either airing down tires or locking hubs...

If I see people doing everything "right" yet just made an error in judgement, or someone with good recovery points I may help. But I learned my lesson YEARS ago by sweating and busting butt to help un-thankful A-HOLES that were just stuck again in 30 minutes.
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I learned to drive offroad (toyota tacoma and jeep wrangler) in sand. 26 miles of it along the WA coast.

I cant tell you how many stuck vehicles I drove by right at the end of the pavement. I would just veer off the side before the pavement ended (in the really deep stuff) and pass them by with a smile. I know, Im rude. But you all called it - they are unprepared idiots!

My jeep had a winch. If guys flagged me down because they needed a pull, they were really sucking it up...cuz I'm a girl!!

The one thing I would refuse to do was make money off the tourists. The locals would charge $50-100 to pull them out. And that was back in the 90s!
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I figure I've asked for help about as often as I've been asked for help...so I try to avoid snobbery.

If Im in the process of helping and the person being helped demonstrates an unappreciative attitude I generally try to cajole him out of it. I know the frustration of having to ask for help can get me cranky too.

If it seems his attitutde is more chronic than acute. I tell him he's an ass. and I leave.

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yeah i'd imagine paper is the only way to prove it. Just cause someone verbally gave you permission they could still try to convince the police that they didn't and I'm sure his buddies would join in leaving you FUBARed

You could always break out the iphone or other video equipped cell and video their permission. Everyone seems to have video capability these days in their front pocket.

Why not use it!
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My first trip up the beach in myTJ,7 tows in 1 day.4 were Jap tourists in L/cruisers with no idea about front hubs/airdown/shift into 4wd. 1 was a Patrol loaded with 2 families(and dogs),2 Subarus.What a day...
Then there was the time I tried to tow a fellow broken down in traffic,he decides to ride the brakes,fearing running over my snatchem strap.I unhooked him where he was,left with a doughy clutch....my lesson learnt.
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You could always break out the iphone or other video equipped cell and video their permission. Everyone seems to have video capability these days in their front pocket.

Why not use it!
I travel a lot. Whenever I rent a car, I video the walk-around and make sure I get the car-guy in at least part of the shot. Delete it later.
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My first trip up the beach in myTJ,7 tows in 1 day.4 were Jap tourists in L/cruisers with no idea about front hubs/airdown/shift into 4wd. 1 was a Patrol loaded with 2 families(and dogs),2 Subarus.What a day...
Then there was the time I tried to tow a fellow broken down in traffic,he decides to ride the brakes,fearing running over my snatchem strap.I unhooked him where he was,left with a doughy clutch....my lesson learnt.
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Turned down an opportunity today. I'm done helping people who take their 2wd trucks an SUVs into areas clearly marked "4wd only" on the beach.
Can't say I differ. The last lady I helped out thought "all trucks were 4WD". I'll help if no one is around, or if it's close closing time, but for the most part I stay out of the heavy situations. They all eventually get out anyway. Generally I just fish on.
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Hey IslandTJ, remember when we found these kids in the woods? This was a very easy trail but it was very wet and the driver was not to sharp. They were there about an hour before we found them and Island set them upright. We would have been major assholes to leave them there like that.
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LOL, good times. It's ok to be nice and help, I would appreciate it myself - if caught in a similar scenario.
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in the 2 months ive had my jeep, ive pulled out 3 people. all at the entrance of the beach. im a firm believer of karma. if im able to help, i will.
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Turned down an opportunity today. I'm done helping people who take their 2wd trucks an SUVs into areas clearly marked "4wd only" on the beach. I'm not sure what part of the sign they couldn't read. I stood by (literally) and watched while two guys first tried a tow chain (couldn't attach it to his OWN truck) then a strap. They settled on using both, attached to each other. All while burning about 3 gallons of diesel in an F250 with fancy chrome wheels and low-profile tires. Couldn't be involved in that disaster.
They still make 2WD trucks? Almost rarely seen in Iowa.
Anyway, yeah, most people seem to think they can push on through where they can't because they have 4WD and/or a lot of horsepower and no proper tires nor a bit of finesse. Most 4WD vehicles come with highway tread tires, and with aftermarket bling tires, forget it.

I make sure everything is explained and usually make them put in in neutral for the first try. Had my bumper hit once because they didn't know when to stop after they got loose. I had to stop, and they kept coming.
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I don't blame you. I refuse to help out idiots. If they are too stupid to realize that their 2 wheel drive truck/suv/car/van wasn't going to make it out there then they are stupid enough to blame you for all sorts of stuff after you snatch them. I am from Wilmington NC and I couldn't tell you the number of times I have just whipped around stuck idiots on the beach and shook my head. A couple summers back (before everyone had to pay) I saw 2 women with WAY out of state tags, buried to the axles in a mini van full of kids just off the ramp onto the north part of Carolina Beach. My Dad suggested we stop and help (for the children's sake) so as I slowed down I could hear them griping about how stupid North Carolina was for not further paving the road and "packing the sand" whatever that meant. Needless to say I didn't help.

Those women drove right past 2 LARGE signs saying 4 Wheel Drive ONLY and about 15 vehicles either airing down tires or locking hubs...

If I see people doing everything "right" yet just made an error in judgement, or someone with good recovery points I may help. But I learned my lesson YEARS ago by sweating and busting butt to help un-thankful A-HOLES that were just stuck again in 30 minutes.
I'm in Kure, & yeah I've seen a lot of the exact same things...I don't get it. Knock on wood, I've never been stuck in the Jeep, & the only time I've ever been stuck myself was in my previous truck during a vain attempt to pull a vehicle that had it's 4wd go out up on Ft. Fisher. A good samaritan helped me out then, so for that reason I'll continue to try to help folks that just got themselves in a bind through mechanical woes, a little "oops", or just bad luck, but my patience for ignorant stupidity (2wd, low profile / bald steet tires, general lack of common sense) wears a little thin.

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