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Old 08-14-2011, 06:31 PM   #1
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Auto lockers

. Iam planning on doing a front and rear auto locker. Main reason is budget plus our hot dry climate. Its a daily driver with 33's and my question is will mechanicaly the locker or rear diff get hurt from daily driving uturns and parking. Sometimes on a uturn u have exit fast and am sure the tires will be chirping, but mechanically will it get hurt? And even if i just let it roll with no gas on a uturn it will clunk, does it mean it os getting hurt? Or i can ignore the noise because it is normal?

I know i have asked the queation in "spartan locker" thread but as Jerry advised it would be a good open forum topic, so i can get more opinions, since many did not read that thread, plus good for people who will try to search.

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The right rear auto locker is fine on the street, I put over 120K miles on my last TJ with a rear-mounted Detroit Locker. I barely noticed its presence 99% of the time. A front auto locker is a non-issue when on the street in 2wd. At the most, most click when making turns on the street. At the least, one auto locker for the front doesn't click at all and it's not noticeable in 2wd, this one is the Powertrax No-Slip locker.

I ran both of those lockers in my previous TJ on the street for many happy years, I miss the hell out of them.

I can't comment on Spartan lockers since I've never driven one, but I can't imagine any of their full case lockers being as smooth on the street as the Detroit Locker is.
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I have detroit lockers both front & rear, we bought in new
in Florida and it has 25k miles on it now.
I have the 6 cyc with auto trans, but w/3.07 gears
I would highly recommend doing lockers on the rear,
but I would suggest an air locker up front (or leave it open).

The clic-clic-clic when turning causes no wear - it's
designed that way. But, under acceleration that
is when it "locks". So when I turn onto the hi-way (2wd)
and use the gas pedal the inside rear tire will chirp chirp chirp.
When I take a turn "coasting" (w/o using the gas) no chirp chirp chirp.

I keep my '00 Sahara is in the mtns of Colorado.
In the mud/snow having it in 4x4 makes it scary sometimes
when turning sharp on the twisty dirt roads. If I were to do this again,
I would leave the front as an open diff.
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Having had an auto locker up front for many years, my experience with well over 100K miles on a front automatic locker is that it's an absolute 100% non-issue when in 2wd on the street. I couldn't even tell the difference when my hubs were locked or unlocked after installing manual hubs with my front locker. Zero effect on steering feel and my No-Slip locker was virtually silent when in 2wd.

In other words, again, a front-mounted automatic locker is a non-issue when in 2wd on the street. Since the front locker is not receiving any torque in 2wd, it doesn't lock up hard so it doesn't present any feedback when turning other than a bit of clicking with some lunchbox lockers like the Aussie and Lockright.
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I was thinking of the aussie lockers ecause my froend has a front one and likes it. Soo clicking is fine, but what about the chirp chirp chirp? Woth stock tires lets say its fine but what about with 33's?
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The rear tire chirping is ONLY going to happen if you apply too much gas while turning a corner. My rear-mounted Detroit Locker never chirped unless I was accelerating through a corner much harder than was required.
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The rear tire chirping is ONLY going to happen if you apply too much gas while turning a corner. My rear-mounted Detroit Locker never chirped unless I was accelerating through a corner much harder than was required.
Lets just say for example i have a heavy foot, and it will vhirp quite often, will only the tire be affected?
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All bets are off on what will break, what will hold up, etc. when anyone says they have a "heavy foot". I lost my heavy foot when I was around 19 years old so I can't offer any advice on that at all.
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All bets are off on what will break, what will hold up, etc. when anyone says they have a "heavy foot". I lost my heavy foot when I was around 19 years old so I can't offer any advice on that at all.
I only have a heavy foot on acceleration then i go slower than anyone around me. It just that the chorp of big offroad tires is a chirp iam sure i will be wanting to here more often. I though maybe since its a autolocker then they would have made sure ot wothstands the chirp chirp. I meam many times you need to accelerate on a turn.
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I had a detriot in the rear of the CJ. As stated most of the time I didn't know it was there. On the road if I did a up shift or down shift I got a little bump from the rear end if the RPM's were on the high side, and it might pull a bit more into the lane as I changed. I also had a front lock right in a TJ. As stated 99% of the time I did know it was there in 2wd, If I made a very slow very sharp turn, I would hear it click as the teeth over ran each other.

For the dry weather you have I see no issue with running auto lockers front and rear. If you said you have winter snow/ice driving then I would have said no on the front auto locker as they can make it very tough to steer in snow and ice.
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I had a detriot in the rear of the CJ. As stated most of the time I didn't know it was there. On the road if I did a up shift or down shift I got a little bump from the rear end if the RPM's were on the high side, and it might pull a bit more into the lane as I changed. I also had a front lock right in a TJ. As stated 99% of the time I did know it was there in 2wd, If I made a very slow very sharp turn, I would hear it click as the teeth over ran each other.

For the dry weather you have I see no issue with running auto lockers front and rear. If you said you have winter snow/ice driving then I would have said no on the front auto locker as they can make it very tough to steer in snow and ice.
But the bump means its just engaging, not that something is gettong messed up? Soo that i will have to get used too. Did your do alot of cirping on turns if you accelerated? And how did it hold up?
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For the dry weather you have I see no issue with running auto lockers front and rear. If you said you have winter snow/ice driving then I would have said no on the front auto locker as they can make it very tough to steer in snow and ice.
x2 ^^

In 2wd the front locker is NO problem on pavement or off-road.
In 4wd (offroad) when in snow/mud the front locker IS a problem,
but only when - trying to turn because the 2 front wheels want to
continue pulling equally: aka: go straight. If I can remember to lift
BEFORE turning I can unlock the front and have no problem.
Going straight I've had all 4 wheels spinning through drifts with the
trailer and thus having the front locked HAS been handy a few times.
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x2 ^^

In 2wd the front locker is NO problem on pavement or off-road.
In 4wd (offroad) when in snow/mud the front locker IS a problem,
but only when - trying to turn because the 2 front wheels want to
continue pulling equally: aka: go straight. If I can remember to lift
BEFORE turning I can unlock the front and have no problem.
Going straight I've had all 4 wheels spinning through drifts with the
trailer and thus having the front locked HAS been handy a few times.
Thats noo prob for me at all, my jeep will probably never see snow. The most slippery situation is wet pavement where i will be in 2wd, so no worries there except making sure that the rear will not overcome the front on turns. Hehe
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But the bump means its just engaging, not that something is gettong messed up? Soo that i will have to get used too. Did your do alot of cirping on turns if you accelerated? And how did it hold up?
The sounds are all normal and no damage is taking place. Also with the detroit full case locker you can sometimes get a very very loud BANG, Think Cannon going off. Mine would do this every time I was turned into the bank parking lot. Again all normal. I never had my lockright make that loud of a sound. The lockright did fine when I busted a front axle shaft, no damage to the locker. I don't recall a lot of chirping from it.
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The sounds are all normal and no damage is taking place. Also with the detroit full case locker you can sometimes get a very very loud BANG, Think Cannon going off. Mine would do this every time I was turned into the bank parking lot. Again all normal. I never had my lockright make that loud of a sound. The lockright did fine when I busted a front axle shaft, no damage to the locker.
Have you heard of how an aussie performs? If it os loud or not? Soo i dont have to be too easy on the skinny pedal soo it doesnt chirp?
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i have an aussie in my front axle...it definitely doesnt "chirp" lol...idk what that would be sounding like...but it does click loud when turning left....for some reason only clicks sometimes when turning right, and not as loud as when going left...who knows why
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i have an aussie in my front axle...it definitely doesnt "chirp" lol...idk what that would be sounding like...but it does click loud when turning left....for some reason only clicks sometimes when turning right, and not as loud as when going left...who knows why
The front wont chirp for sure, because your in 2wd. My friend has an aussie now 3 yeara on his jeep and he loves ot, but its only front. I want both front and rear. I wana be fully locked. Hehe.
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I installed an Aussie Locker in my Dana 30 front axle several years ago. The ONLY time I know it is there is when I look down at the left front tire when it is off the ground and it is still rolling! Wonderful, and NO noise at all whether the front is engaged or not. Plan on a second in my Ford 8.8 just because I have had such good luck with the first.

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I installed an Aussie Locker in my Dana 30 front axle several years ago. The ONLY time I know it is there is when I look down at the left front tire when it is off the ground and it is still rolling! Wonderful, and NO noise at all whether the front is engaged or not. Plan on a second in my Ford 8.8 just because I have had such good luck with the first.

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Thanks good to know. MY concern is mostly for the rear since it will be all the time engaged and its a daily driver. But i would really like an autolocker in the rear but at the same time i want it to be reliable.
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I installed an Aussie Locker in my Dana 30 front axle several years ago. The ONLY time I know it is there is when I look down at the left front tire when it is off the ground and it is still rolling! Wonderful, and NO noise at all whether the front is engaged or not. Plan on a second in my Ford 8.8 just because I have had such good luck with the first.

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If yo made the videoi then a big thanks to you exellent vid. If not then also great big thanks to ppsting the link. Hpw did you like the quality of the parts they gave you? You feel they are very solid? Or you think you will have to replace soon or that it will break?

After install wont you need to re adjust the ring and pinion? How much you payed for thrust washer and the pin? And from wjere? Sorry for soo many questions.
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I wouldn't install any lunchbox locker into the rear axle unless it was a Powertrax No-Slip which is far better behaved in the rear than the Aussie, Lockrite or EZ-Lockers are.

And since I learned you have a "heavy foot" I wouldn't install any lunchbox locker in the rear, I'd only go for a full case locker like the Detroit Locker which is strong enough to put up with some heavy foot type abuse.
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I wouldn't install any lunchbox locker into the rear axle unless it was a Powertrax No-Slip which is far better behaved in the rear than the Aussie, Lockrite or EZ-Lockers are.

And since I learned you have a "heavy foot" I wouldn't install any lunchbox locker in the rear, I'd only go for a full case locker like the Detroit Locker which is strong enough to put up with some heavy foot type abuse.
Good point thankss. Detroits arent they a type of spool locker? A friend if iam not mistaken had it on his camaro and thatthing was popping and clunking hard on uturns. Is this the one wer talking about?
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Remember we all had a big discussion on the Detroit Locker in another one of your threads? Of ALL of the automatic lockers available for use in our Wrangler TJs, the Detroit Locker is BY FAR the best behaved of any of them. I put over 120K miles on my rear-mounted Detroit Locker in my last (daily driver) TJ and loved it.
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Remember we all had a big discussion on the Detroit Locker in another one of your threads? Of ALL of the automatic lockers available for use in our Wrangler TJs, the Detroit Locker is BY FAR the best behaved of any of them. I put over 120K miles on my rear-mounted Detroit Locker in my last (daily driver) TJ and loved it.
Sorry i dont remeber. Veryyy good. Soo i stay with front aussie and rear detroit? It uses a different system that makes it stronger? Since its best behaved does it mean it engages less?
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Found some reviews on google and Foumd info. Soo it alsoo engages %100. its quite pricey probably thats why its better than rest. Do you hav experience with a yukon truetrac? Is it any good? Or its not comaprable with detroit?
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I am also considering auto lockers (aussie) for both the front and rear.

I have ford 8.8 w/artec truss, HP30 artec truss synergy ball joints, 4.56 gears, 35" km2, it is a weekend warrior i do not drive it during the week, but when i take some trips i drive it to the parks, what i worry about is the ability to make sharp turns and give it some gas to make it over obstacles (rocks / hills / muddy hills)

i also have many of the same questions as the OP, and i can not find a video of anybody that has auto locker off road on a technical course where they have to make sharp turns and give gas.

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