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Old 10-08-2012, 10:03 PM   #121
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[QUOTE=A_Jeeper;2816479](f) Doors.A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with doors of a type used as original equipment. The doors shall open and close securely unless the vehicle has been manufactured or modified to the extent that there is no roof or side. Tailgates, except on vehicles where the tailgate gives access to the passenger compartment, may be replaced with wood planking, nets or other material that will prevent loss of load. Tailgates may be removed when optional equipment, for example a truck camper, is added.


So what kind of vehicle IS specified under this subchapter....That's my question!

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Greenhead, I would sure like to know where that officer hangs out, I would like to avoid him as much as possible! I am from the Pittsburgh area.

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I interpret it to mean that if a vehicle has no roof or side it does not need doors. And seeing as a wrangler has tops not roofs, I feel that you can drive with no doors on it. Especially since it was manufactured without a roof and is made to take the doors and top off and directions are given in the owners manual.
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Why don't motorcycles need doors and seat belts? Wtf.
That always pissed me off. In NY I got a $150 seatbelt ticket years ago. I'm driving a car surrounded by steel and crumple zones and fully padded inside, yet it's mandatory that I wear a seatbelt. But two wheeled death machines are legal. No protection from anything, power ratio is probably 10x the average car, and all they need is a helmet(I guess so the family can have an open casket after scraping the driver off the pavement). I don't get it.

No offense intended to any bikers on the forum. But you got to admit, it's odd that the nanny government still allows them with the inherent danger they pose.
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So what kind of vehicle IS specified under this subchapter....That's my question!

Subchapter 175.61 specifies vehicles covered:
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175.61. Application of subchapter.
Equipment standards set forth in this subchapter apply to passenger cars and
light trucks driven on highways.
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"Passenger car." A motor vehicle, except a motorcycle, designed primarily for the transportation of persons and designed for carrying no more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and primarily used for the transportation of persons. The term includes motor vehicles which are designed with seats that may be readily removed and reinstalled, but does not include such vehicles if used primarily for the transportation of property.
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Sorry to hear about the "No Doors" violation. You can always have fun with it, by making yourself a couple of clear doors from Plexi Glass...maybe that's pushin' it.

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Been to both, Cali won me on beaches (only because I didn't go see Texas beaches) other than that, Texas wins between the 2, overall it's Alaska then Colorado THEN texas
Colorado is where it's at! I've been all over this wonderful nation and I have and will always call Colorado my home. 4 seasons to offer a different test to our beloved Jeeps.

I think that this has been blown out of proportion. LE is a job that offers little compensation but has a lot risk involved. There are "bad apples" in every type of job because there are "bad apples" in the human race. The officer was doing his job warned and then cited seems fair, I don't agree with the law. I have to follow rules at work that I don't agree with everyday. If it is more important that the law is corrected do something about it or move to somewhere where it doesn't exist.
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I can just see it now, some d*** outlawing jeeps because of this.. even though they prove to be safer then some other vehicles.

...I have yet to see anything about the wrangler being safe...actually the safety ratings are for Sh!*
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...I have yet to see anything about the wrangler being safe...actually the safety ratings are for Sh!*
Maybe airbag wise it's bad, but I witnessed an accident in which the Infiniti was absolutely shattered and the jk only had a dent in the bumper. Both drivers were fine thank god. I think the overall structure of the jeep makes it safe, where the metal is positioned.
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...I have yet to see anything about the wrangler being safe...actually the safety ratings are for Sh!*
wranglers also score a 17/100 on the consumer reports scale. Guess they are the worst cars in existance.
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Maybe airbag wise it's bad, but I witnessed an accident in which the Infiniti was absolutely shattered and the jk only had a dent in the bumper. Both drivers were fine thank god. I think the overall structure of the jeep makes it safe, where the metal is positioned.
I agree with that looing at it you think it should be a pretty safe vehicle..... the problems that Jeeps have is the back seat passangers heads will be hitting the door metal....my daughter has a car/booster seat that is good up to 100 lbs and offers side and rear head protection only way I could still get it!!! thankfully she like sitting in it as she sits up higher and can see everything
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I agree with that looing at it you think it should be a pretty safe vehicle..... the problems that Jeeps have is the back seat passangers heads will be hitting the door metal....my daughter has a car/booster seat that is good up to 100 lbs and offers side and rear head protection only way I could still get it!!! thankfully she like sitting in it as she sits up higher and can see everything
If I had young kids, I would most certainly not put them in a jeep. That's when I would sacrifice and get "the armored car" (Volvo if you are still wondering)
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Maybe airbag wise it's bad, but I witnessed an accident in which the Infiniti was absolutely shattered and the jk only had a dent in the bumper. Both drivers were fine thank god. I think the overall structure of the jeep makes it safe, where the metal is positioned.
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If I had young kids, I would most certainly not put them in a jeep. That's when I would sacrifice and get "the armored car" (Volvo if you are still wondering)
but not in an infiniti either...

didn't you just say the jeep was safe?
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but not in an infiniti either...

didn't you just say the jeep was safe?
I think jeeps are safer than the credit they get, but they are most certainly not the safest vehicles on the road. Maybe the word "durable" is a better adjective rather than "safe"
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The only question I see that needs to be asked is do you still run without doors?
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Im glad you might be one of the few good ones. To bad most are not like you. Manny earn the term I used every day they strap on there gun, badge, and attitude. Didn't mean to offend but I hate cops in general with a sick twisted passion as most are bad, while having a high apprecition for those that do it right. My favorite teacher in HS was a full time teacher/part time police officer. Amazing guy. Right now my interaction count is at 5 good cops to dozens of ones who are less then addiquate human beings

You keep fighting for the good ones and I'll keep hating every day that the bad ones give you guys a bad name.
Regardless, all cops are still human beings and no matter how much of an asshat they can be, when it comes down to it those guys that strap on their badge gun and attitude every morning and put their lives in harms way to protect unappreciative people like you. Either way, you need to stop with the whole pig references.

As far as i'm concerned your the pig sitting your fat arse on your couch. I don't see you jumping out of your seat to go get shot at, protect and serve the public. Until that day comes please keep your snide remarks to yourself.
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I think jeeps are safer than the credit they get, but they are most certainly not the safest vehicles on the road. Maybe the word "durable" is a better adjective rather than "safe"
I think you hit the nail on the head. The jeep is "durable!"
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Regardless, all cops are still human beings and no matter how much of an asshat they can be, when it comes down to it those guys that strap on their badge gun and attitude every morning and put their lives in harms way to protect unappreciative people like you. Either way, you need to stop with the whole pig references.

As far as i'm concerned your the pig sitting your fat arse on your couch. I don't see you jumping out of your seat to go get shot at, protect and serve the public. Until that day comes please keep your snide remarks to yourself.
I dot want to make this a "I hate cops" convo but from my area very few cops go in harms way. They play big shot and only give out parking tickets and summons to kids on the beach after dark. A lot of my dads friends are cops. I here they're stories. Very few of them have ever had to use their gun. Maybe it's just my area, but cops are more of a nuisance than heros
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I'm just saying what's the difference. You can ride a motorcycle that has absolutely no protection, but can't drive a jeep with no doors. How does that make any sense. I'm tired of government trying to protect me. Especially with flawed logic.
I realize that this post is old, but I had to chime in ...

You want to talk about "flawed logic"?

There is something that you can legally give away for free, but if you try to sell it, you are breaking the law.

Anyone care to guess what this is?
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Maybe the PO should have mentioned that the mail trucks don't have to have doors. Neither do the UPS trucks.


Isn't this "selective law enforcement" if they choose only to target the jeep owners?

How many mail trucks or UPS trucks have they written citations for, for not having doors?
I think the reason that LEOs can't/won't write tickets for the mail trucks is because they don't want to go up against the government.

Our government fighting our government. That would be a wild courtroom scene.
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... I think that this has been blown out of proportion ... The officer was doing his job warned and then cited seems fair, I don't agree with the law. I have to follow rules at work that I don't agree with everyday ...
I agree.

Just because you may think that 55 mph is not fair, that doesn't give you the right to do 90.

Work to get the law changed.
Explain to the legislation why the law should be changed.
Wait for them to change the law.

Then do 90.

Back to the point ...
Work to change this dumb PA law.
Until then, abide with it, to avoid future fines.
Once the law has been changed, throw away the doors, and never look back.
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There is something that you can legally give away for free, but if you try to sell it, you are breaking the law.

Anyone care to guess what this is?
Leave your relatives out of this discussion!





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I agree.

Just because you may think that 55 mph is not fair, that doesn't give you the right to do 90.

Work to get the law changed.
Explain to the legislation why the law should be changed.
Wait for them to change the law.

Then do 90.

Back to the point ...
Work to change this dumb PA law.
Until then, abide with it, to avoid future fines.
Once the law has been changed, throw away the doors, and never look back.
Who cares if this is a law. If you get busted it is only a fine. No reason to be scared of minor infractions.
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I realize that this post is old, but I had to chime in ...

You want to talk about "flawed logic"?

There is something that you can legally give away for free, but if you try to sell it, you are breaking the law.

Anyone care to guess what this is?
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Hey...there's more good cops then bad ones, I am sure! Besides....WHO are ya gonna call...when your JEEP gets STOLEN?

'Nuff said.
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... WHO are ya gonna call...when your JEEP gets STOLEN? 'Nuff said.
Who ya gonna call?
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I realize that this post is old, but I had to chime in ...

You want to talk about "flawed logic"?

There is something that you can legally give away for free, but if you try to sell it, you are breaking the law.

Anyone care to guess what this is?
buzz!

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