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Old 08-29-2012, 07:42 PM   #1
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BestTop Bikini fit?

So I bought this top along with the proper channel bracket to fit my 06 TJ. Anyone have experience with this top? Sure doesn't look like it fits properly along the channel. Am I on drugs or something or do they just fit like crap?

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They do fit weird, I took some wire cutters and cut a 1in section out of rear section of the side plastic that goes into the surround and slid it back a bit to make it fit better

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Old 08-29-2012, 07:48 PM   #3
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They make them that way so they will fit with or without door surrounds.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:54 PM   #4
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They are always a bit harder to fit when new - eventually the long plastic retainer on the front of the bikini top will adopt the shape of the header.

The pic you included of the wacky fold above the doors is a bit of a mystery to me.
I believe it's to compensate for the 2 different ways of attaching the bikini top - either to the door surrounds or (without the door sorrounds) wrapped around the sport bars.

I have seen pics where folks have been able to fold that bit it so it looks really neat but have had mixed success in achieving the same results myself.

EDIT - I'm typin' too slow - they beat me to it
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Hum... I'll have to take another crack at tomorrow. For now I've reached my profanity limit for the evening.
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Don't beat youself up - that's a great first attempt.

I had my bikini top slotted in the header about a week before actually installing it on the Jeep in the hope it would adapt to the correct shape prior to installation.

Not sure if it helped much - but it does get easier the longer it's installed.
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I'm thinking maybe I should have just bought a whole new quadratop, zipped out all the windows and just do that way when we need a little shade, otherwise leave it all folded down.
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As said before the first time putting it on is always the hardest, now I can put it on faster than throwing the top up, plus the safari is quieter
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:57 PM   #9
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yes i was so frustrated for about 3 mins until i realized it was keeping the sun off my face and i didn't mind it sticking out haha
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I have two of them and always have a difficult time installing it. I can't understand why they make us bolt on the header and use this channel that never seems to work right. I hate mine. It's not something I do when I can only leave it on for a day or two. I did find the mopar sun bonnet that is supposed to include a standard clamp on header at Quadratec. Pricey, but if it works, well you know the saying about JEEP!
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I gave up on mine and went with a Spiderweb.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:12 PM   #12
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I feel your pain regarding that header section when I used to have my header. What i ended up doing which made future installs go much quicker and easier was to glue the header portion of the top into the windshield header bracket with epoxy. When de-install, I would grab the header bracket and roll the top up. Install was a breeze not having to worry about trying to keep the header portion from coming off the bracket. I ended up cutting off the header portion off and added grommets and zip ties so my safari top stays on all the time under my soft top like this:



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I had such a hard time getting mine on I decided to just sell it unused. Then I tried one more time but I let it sit in the sun on the driveway for an hour before putting it on. This time it went on much easier and looked good. I kept it on for a two weeks and now it's much easier to install. I don't use it unless I get fought in the rain topless.
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Old guy here...well old guy as far as the Bikini top...been using my Bestop Bikini since '06....and now it is so fitted I can put it on in about 2 min or less.

Yeah it was a PIA the first time (like over an hour) and instructions NO HELP!

I have found it works a little different than what we do for a "regular softop".

I do the 2 straps that go to the rollbars at angle first...just fastened loosely...and than start/ insert the plastic header piece while keeping tension on the top and lightly/ slowly tightening the straps. (I stand on the rails/ door sills to reach to do this.)

This allows the straps to pull the plastic piece tighter into the header. Once I have that tucked into the header to my satisfaction, and the 2 straps tight, I than do the inside strap that goes to the footman loop above rearview mirror, and around the rollbar. Again same principal, pulling it tighter into the channel making it as tight as possible.

After the 3 straps across the back are tight I roll the part that is velcro for around the rollbars up about the size/ diameter of a cigar....and tuck on top of rollbar above side window. (doesn't matter which side) I than tuck plastic on side of bikini into rail on door surrounds...repeat opposite side.

And lastly I fold the little goofy piece at the leading edge of bikini on either side so that the "flap" faces to rear of Jeep. (less chance of wind catching it that way) and secure with the small velcro straps provided.

And believe it or not most of the time the only water I get is from the back around the top of the Jammer...this is also why I only have about 2 more months and I will be back in summer trim even though it snowed last night, and is gonna be in single digits tonight. Good luck and remember to tighten the straps after it sits in the sun a while when your Bikini is new...will help it form to your Jeep!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:28 AM   #15
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So jp2611, I am an old guy too. You gave a very detailed answer and I appreciate it. However, IMHO, it should not be that difficult to attach this top. I can only take the top down on weekends, so I want it quick and easy. It amazes me that you have to bolt on the header in the first place, then go through all this just to put on a bikini top. Then unbolt, etc. to put up the factory soft top. I do like the quality of the Bestop materials, but this is a very poorly thought out design. I got a gift certificate to Quadratec that will cover part of the Mopar sun bonnet, if it is still available, and I'll post pictures and feedback once I install it. Of course, it's about 15 degrees right now, so it will be a "drill" until better weather. I learned long ago how to be miserable, don't need any more practice.
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The front corners on my Bestop Safari top fit goofy. They always have, but they have always stayed put. I have had this top for years and put it on every summer. Most always with the door surrounds to ensure a tight fit.

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I can't understand why they make us bolt on the header and use this channel that never seems to work right.
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It amazes me that you have to bolt on the header in the first place, then go through all this just to put on a bikini top. Then unbolt, etc. to put up the factory soft top. ... this is a very poorly thought out design.
No, it is not a poor design. Bestop, in their wisdom, offers two styles of bikini tops, each with its own method of attachment to the windshield: the clamp-on "header" style (which you currently have) and the permanently drilled "strapless" style.

Some of us--like myself--are very appreciative of the header style: it goes on and off without any permanent changes to the Jeep, it seals out the elements very effectively, and it works well for long periods of time. The reason it does so well at sealing out the rain is because it completely attaches to the OEM window surrounds and the windshield frame; when you install your upper door halves (or run full-size doors), then you have a completely sealed interior from the main hoop forward. Throw a duster cover on the rear and now you can park outside or even commute with little worry about rain storms ruining your interior (which I've done on multiple TJs for numerous years). If you're like me and you want to drop/remove your soft top all spring/summer/fall, this Bestop design is a thing of beauty.

You, it seems, are not a proper candidate for this wonderful design. If you want a quick on, quick off bikini with no hassles, switch to the strapless style! This setup uses a small metal bracket (Bestop part number 51210) which permanently attaches to the windshield frame and does not need to be removed to raise/install the factory soft top. Now whenever you drop the top, all you need to do is slip in the bikini and strap it down--no tools needed. It won't seal out the elements as effectively as the clamp-on style at the outer ends of the wndshield, but that won't bother you since you're the type to put up the entire top every time a cloud looms on the horizon (and there's nothing wrong with that).

Seriously, your headaches could easily be solved by switching styles.
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The front corners on my Bestop Safari top fit goofy.
As others have said, Bestop does this so that your bikini can be attached either with or without the door surrounds in place. Were you to remove your surrounds, that extra flap of fabric would let you velcro the outer sides of the bikini to the support bars connecting the main hoop to the windshield.

Could Bestop make a bikini without those extra flaps of fabric? Sure. But the resulting product would then not be purchased by those who want to run a bikini without the surrounds in place. So while I would really love it if Bestop made such a bikini, from a business standpoint I understand why they do not.

There is something of an art to folding over those little flaps so that they are aesthetically pleasing. Work at it a bit and you'll see. (Of course, I suppose you could fold them over and sew them in place if you were desperate... and good with a needle and thread... which I am not.)
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It's not that I want to put up the top every time a cloud looms on the horizon. I've been wet plenty of times, spent 20 years in Jeeps as a Marine. I do, however, work in an urban environment and need to have a somewhat more secure vehicle during the week (I know, soft tops offer no real security).

Interesting observation about the Bestop part number. Thanks for that, and I will check into it. When I spoke with Bestop customer service and with Quadratec, they claimed no knowledge of this. Or, for that matter, of any other solution. Their only advice was, get the top warm, which I had. My Jeep is an 04 TJ and I know there are some differences in the windshield design from earlier models, so maybe that's why they didn't recommend that solution. I would have jumped on it.
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Interesting observation about the Bestop part number. Thanks for that, and I will check into it. When I spoke with Bestop customer service and with Quadratec, they claimed no knowledge of this. Or, for that matter, of any other solution. Their only advice was, get the top warm, which I had. My Jeep is an 04 TJ and I know there are some differences in the windshield design from earlier models, so maybe that's why they didn't recommend that solution. I would have jumped on it.
Your TJ has the plastic on the windshield frame, so Bestop will tell you the strapless bikini won't work. However, if you remove (some of) this plastic then you can drill and mount the strapless bikini just like the older TJs. I've read in here where others have done this.

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I have read on this site about a top called the spider web. Any experience with that?
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I have read on this site about a top called the spider web. Any experience with that?
Not me, no. From what I recall, it provides shade but isn't watertight. Also, I think it can be left in place (installed) and then the soft top can be raised above it.

But that's just what I read about it... I think.
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What Sherpa said. I have a SpiderWeb shade and love it...but it does not keep you dry, nor is it intended to. It's mesh, which allows the air to flow, and it provides shade/UV protection, which is great for folks like me who are folically challenged. Once you attach it you can leave it on and it will not interfere at all if you want to put your hard top or soft top on over it.
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So jp2611, I am an old guy too. You gave a very detailed answer and I appreciate it. However, IMHO, it should not be that difficult to attach this top. I can only take the top down on weekends, so I want it quick and easy. It amazes me that you have to bolt on the header in the first place, then go through all this just to put on a bikini top. Then unbolt, etc. to put up the factory soft top. I do like the quality of the Bestop materials, but this is a very poorly thought out design. I got a gift certificate to Quadratec that will cover part of the Mopar sun bonnet, if it is still available, and I'll post pictures and feedback once I install it. Of course, it's about 15 degrees right now, so it will be a "drill" until better weather. I learned long ago how to be miserable, don't need any more practice.
Sorry this is a little late and way behind as I read further down.....(must really be getting old).

I am old enough that I don't NEED a backseat, and don't WANT one either as it is just more weight I am hauling around. I also have the wife's JK and the Chrysler 300 if we NEED to haul other people.

So my point is this.....Bikini top, WRAP AROUND jammer, Duster for summer time...and the chance of rain....I have been running this set up for several years on my TJ.

I like the look so well that I also got a Halftop.....and my bolted in header piece NEVER comes out, because I use it for both.

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You would think that Bestop would make both kinds for you to choose from, so the fit is snug and makes their product look good. I tried the bikini safari top on my wife's JK, did not like it. So we just use the soft top/ sun-rider feature...just my .02.......
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Sorry this is a little late and way behind as I read further down.....(must really be getting old).

I am old enough that I don't NEED a backseat, and don't WANT one either as it is just more weight I am hauling around. I also have the wife's JK and the Chrysler 300 if we NEED to haul other people.

So my point is this.....Bikini top, WRAP AROUND jammer, Duster for summer time...and the chance of rain....I have been running this set up for several years on my TJ.

I like the look so well that I also got a Halftop.....and my bolted in header piece NEVER comes out, because I use it for both.

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I like that halftop. One question, do you have a soundbar? If so, is it inside with you? Looks like some of the ones I see would leave your soundbar outside.
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I like that halftop. One question, do you have a soundbar? If so, is it inside with you? Looks like some of the ones I see would leave your soundbar outside.
The '04 that I have has a sound bar now...it came with sound pods and those HAD to be removed for the Halftop. (as well as the rollbar padding) The halftop isn't SUPPOSED to work after '02

I just got a VDP sound bar and mounted it above the front seats....never figured out how to turn the pods around as some on here suggested.

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I agree with Airtight, jp2611. That is a nice looking setup. I don't need a rear seat either, and have a Tuffy security deck enclosure, which I do like, so I am not certain how the "bed" portion of the half top would fit over that. The enclosure is fairly tall. I'm waiting on the sun bonnet now, will give that a try. Looks like a good option without having to use the Bestop bolt on channel. I also like those fender flares. Nice looking Jeep, overall.
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I agree with Airtight, jp2611. That is a nice looking setup. I don't need a rear seat either, and have a Tuffy security deck enclosure, which I do like, so I am not certain how the "bed" portion of the half top would fit over that. The enclosure is fairly tall. I'm waiting on the sun bonnet now, will give that a try. Looks like a good option without having to use the Bestop bolt on channel. I also like those fender flares. Nice looking Jeep, overall.
Thank you......IF the security box is not more than an inch higher than the sides of the tub IMO it would work.....my halftop and duster both sag a little if I don't keep them pulled tight...I am gonna fix that one of these days.....you know the saying .....never done!!
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My BesTop bikini AND safari both fit like that...Ticks me off since on the safari the velcro at the corner ripped off the first time I tried to install it and get rid of the opening at the corner to keep water out and pull it tighter in the channel.

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