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Old 01-01-2013, 11:24 AM   #31
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That doesent matter. As of now my limiting factor is my fenders and that wont change for me unless i hiline. My springs dont unseat now so there is no point.

How can the quality of shock be related to travel? That has to do with length not the actual quality. I run Bilstein 5100s and it rides pretty nice considering the amount put into it.
My point was the cheap shocks that come with those kits are 8" travel and are the limiting factor, or limiting strap. How much travel do your bilsteins have? What are your extended and collapsed lengths? How much bump stop extension do you have now? How much more down travel could you gain with long travel shocks and longer springs!

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Old 01-01-2013, 11:50 AM   #32
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My point was the cheap shocks that come with those kits are 8" travel and are the limiting factor. How much travel do your bilsteins have? What are your extended and collapsed lengths? How much bump stop extension do you have now? How much more down travel could you gain with long travel shocks and longer springs?
Yea like I'm going to go outside and measure all of this for you lol. I did this little lift 2 years ago so I really don't remember or care since its temporary. I didn't buy it as a kit so I ordered the right length shocks for my setup. All i can tell you is that it works.

Well of course I would gain more travel by putting longer springs/shocks. My rig sits at a perfect height for the tire size so I see no reason to do that. Bottom line is, putting in 2" springs or 2" spacers will yield the same amount of travel with stock fenders/suspension. If you throw 2" coils in my rig now there will be absolutely no difference.

Besides, why am I going to go buy new 2.5" springs and longer shocks when im getting my 4" springs soon? The whole "lcg" thing doesent work in this part of the country. There isn't really a need to overthink this, they are called budget boosts for a reason.

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Old 01-01-2013, 12:07 PM   #33
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Yea like I'm going to go outside and measure all of this for you lol. I did this little lift 2 years ago so I really don't remember or care since its temporary. I didn't buy it as a kit so I ordered the right length shocks for my setup. All i can tell you is that it works.

Well of course I would gain more travel by putting longer springs/shocks. My rig sits at a perfect height for the tire size so I see no reason to do that. Bottom line is, putting in 2" springs or 2" spacers will yield the same amount of travel with stock fenders/suspension. If you throw 2" coils in my rig now there will be absolutely no difference.

Besides, why am I going to go buy new 2.5" springs and longer shocks when im getting my 4" springs soon? The whole "lcg" thing doesent work in this part of the country. There isn't really a need to overthink this, they are called budget boosts for a reason.
My point was you can gain more travel with different springs when combined with the right shocks and shock mount mods. You said there would be no gain by moving to springs over spacers and that isn't correct give the right setup. There is also a factor of spring rates and those of us who do like lcog will lose much of the gained hight with stock springs and spacers when adding heavy bumper, winch, armor, etc. So you see there are many reason a spring can be a better route.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #34
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My limited experience- my 2" BDS springs ride much better than my stock (95K miles) springs. I did have a BB for a while, but on stock springs, it doesn't change the ride...
When you had the BB, did you run stock shocks or did you upgrade?
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My point was you can gain more travel with different springs when combined with the right shocks and shock mount mods. You said there would be no gain by moving to springs over spacers and that isn't correct give the right setup. There is also a factor of spring rates and those of us who do like lcog will lose much of the gained hight with stock springs and spacers when adding heavy bumper, winch, armor, etc. So you see there are many reason a spring can be a better route.
How is it not correct? Like i've said before my limiter is my fenders. It is not the springs or the shocks. If you threw in a coil thats exactly my height you would not see any gains in travel. The fender is the limiter.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to convince me a spring is better. Of course a longer spring with outboarded 12" shocks and hilines is a better route. I think you missed the point of the thread being that this is a cheap and easy solution to gain a bit of height. Spacers are cheaper and easier.

With a Jeep with stock suspension (yes this includes stock shock mounts) and fenders spacers yield the same results as longer springs. End of story.
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How is it not correct? Like i've said before my limiter is my fenders. It is not the springs or the shocks. If you threw in a coil thats exactly my height you would not see any gains in travel. The fender is the limiter.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to convince me a spring is better. Of course a longer spring with outboarded 12" shocks and hilines is a better route. I think you missed the point of the thread being that this is a cheap and easy solution to gain a bit of height. Spacers are cheaper and easier.

With a Jeep with stock suspension (yes this includes stock shock mounts) and fenders spacers yield the same results as longer springs. End of story.
If you can't unseat your stock springs with spacers your shocks are limiting your down travel, so yes they are your limiting factor of overall travel. Travel is both up and down. And aftermarket springs like rc 2.5" progressive's are longer then your stock springs and spacers combined!
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If you can't unseat your stock springs with spacers your shocks are limiting your down travel, so yes they are your limiting factor of overall travel. Travel is both up and down. And aftermarket springs like rc 2.5" progressive's are longer then your stock springs and spacers combined!
I must have those magic spacers then because at full bump my shocks aren't bottomed out, my spring is still seated, and my tire is almost touching my fender lip.

How many times do I need to say i don't want any added height with this setup? My rig works fine, and those that have wheeled with me can testify to that. You keep telling me to buy RC coils when i said im not on board with your whole "lcg" thing. There is absolutely no reason to go spend $300 on new coils which will gain me nothing when they will go in the trash in a few months when i get my real lift on.

The OP said in another thread he is doing light trails. Last time I checked you don't need super hardcore flex to go on fire roads. He just wants a better ride which is all in the shocks.
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I must have those magic spacers then because at full bump my shocks aren't bottomed out, my spring is still seated, and my tire is almost touching my fender lip.

How many times do I need to say i don't want any added height with this setup? My rig works fine, and those that have wheeled with me can testify to that. You keep telling me to buy RC coils when i said im not on board with your whole "lcg" thing. There is absolutely no reason to go spend $300 on new coils which will gain me nothing when they will go in the trash in a few months when i get my real lift on.

The OP said in another thread he is doing light trails. Last time I checked you don't need super hardcore flex to go on fire roads. He just wants a better ride which is all in the shocks.
I never said you should buy anything! I said give the right setup with longer shocks and springs you can gain more travel. This discussion wasn't for your benefit it was for the op. Who actually didn't ask about a cheap lift, but about ride quality of bb vs new springs.
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I never said you should buy anything! I said give the right setup with longer shocks and springs you can gain more travel. This discussion wasn't for your benefit it was for the op. Who actually didn't ask about a cheap lift, but about ride quality of bb vs new springs.
OK?? You keep talking about this "right setup" which probably involves out boarding and high clearance fenders. This has nothing to do with what the OP wanted. I would just like to wheel with someone so they can show me how much more awesome flex they get with their longer springs vs my lowly spacers .

He posted another thread that you probably didn't read and it sounded like he was on a budget, which is why I recommended spacers. I guess us lowly spacer people will just go back to Nordstroms because we can't hang with the big boys with their longer springs.
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Oh, here's the quote from the OP in the other thread .

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Well, I don't do much wheeling, except light, light trails. And money is a huge factor and these two are the same price (+/-)
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Oh, here's the quote from the OP in the other thread .
And this isn't that thread. And that wasn't said here.
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And this isn't that thread. And that wasn't said here.
Well now you know .
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^^ You guys done yet? The OP just asked a couple simple questions.


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Which would offer the better ride? A BB spacer lift or a coil spring lift set?
All depends on the springs and shocks used.

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When you had the BB, did you run stock shocks or did you upgrade?
I installed soft, cheap, longer shocks back when I had a BB. Skyjacker Hydros for 2"-3" of lift.

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