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Old 02-17-2012, 08:24 PM   #1
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Axles, differentials, lockers, and gears

Ok so here goes.

I have a 2000 4.0 auto with dana 30/35 combo. I run 35s and have 3.07 gears in it. (stupid i know) I dont wheel in the mountains or on rocks or in mud, just some trails here and there and this is my DD. Basically, I got the Jeep and thought "wouldnt it look cool if i ......" Honestly I didnt really do any research until after I did all that good looking stuff to it, shame in me ya i know lol.

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after much research I have learned that if I want to change gears to say 4.56 or larger I need to change the differential housing since my current one will not hold that size gear. If I change the housing should I add lockers at the same time? If im adding lockers I shouldnt keep the 30/35 combo with the 35s right?

Its easy to spend 8k on new axles and be done with it but I dont have 8k to spend on them . what is the easiest way to get out of this with the best power and reliability setup for the 35s since that will be the one constant here?

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You can go to 4.10 and should be fine. If all you do is occasional trail just throw an Aussie locker in front and call it good.

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The simple solution would be to upgrade the rear dana 35 to a superior axle super 35. It includes a locker, upgrade shafts and will handle 35's, You may also want to truss the axle a bit. Slap some upgraded shafts in the front dana 30 and you set, if you want to put a locker up front,go with a e-locker or arb that you can turn on and off. For the rear your other option would be a ford 8.8.. look at east coast gear supply to get an idea on cost.
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go to the junkyarde and look under xjs for a dana 44. clean it up!!
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Thx for the help. I kept going over these things in my head and it all comes up to new axle in the rear and beef up the front. I have no welding skills and noone around me with the tools (or a garage) to do any modifying. Im not opposed to doing the work of putting in an 8.8 I just dont know how to do it atm.

If I want to go to the 4.56 in the front what exactly would I need?

for the super 35 kit would that come with all the chiz I need like the differential housing and gears or is that something different? I think my lack of knowledge on axles is holding me back and somewhat confusing me here.
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i would shitcan the 35 in a heart beat!! leave the 30 front thats fine, but id definately upgrade the rear before i started investing in the 35!!
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Thx for the help. I kept going over these things in my head and it all comes up to new axle in the rear and beef up the front. I have no welding skills and noone around me with the tools (or a garage) to do any modifying. Im not opposed to doing the work of putting in an 8.8 I just dont know how to do it atm.

If I want to go to the 4.56 in the front what exactly would I need?

for the super 35 kit would that come with all the chiz I need like the differential housing and gears or is that something different? I think my lack of knowledge on axles is holding me back and somewhat confusing me here.
to put 4.56 in either axle you will need a new carrier in each one, but if you regear one you HAVE to do the other, or pull the front drive shaft and leave it out till get the rear done, upgrade to an 8.8, the 35 wont like 35's and a locker
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I got away with 4.56's, lockers and 33's, then 35's and finally 37's in my TJ for a couple of years...........
That being said, if I knew then what I know now and if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't. (look at my avatar).
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Boy, I'll be watching this thread. I am in same exact boat. I have 3.07 gears and want to change out to 4.56 and run 35's as well. By the time you pay to beef up the D35 you might as well pay a little more and get the 8.8. Anybody have a good idea what a carrier and gear change would cost on a d30? Didn't mean to highjack the thread lilyeller. Like you, I am fighting the lack of knowledge problem too...
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4jeepn is right, the super 35 will handle 35 inch tires, but not locked (he didn't say anything about locking) and if you don't really do hard trails you don't really need a locker. lol.

cheapest would be a hp30 which is a pretty direct swap and alot of your lp30 parts will swap over, and you can even find one with 4.10s. then get a ford 8.8 with 4.10s and get someone with experience to weld the bracket kit on and truss, and your good to go. for less than, say 2 grand if your lucky? depends what you pay for the hp30 and what all you have to do to get it to work. I am still working on the research on that one.

another issue is alot of guys say you need the sye/cv/ and control arms for the 8.8, but if you fit 35s already I am gona guess you have a larger lift and may already have the stuff. its due to the offset of the differention in the 8.8

anyways, moral of the story is you dont need 8k. even crate axles from ECGS would be more like 5? ish
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also you might as well beef up steering and brakes if your going to "do it right" this time around. its important stuff.
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To do it right all the way around, id budget 8k-9k.

10-11k if youre doing armor and other things.
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i've got a 4.10 ring/pinion with carrier and spider gears, bearings...everything but the shims (axle specific anyway) the installer would use in the for sale section. 4.10's are in all the 4 cylinders so a cheap 4.10 for the front would be easy to find. re gearing costs money but the parts are cheap to get to that point...and you are no where near the cost of a whole axle. if 35's and a d35 have worked for you so far I'd go after the gears to get the power back
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I put 33's on my 97 last winter. It was a dog after that with 3.07's so this fall I installed 4.56's front and rear. I have the standard D30/D35 setup. Both differentials required new carriers and while I was at it I replaced all bearings and seals. I bought everything from Quadratec. The power and performance is back. I love it again. Wish I had a D44 in the rear but I don't. We do moderate off roading and a ton of trail riding. Hopefully the D35 will last a long time for me. The Superior axle upgrade with locker looks like a good way to go if I need a further upgrade.
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I run a 4cyl with 4.10 and had 32x12.50x15. I live mins away from an offroad park and treated it like I stole it. If I pop a shaft I bought a set of them from junk yards and rebuilt them, I have never popped one. If I do it's under an hour trail fix and the weak axles serve as a buffer to avoid tearing up the expensive stuff. I now run 31x10.50x15 and have my road power back and still treat it like I stole it offroad, Good luck whatever you go with.
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4jeepn is right, the super 35 will handle 35 inch tires, but not locked (he didn't say anything about locking) and if you don't really do hard trails you don't really need a locker. lol.
The Superior Axle Super 35 kit will handle 35's locked all day. The Super 35 kit comes with your choice of a Detroit or ARB lockers. Superior Axle does have other kits as well such as the c-clip Eliminator.

The D30 and D35 have the same carrier brakes. Both are one carrier for less than 3.73 and a larger for 3.73 and above.
You need a 3.73 carrier from each diff to regear to a lower gear. The lowest you can go in a D30/D35 is 4.88
You will also need master install kits for both axles. Normally the brakes get done as well.

I did a Super 35 kit with 4.56's Detroit locker, master install, new drums, pads and brake hardware for the rear and the D30 got a Aussie locker, 4.56's, master install, new rotors a pads for $3500 installed.
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The Superior Axle Super 35 kit will handle 35's locked all day. The Super 35 kit comes with your choice of a Detroit or ARB lockers. Superior Axle does have other kits as well such as the c-clip Eliminator.

The D30 and D35 have the same carrier brakes. Both are one carrier for less than 3.73 and a larger for 3.73 and above.
You need a 3.73 carrier from each diff to regear to a lower gear. The lowest you can go in a D30/D35 is 4.88
You will also need master install kits for both axles. Normally the brakes get done as well.

I did a Super 35 kit with 4.56's Detroit locker, master install, new drums, pads and brake hardware for the rear and the D30 got a Aussie locker, 4.56's, master install, new rotors a pads for $3500 installed.
Not that I wanted to know any of that but thanks all I know is I have been told that there is a chance of destroying the 35 even with the super kit. But you know first hand so I can't argue with that
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Not that I wanted to know any of that but thanks all I know is I have been told that there is a chance of destroying the 35 even with the super kit. But you know first hand so I can't argue with that
Sorry bud that carrier info was ment for the OP. I quoted you just to let everyone know that the Super 35 kit will handle 35's.
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Sorry bud that carrier info was ment for the OP. I quoted you just to let everyone know that the Super 35 kit will handle 35's.
No problem

You know how it is you hear one thing and another. But of course you have run it so you know it's reliable. I'm sure you could bust it if you were on the rocks beating it but there are instances of breaking nearly any axle if you look hard enough.
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The Superior Axle Super 35 kit will handle 35's locked all day. The Super 35 kit comes with your choice of a Detroit or ARB lockers. Superior Axle does have other kits as well such as the c-clip Eliminator.

The D30 and D35 have the same carrier brakes. Both are one carrier for less than 3.73 and a larger for 3.73 and above.
You need a 3.73 carrier from each diff to regear to a lower gear. The lowest you can go in a D30/D35 is 4.88
You will also need master install kits for both axles. Normally the brakes get done as well.

I did a Super 35 kit with 4.56's Detroit locker, master install, new drums, pads and brake hardware for the rear and the D30 got a Aussie locker, 4.56's, master install, new rotors a pads for $3500 installed.
Great info here! thanks for taking the time to let me know what im looking at price wise also. I just upgraded to the black magic brakes in front and rear so that should be covered.
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If your staying with the D35 and installing the super 35, that would be a good time to upgrade the rear drums to disc since axles will be out. Don't buy a kit, go to a junkyard and look for a Grand Cherokee with D35 and discs. It's a simple bolt in swap. I got all the parts needed and bought new rotors and brake pads from a 98 Grand Cherokee and I have everything for $190 total. People will argue that its not worth it, but it's easier on maintenance and does slightly improve braking. I agree, I wouldn't pay $500 to $600 to put disc on my super 35, but $190.... yes I did. Just don't forget the e-brake cables!
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It would seem the consensus is that I should replace the 35 with a d44 or better. I would likely go new since I cant really do the work myself and dont really want to hassle with the BS that comes with modifying things on a used axle. got that down...
Now for the front. Since im changing the gears to 4.56 and need to get a new housing, should I just go for the locker at the same time, would it make things easier in the long run?
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It would seem the consensus is that I should replace the 35 with a d44 or better. I would likely go new since I cant really do the work myself and dont really want to hassle with the BS that comes with modifying things on a used axle. got that down...
Now for the front. Since im changing the gears to 4.56 and need to get a new housing, should I just go for the locker at the same time, would it make things easier in the long run?
You need a new carrier, not housing but yes just get a lunchbox style.
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You need a new carrier, not housing but yes just get a lunchbox style.

my mistake on the carrier thing, but I dont understand the lunchbox.. is that a type of locker?
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my mistake on the carrier thing, but I dont understand the lunchbox.. is that a type of locker?
It's a locker that does not require the assembly and disassembly of the ring and pinion I believe. .
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It replaces the spider gears, and if you dont like the way it handles in the winter it can be easily removed and the spiders reinstalled.
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<-- lives in Florida so winter for me is just a bit of rain at 4:00pm lol. So the lunchbox is a locker and gears? or do I still need the 4.56 gears? Have any links on the different types of lockers? Thx a ton for your help I have learned alot from you folks, its way easier to get the information you want rather than reading articles sifting thru the information you dont need.
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<-- lives in Florida so winter for me is just a bit of rain at 4:00pm lol. So the lunchbox is a locker and gears? or do I still need the 4.56 gears? Have any links on the different types of lockers? Thx a ton for your help I have learned alot from you folks, its way easier to get the information you want rather than reading articles sifting thru the information you dont need.
No it replaces the spider gears not the ring and pinion. The ring and pinion are your 4.56. etc. so yes you still need the gears. Maybe someone has a diagram to show you the r/p and spider fears. Inside the diff.
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sorry to revive an old thread.

I bought a 93 YJ (4.0, 5spd) where the 2 or 3 previous owners ago had installed Grand Wagoneer F and R axles.

in corresponding with baseline 4x4 Outfitters the determination is they are 3.31's. I know there are lockers installed, my question is were there manufactures (stock) lockers in these?

And if so, what brand?

I want to upgrade to 4.27 gearing and am trying to determine what I carrier I will need to get.

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