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Old 06-15-2014, 02:31 PM   #1
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Have a 2004 with the stock CD head unit. I want to replace it with a Digital Media Unit as I don't use CD's anymore. Is this a Single or Double Din unit I have ?


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Also, would like to stay around $150 to do this.
I'm thinking the PioneerMVHX560BT
Will be upgrading stock Speakers next.
I don't run an Amp and don't want to.
I do have the Center Console Sub.
Any feedback would help.

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ours is neither a single or a double din, its in between, what you need is a single din replacement and the mounting kit will have a bezel that fills in the open space

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I just replaced the same 2004 factory head unit with a digital media reciever.
My CD player was toast due to all the dust and other fun stuff associated with Jeepin.
Got it at Crutchfield.com. I got everything I needed. Face plate, antenna adapter, and wiring harness. It was the cheapest one they have. $59 IIRC. Works like a champ. I have Factory sub too.

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Old 06-15-2014, 04:31 PM   #4
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Another Question I have is will Polk Audio db521's fit in my Dash as well as my Pod's ?
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Type you vehicle info into Crutchfield and find the best unit for your price range. Their service is excellent and they include everything for an easy install
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Another Question I have is will Polk Audio db521's fit in my Dash as well as my Pod's ?
The stock TJ dash speaker size is 4x6. 5.25 will fit with an adapter, such as the one made by Nalin or the copycats.

I assume you are not talking about the soundbar when you say "pods". I don't want to guess which pods you mean. Are they the rear pods or the front pods over the rear view mirror? The front pods I believe are 5.25 and the rear pods are 6.5, but it depends on which pods and manufacturer.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:51 PM   #7
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I've heard a bunch of people mention using db521's and on Crutchfields site is says the don't fit.
I have Pods, Dash and Sub in my Jeep. They recommend DB461's for Dash and 525's for the Pods.
The 525's are 190 bucks a pair !
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:58 PM   #8
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Rear overhead sound pods. Sorry
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:02 PM   #9
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So I Can use a 5.25 in the dash with the Nalin adapter?
The reason I ask is that the sound is more even with the same size speaker all the way around.
True or false ?
I'm not opposed to using 4x6's in the dash.
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You don't want to use 4x6 in the dash. Even if the sound quality was equal, Chrysler decided to use their own mount points which are not normally found on your average 4x6.

Check sonicelectronix.com as well, they always seem to have the best prices available
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The 7 speaker factory subwoofer system has separate tweeters in the dash above the speakers. That is why they call it a 7 speaker system, not 5. I have pioneers in my sound pods, but still running stock in the dash. I'm old so it's plenty good for my needs! Lol
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So I Can use a 5.25 in the dash with the Nalin adapter?
The reason I ask is that the sound is more even with the same size speaker all the way around.
True or false ?
I'm not opposed to using 4x6's in the dash.
True. But, you are heading down a very slippery slope even bringing up the question. You definitely don't want the 4x6 speakers. 5.25 is a definite improvement.

Most sites will say that the 5.25 won't fit because you would need modification, such as the Nalin adapter, since 5.25 isn't the standard size.

The Nalin manufacturer is a Wrangler Forum Vendor. You can find his thread below, along with part info, contact info, reviews, etc.

TJ 5.25 Speaker Adapters - NalinMFG

"NalinMFG™ 97-06 Jeep Wrangler speaker adapters will fit any 5.25" speaker"

Nalin Manufacturer Ebay listing is here with more part specific information.

Nalinmfgâ„¢ Jeep TJ LJ 4"x6" to 5 25" Speaker Adapters | eBay
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:31 PM   #13
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This is what is in my Dash now. I'm assuming that's why it's a 7 speaker system.


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Thanks for the link Chas.
I know i opened the can of worms on this one. Lol
Just wanted some solid info before stuff shows up on my doorstep. Know what I mean ?
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Rear overhead sound pods. Sorry
Are you talking about stock or aftermarket? Rear overhead speakers sound like the soundbar to me. If it is aftermarket then, do you have a picture or model number of the pods? It's good to be very accurate in providing you information. It would be horrible if someone were to tell you a certain size for your rear speakers, and you buy them and they won't fit.
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Thanks for the link Chas.
I know i opened the can of worms on this one. Lol
Just wanted some solid info before stuff shows up on my doorstep. Know what I mean ?
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work out that easily. You might be better served if you shoot for stuff not showing up on your doorsteps three or four times. lol.

The reason being is that once you start upgrading that audio system, you normally find that something isn't quite right, and you buy something else.
It's really good therefore to do your research thoroughly, and still you might find things showing up again, on your doorstep. It was three times for me.

The first time, I brought the dreaded 4x6 speakers and then I realized how crappy they were and upgraded to the 5.25 speakers with the speaker adapters. That was the second time, new things showed up on my doorstep.

And yep, there was a third time too. lol.

It just happens with these audio system upgrades. YOu will find it all over this website. It's kind of an R&D thing.
(Research and Development)
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Okay, so you are saying that it is stock and that Jeep changed the standard 97-02 soundbar in 2004? It does look stock with the lights mounted in the pods, and it looks like the 5.25 speaker size. I haven't heard any different size in the rear speakers until the JK's went to 6.5. But, they went 6.5 front and rear, for balance, as you mentioned. Again, a very slippery slope. lol.
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Well, the way I see it is my Factory system is almost good enough or probably was 10 years ago. I just want a bit more Clarity and volume.
I don't want to get into Amps and Crossovers and all that crap.
I have been in many Bands and my hearing is shot to hell anyway. Plus, unless you go Big you can't hear Crap in a Jeep with the top and Doors off anyway.
Just want a bit more for not much $ and not worry about it being something some Punk Ass will recognize and want to Boost from me. Lol
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Yeah, they went from a Sound Bar to Sound Pods. It's Stock
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This is what is in my Dash now. I'm assuming that's why it's a 7 speaker system.


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I think that when they say the 7 speaker system, they are talking about the JK speaker system with the tweeters above the dash. My understanding is that 4 speakers and a subwoofer is a 4.1 system. 6 speakers and a subwoofer, is a 6.1 system.

Yes, the picture you are showing looks like a 4.1 system. The dash speakers are basically 4x6 speakers. You can use the Nalin adapters to make them 5.25. The 5.25 speakers are better because the woofer/midrange cone is larger, which gives fuller, bigger sound. Especially in the lower frequency ranges.
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Yeah, they went from a Sound Bar to Sound Pods. It's Stock
Yeah, I thought so, thanks.
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Well, the way I see it is my Factory system is almost good enough or probably was 10 years ago. I just want a bit more Clarity and volume.
I don't want to get into Amps and Crossovers and all that crap.
I have been in many Bands and my hearing is shot to hell anyway. Plus, unless you go Big you can't hear Crap in a Jeep with the top and Doors off anyway.
Just want a bit more for not much $ and not worry about it being something some Punk Ass will recognize and want to Boost from me. Lol
I see. But, if you want more Clarity and Volume, that is exactly what you will need, amps with built-in crossovers and/or speakers with crossovers. Some coaxial aftermarket 5.25 speakers do come with crossovers, which improvement the clarity. Amps improve the clarity by reducing the distortion(%THD).

It depends on how much Clarity and Volume you want. You will not get very much more volume with just a new Headunit. But, you might get a tiny bit more clarity over the stock HU.

For more volume, you need an amp. A headunit, nor speakers will give you more volume.

A new HU and new speakers will likely be an improvement over the stock system and give you slightly better clarity, but not volume. Although, you might be able to turn up the music slightly more without it sounding as bad as the stock HU. So, in that affect, you might get more volume.
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Have a 2004 with the stock CD head unit. I want to replace it with a Digital Media Unit as I don't use CD's anymore. Is this a Single or Double Din unit I have ?


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Also, would like to stay around $150 to do this.
I'm thinking the PioneerMVHX560BT
Will be upgrading stock Speakers next.
I don't run an Amp and don't want to.
I do have the Center Console Sub.
Any feedback would help.
The din size is actually 1.5. Very few aftermarket radios have that din size, and your particular mount is rounded, so its more difficult for standard 1.5 din radios to fit. Since there is such a small aftermarket 1.5 din radio selection, most people install single din radios in that 1.5 mount with an aftermarket installation kit to make it look professional.

I personally don't really like the Pioneer. Without a CD player, I look for other options. Aux-in is one important option, and SD Card is another good option. USB is good for flashdrives, if you have a female slot in the front. This particular radio has none of these. No front female slot for a flashdrive, no SD Card, and no front AUX-in. It does have a rear slot and it does come with the USB cable, but I don't like it, personally.

If you have an Android, USB is useless(except for charging). You need Aux-in. The USB cable can short out or pull loose in the back, and then its a mess, pulling out your stereo, or trying to stick your hands behind the radio to plug it back in. If the cable shorts out in the front USB slot, you just replace the cable without pulling out the entire radio. So, I look fro front USB and front Aux-in, at least. An SD Card slot is good too.

I also like the CD player, personally. I agree that I don't use it anymore myself. But, I have had a friend want me to hear their CD, or want to play it on my audio system. Or, you might have purchased a CD and haven't ripped it yet. A built-in CD player is good novelty to have for those rare moments. It is a digital media player just like the rest of them. This is different from the obsolete Analog players like Cassettes and 8-tracks.

You can browse Crutchfield here and they have a awesome selection of radios in your price range with tons of reviews for research.

I also look for a detachable face. This is critical radio security to me. Even if you have a $100 radio that you don't mind replacing. Once, the thief smashes your dash and smashes your window, or cuts your top or plastic glass, and gets glass all over your seat, it is more like a $400-500 dollar repair. Plus, the violation of your property does not feel good.
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I have this head unit: http://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-MP151...nsen++mp1516bt
With 4 of these speakers and Nalin brackets for dash: Kicker 40CS54 5-1/4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

I had the stock sub and was really happy with the sound, but my sub got blown when I was out of town last week so now I'm looking for replacements. If your sub works I would'nt bother replacing it. Now I'm affraid I'll have to run an amp if I replace my sub. I'll probably replace it with this:Amazon.com: Kicker COMPVT65 6.5Inch Subwoofer 4 Ohm: Electronics
If anyone can tell me if this matches with the rest of my setup that would be great! will I need an amp?
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I wanted the Sony that has the Tray that stores the iPod inside but every review I've read says it overheats the iPod and I live in AZ. Where it's 115 degrees in the summer so that won't work for me. I need a unit that will be affordable and play my iPod and an SD card would be great. That's all my requirements other than I would love it to have the option for a Green display to match my interior lighting.
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I have this head unit: http://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-MP151...nsen++mp1516bt
With 4 of these speakers and Nalin brackets for dash: Kicker 40CS54 5-1/4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

I had the stock sub and was really happy with the sound, but my sub got blown when I was out of town last week so now I'm looking for replacements. If your sub works I would'nt bother replacing it. Now I'm affraid I'll have to run an amp if I replace my sub. I'll probably replace it with this:Amazon.com: Kicker COMPVT65 6.5Inch Subwoofer 4 Ohm: Electronics
If anyone can tell me if this matches with the rest of my setup that would be great! will I need an amp?
I run that sub in my Jeep. You will need an amp to run it, the factory amp is garbage. You will also need to do some cutting if you use the factory enclosure, that sub sits much deeper than the factory sub. For about 15 minutes of work, it is a great little sub.
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Have a 2004 with the stock CD head unit. I want to replace it with a Digital Media Unit as I don't use CD's anymore. Is this a Single or Double Din unit I have ?

Also, would like to stay around $150 to do this.
I'm thinking the PioneerMVHX560BT
Will be upgrading stock Speakers next.
I don't run an Amp and don't want to.
I do have the Center Console Sub.
Any feedback would help.
I run the Alpine UTE-42BT in my Jeep. It is a nice mechless unit, the bluetooth streaming is very nice. I don't run an amp for the speakers and the sound quality is just fine, even with the top and doors off. I got my unit a while ago after shopping around, but with dash kit, wiring kit and the unit itself I was just over $100. I also replaced all the speakers for $100 (Kenwoods) with the brackets for the dash. I would recommend replacing your factory sub, the difference it made was night and day.
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What did you replace your factory Sub with ?
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What did you replace your factory Sub with ?
The Kicker COMPCVT651. 6.5 inch sub, same diameter as the factory sub. Used the factory sub enclosure, dremeled it out for depth. I did have to run an amp to it, the factory amp is garbage. Used an old Coustic two channel amp I had laying around. Mounted it under the steering column.

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