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Old 07-18-2013, 02:24 PM   #31
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Nice thing about the Metal cloak armor/fender system is that you can start of doing it first, add some larger tires WHILE you do research on all the other things. Its actually what I did first on my build. Front, rear fenders and rock sliders from MC, then tossed on some larger tires with a new speedo gear to keep the speedometer accurate. That allowed me plenty of time to do research and get to know which members know their stuff(like IMPED)and offered good advice that pointed me in the right direction.

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Also while you continue to research...look through this thread:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/chea...ds-102868.html

As it will give you lots of fun little mods you can do to you Jeep until you and your dad get the knowledge to make the big decisions.

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Old 07-18-2013, 03:43 PM   #33
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Tell your dad he shouldn't worry so much
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LOL and stay off of hills like this...or if you do, "line up" correctly.

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Old 07-18-2013, 04:06 PM   #35
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I found this thread actually pretty useful, and who doesn't love a good video?
I'll be painting the parts you mentioned to make them fade into the shadows. I think this will make a big difference!
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:07 PM   #36
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^ Lots of stupid people...........idiot should have at least had a recovery line hooked to the back, would have prevented this. Some people just should NOT be off roading. Moron got what he deserved.........lucky he wasn't killed.
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #37
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It's 1"......

There's more to a properly built Jeep than "flex."

Neither of you really know what you're talking about so it's kind of a waste of everyone's time.
I've read the entire thread, so I don't think I'm reading this out of context...but almost everything stated has been helpful until THIS. If offering opinions and answering questions is a waste of time, then we might as well shut the forum down.
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How about new 1.25" body.... ummm "bushings"?
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:34 PM   #39
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How about new 1.25" body.... ummm "bushings"?
There is no such thing as a 1.25" BL that uses new bushings. The 1.25" BL just uses metal spacers on top of the original body mounts, which is why Im not a fan of em. Many/most times the original body bushings are worn out/dry rotted.....I prefer the 1" kits that completely REPLACE the original body bushings altogether, like the kit from Daystar.
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There is no such thing as a 1.25" BL that uses new bushings. The 1.25" BL just uses metal spacers on top of the original body mounts, which is why Im not a fan of em. Many/most times the original body bushings are worn out/dry rotted.....I prefer the 1" kits that completely REPLACE the original body bushings altogether, like the kit from Daystar.
Apparently you missed the humor. Trying to word it in a way that didn't use the word "Lift".

I wasn't referring to any particular kit or method of body lift.
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I've read the entire thread, so I don't think I'm reading this out of context...but almost everything stated has been helpful until THIS. If offering opinions and answering questions is a waste of time, then we might as well shut the forum down.

I am not speaking for Imped, but my interpretation of his comment is that because the OP is new and the dad has his own opinions...we could post all day with suggestions but the reality is that at the end of the day, OP will still be confused and the dad will still have his original opinions.

So we are kinda wasting time with this making suggestions.
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:14 PM   #42
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I will attempt to help from a different angle, hopefully you can get your folks to read this...

As a 65 year old grandfather who is as conservative as they come about such things, your concerns about the Jeep 'flipping' with even a small suspension lift were indeed valid for much earlier model Jeeps. However, that changed many years ago when Jeep redesigned the Jeep to have a wider wheelbase to make them more stable on the road. That happened around 1982, just over 30 years ago, when Jeep started installing wider axles and slightly lowered their center-of-gravity. Older Jeeps did indeed have a narrow wheelbase that made them somewhat tip prone, but that, again, has not been the case since 1982.

So today's Wranglers are not prone to that old long-gone problem, so long as the Jeep isn't lifted "stupid high" with no common sense. Even a moderate height suspension lift isn't going to make a modern Wrangler prone to flip... especially since aftermarket wheels that all come with less backspacing and commonly installed on lifted Wranglers give the Jeeps an even wider stance to make them even more stable and highly resistant to even getting close to rolling.

And if you were able to see the insurance industry's actuarial data tables, you would be surprised to read that the Jeep Wrangler actually has a higher safety rating than the typical car does. Yes, that is a true fact. The modern Wrangler's heavy steel body and full steel frame adds to its safety by better protecting its occupants in a crash. Which is borne out by those same actuarial data tables showing that Jeeps involved in accidents have lower injury rates than cars do. Not to mention that due to that heavy steel body and full steel chassis, Wranglers are substantially heavier than the average car is, despite some erroneousyl thinking they look lighter.

I let my then-16 year old son, now 22, drive my lifted Wrangler all the time & knew he was better protected in it than he would have been in either of our other two cars. Not to mention the Wrangler's standard protective rollcage that cars don't have. If my lifted Wrangler had been the least bit rollprone, there is no way I would have let him drive it on his own. I knew it was a safe vehicle for him, safer than most cars even in its lifted state.

A short properly installed suspension lift, 2-3" or so, isn't going to make your son's modern Wrangler unsafe or prone to rolling. Bad driving or other drivers cause rollovers, not Wranglers with a properly installed small, like 2-3", suspension lifts that have been properly installed.

Coming from me as a parent to you as a parent, don't let the old outdated rumors of Jeeps being roll-prone bias you against letting your son install a reasonably small conservative 2-3" suspension lift. The old roll-prone thing hasn't been true since before the Wrangler was introduced.

Your hearts are in the right place, I am extremely protective of my three kids and two grandkids too, but let that tired old roll-prone issue that hasn't been true in many years rest.
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #43
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Obviously "flex" will remain stock. But stock "flex" is better than people give it credit for. He could improve offroad flex just by adding a Currie Antirock or ORO DR swayloc up front.
How is this the same as stock flex? It looks like if the tires raise 5" if disconnected they would be in the fenders. I assume bump stop extensions are needed to prevent rubbing? A stock jeep with the recommended tire size would articulate more than this set up, and in my opinion would be just as capable, if not more so than 35's and metal cloaks alone.

Add a small lift and I would change my opinion.
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:11 PM   #44
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I am not speaking for Imped, but my interpretation of his comment is that because the OP is new and the dad has his own opinions...we could post all day with suggestions but the reality is that at the end of the day, OP will still be confused and the dad will still have his original opinions.

So we are kinda wasting time with this making suggestions.
How are you wasting time making these suggestions? Are you suggesting that I don't understand what "remove the sidesteps" or "paint your frame rails" means?

Since starting this thread I HAVE removed the sidesteps and I feel that it does look higher off the ground now. So to say that these suggestions are a waste of time... It is most certainly not, and it is helping me out a lot. Not to mention getting started on a forum where I can learn and become more knowledgable about my car....

Thanks for all of the help/suggestions everyone, I think we have covered most of the solutions for my problem in this thread.
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diy high line hood mod gives more clearance and makes it look lifted w/o lifting it.

keep an eye on craigslist, always someone trying to sell tires and wheels to go bigger.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:28 AM   #46
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I will attempt to help from a different angle, hopefully you can get your folks to read this...

As a 65 year old grandfather who is as conservative as they come about such things, your concerns about the Jeep 'flipping' with even a small suspension lift were indeed valid for much earlier model Jeeps. However, that changed many years ago when Jeep redesigned the Jeep to have a wider wheelbase to make them more stable on the road. That happened around 1982, just over 30 years ago, when Jeep started installing wider axles and slightly lowered their center-of-gravity. Older Jeeps did indeed have a narrow wheelbase that made them somewhat tip prone, but that, again, has not been the case since 1982.

So today's Wranglers are not prone to that old long-gone problem, so long as the Jeep isn't lifted "stupid high" with no common sense. Even a moderate height suspension lift isn't going to make a modern Wrangler prone to flip... especially since aftermarket wheels that all come with less backspacing and commonly installed on lifted Wranglers give the Jeeps an even wider stance to make them even more stable and highly resistant to even getting close to rolling.

And if you were able to see the insurance industry's actuarial data tables, you would be surprised to read that the Jeep Wrangler actually has a higher safety rating than the typical car does. Yes, that is a true fact. The modern Wrangler's heavy steel body and full steel frame adds to its safety by better protecting its occupants in a crash. Which is borne out by those same actuarial data tables showing that Jeeps involved in accidents have lower injury rates than cars do. Not to mention that due to that heavy steel body and full steel chassis, Wranglers are substantially heavier than the average car is, despite some erroneousyl thinking they look lighter.

I let my then-16 year old son, now 22, drive my lifted Wrangler all the time & knew he was better protected in it than he would have been in either of our other two cars. Not to mention the Wrangler's standard protective rollcage that cars don't have. If my lifted Wrangler had been the least bit rollprone, there is no way I would have let him drive it on his own. I knew it was a safe vehicle for him, safer than most cars even in its lifted state.

A short properly installed suspension lift, 2-3" or so, isn't going to make your son's modern Wrangler unsafe or prone to rolling. Bad driving or other drivers cause rollovers, not Wranglers with a properly installed small, like 2-3", suspension lifts that have been properly installed.

Coming from me as a parent to you as a parent, don't let the old outdated rumors of Jeeps being roll-prone bias you against letting your son install a reasonably small conservative 2-3" suspension lift. The old roll-prone thing hasn't been true since before the Wrangler was introduced.

Your hearts are in the right place, I am extremely protective of my three kids and two grandkids too, but let that tired old roll-prone issue that hasn't been true in many years rest.
Thanks for this write-up I will be sure to show it to my dad.
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I am not speaking for Imped, but my interpretation of his comment is that because the OP is new and the dad has his own opinions...we could post all day with suggestions but the reality is that at the end of the day, OP will still be confused and the dad will still have his original opinions.

So we are kinda wasting time with this making suggestions.

I hate to take this off topic, but that's not logic; that's arrogance. Everyone on this forum was new and confused at one point and some had opinionated people at home influencing their mods...but fortunately for us, this is the Jeep world, where we help the newbies by informing and educating them and then WHEN NECESSARY, offer an opinion. If you get tired of helping new people out and feel like time is being wasted, then don't bother posting.
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I hate to take this off topic, but that's not logic; that's arrogance. Everyone on this forum was new and confused at one point and some had opinionated people at home influencing their mods...but fortunately for us, this is the Jeep world, where we help the newbies by informing and educating them and then WHEN NECESSARY, offer an opinion. If you get tired of helping new people out and feel like time is being wasted, then don't bother posting.

Right on brother. At times some people have to make due with what they have and would like some simple advice. Sometimes it's a money issue or as the OP said he would like some advice to pass to his parents. As Jeep enthusiasts we should be obliged to help not criticize. This forum has been invaluable to me and what knowledge I have gained I gladly share with anyone willing to listen. We were all new Jeep owners at one time, keep that in mind. Just my .02

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Right on brother. At times some people have to make due with what they have and would like some simple advice. Sometimes it's a money issue or as the OP said he would like some advice to pass to his parents. As Jeep enthusiasts we should be obliged to help not criticize. This forum has been invaluable to me and what knowledge I have gained I gladly share with anyone willing to listen. We were all new Jeep owners at one time, keep that in mind. Just my .02

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THe post from IMPED might have come across wrong, but I think the right intention was there. Im not outright defending him, but he was right on still. He gives a lot of GREAT advice. A lot of my build was based off of that, and he never steered me wrong. I'd buy him a case of beer no question.

But for those who still have issue with it, Jerry's post I think was the politically correct one.
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THe post from IMPED might have come across wrong, but I think the right intention was there. Im not outright defending him, but he was right on still. He gives a lot of GREAT advice. A lot of my build was based off of that, and he never steered me wrong. I'd buy him a case of beer no question.

But for those who still have issue with it, Jerry's post I think was the politically correct one.
Any pics of your build?
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Any pics of your build?
I think i have a few pics in my profile.....stats etc.
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I had the same issue with my parents. But I was able to buy a set of 32" BF Goodrich TA KO's. If your not planning on a lot of rock crawling, these did well for mainly street/highway usage and some mild off roading. Everyone here will have great advice though and you can take a little bit from everyone

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