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Old 01-02-2009, 08:49 AM   #1
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bfg or goodyear?

hey yall, time for new tires...., im gonna go with 33x12.50x15, but i just cant decide between bfg m/t or goodyear wrangler m/t's, the bfg's are just a little bit cheaper but not enough to base the decision on, any input?

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Old 01-02-2009, 09:00 AM   #2
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I have good life with the BFG's. Never tried the Goodyears.

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Bfg mt

I have ran the BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KMs on two different vehicles and they are great, plus you can expect a long life from them if you treat the right.

I also have found that the BFG Mud Terrain KM/2s are really coming down in price as well.. So far, guys who are running the KM/2s are very happy with them.. The BFG MT KM is a tried and true classic and it is hard to go wrong with that tire.

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Though I'm a huge fan of the Goodyear MT/R, I'd definitely go for the new BFG Mud Terrain KM2 over the Goodyear Mud Terrain. And I hope it's the just released KM2 version of the MT you're looking at and not the older KM version which has a much weaker cut-prone sidewall and less aggressive tread. I assume when you say Goodyear "M/T" you mean their Mud Terrain and not their MT/R which is a different tire.
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Very happy with my BFG...long wear, and great traction. Street manners aren't bad either.
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We've had over 60 inches of snow in the last month and the BFG muds on Amy's Wrangler have been amazing. The only thing that's stopped it was my burying it in the ditch and that was my fault.
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thanks guys, i got a quote today and it was 211 for the bf goodrich, shipped, balanced and mounted, how does that sound?
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I took the MTR's off my Rubicon as the front suspension cupped them pretty bad. I put BFG all terrains on and they still perform well and have plenty of tread after 38k miles on them. I have 37" MTRs on my Commando and they are really great on snow and rocks.
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thanks guys, i got a quote today and it was 211 for the bf goodrich, shipped, balanced and mounted, how does that sound?
Compared to what I just paid for some 33x10.5x15's Liberator AT's, that's less than half what I paid!!
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well, thats $211 per tire....
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:16 AM   #11
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i have run the mtrs for over two years lots of on off road mostly to get the kids to school. they wear quick if u do alot of on road driving i put 10000 on mine and they are half worn. the best tire i have run off road ever though,on road in the rain watch out they are slick
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:29 AM   #12
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BFG supports the off road community more than Goodyear.

MT/r's are junk in mud.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:06 AM   #13
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Choose Wisely

checking out this thread and i've notice a lot of mixed reveiws. i have a set of bf goodbitch mt's on my wrangler the older km ones. i also have a set of km2's on my rubicon. i have found that my best friend who has a the same lift as me in his with the goodyear mt/r's has slighty better traction in any crawling situation than i do on either set of my tires. i do better in the mud and run circle around them anyways cause if you don't break something you weren't trying hard enough. hahaha
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:08 PM   #14
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hey thanks a lot yall, im pretty sure i'll be going with the bfg's, and im gonna try and get the km-2's. thanks again
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i have the new tread pattern bfg km2. I love them so far. havent tried them offroad yet. but my friend has them on his z71 and they are pretty good as long as you keep the tread clean out. i got mine from 4 wheel parts. 32.11.50 for $172 shipped unmounted. I dont have the rubicon tread obviously because they dont sell that at 4wheelparts.
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:52 PM   #17
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MTRs, oh wait I work for Goodyear. I have seen all of them tested, go with MTRs.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:04 PM   #18
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Recently I was a a tire store replacing one of my Goodyear MT/R's.

When Goodyear first came out with the MT/R's, they were easy to balance - they didn't need much weight. Since the Goodyear strike they seem to take an awful lot of weight, but you can still feel vibrations from them, like the quality is diminishing.

At the store a guy was putting on a set of the new KM2's. 2 of them didn't need any balance weights at all, the other 2 only needed a little.

The amount of weight needed to get my one MT/R's balanced was enough to balance a bunch of KM2's.

I've heard trailworthy the KM2's are as good if not better than the MT/R's.

My next set - KM2's.
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I have a set of BFG all terrains on my Jeep because they were so cheap. To get them balanced I had to put 12oz on one and all the rest of the tires took at least 8oz. I really wish I would have spent a little extra and bought the MTRs. I test tires for a living. I test large off the road tires so I don't get to test mud tires but I have seen the results. I really like the MTRs.
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Old 01-18-2009, 01:46 PM   #21
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If you are set on BFG/Goodyear, go BFG. The MTR's on my rubicon when i bought it wore down faster than any mud tire i've ever seen. Not to mention I had an MTR blow out on the highway. THAT was fun.

I'd take a look at Dick Cepeck. I've had the FCII's and now the Crushers. Both of them in 35's, and both were quiet on the highway and had plenty of treadlife. THe FCII's are not as aggressive in the mud, but my Crushers have good traction in the deep mud.
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If you are set on BFG/Goodyear, go BFG. The MTR's on my rubicon when i bought it wore down faster than any mud tire i've ever seen. Not to mention I had an MTR blow out on the highway. THAT was fun.
You may have had a bad experience with your MT/Rs but that is no indication of their actual quality. They quickly earned an EXCELLENT reputation on the hardest-core trails imagineable, especially rock crawling trails where they resist cuts that would tear up most other tires. We do some of the hardest grade 5 and 5+ rated trails in the US with MT/Rs and they are universally accepted at that level as a very good choice. The MT/R gave BFG MT a knockout punch on the rock crawling trails until BFG came back with their superb Krawler.

The biggest issue with the MT/R that comes on the Rubicon is that due to the Rubicon's 16" wheel size, the MT/R is only available in a D Load Range which is much stiffer and rougher riding, and not as good on tough trails as a C Load Range MT/R is due to the D range's extra stiffness. With the right load range, which is Load Range C for a vehicle the weight of a Wrangler, it's actually a good riding, long wearing, and relatively quiet tire too. It only starts getting a bit noisier once it has a lot of miles on it as mine have begun in the past 5K miles or so.

Don't let one personal experience sour you on the entire line of MT/R tires, they are extremely (!) well respected and one of the most popular/rugged/aggressive/cut resistant tires suitable for nearly everything up to and including the most extreme trails. I'd only consider the BFG Krawler as a worthy replacement but unfortunately, it is also a lot more expensive to buy than the MT/R is.

The new BFG MT KM2 may be a worthy competitor to the MT/R, we'll see as time goes on
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Old 01-18-2009, 05:26 PM   #23
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I went with the BFG's and have been VERY happy with them... I was over at a GY store not long ago having my wife's Grand Cherokee worked on, I took a few minutes to look at the Goodyear knockoff of the BFG AT/TA's and was pretty impressed with them...

Anyone bought them in the aftermarket and have any comments on one versus the other?
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pricing doesn't seem that big of a difference between the KM2's and the MT/R's, so out of everything I have read on this thread, which one is better for the environment that I am living in? We hardly see mud, but a hell of alot of rocks and cactus
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For sharp rocks, MT/Rs are well proven to be very cut resistant. In fact, it was the MT/R's traction in rocks and its ability to resist being cut by sharp SOCAL rocks that caused it to be an immediate success and nearly completely edge out the old BFG MT KM.

The KM2 was brought out by BFG to combat the MT/R after it lost most of its rock crawling market share so it's probably going to be at least as good... but the MT/R is already known to be good at resisting being cut or damaged and the KM2 isn't there yet since it hasn't been out long enough yet. You kind of have to either go with what's proven or bet on the unknown which where the KM2 is concerned, looks promising but it's not been tested that much yet.
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BGFs, I love them, and I do a lot of road driving
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BGF's for life. can't wait to get a new set of km2's on my tj. tax time is coming. hehehe
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The biggest issue with the MT/R that comes on the Rubicon is that due to the Rubicon's 16" wheel size, the MT/R is only available in a D Load Range which is much stiffer and rougher riding, and not as good on tough trails as a C Load Range MT/R is due to the D range's extra stiffness. With the right load range, which is Load Range C for a vehicle the weight of a Wrangler, it's actually a good riding, long wearing, and relatively quiet tire too. It only starts getting a bit noisier once it has a lot of miles on it as mine have begun in the past 5K miles or so.
Sorry Jerry, looking at the sidewalls of my MT/R's,I see a load range E.
But I agree that, heavy of a rating is too much for the weight class of the
Wrangler. I would love to see them available in aC range!!
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thanks for all yalls input. i went yesterday and ordered a new set of bfg m/t km2. im pretty stoked to see how they do, i'll let yall know what i think of them when i get them and get a chance to see how they do in va mud

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